Pajero Fieldmaster Vs. Patrol

[voltscastillo]

Narrowed down to Both 2003-2004 models, diesel, a/t. With or without 4x4 oks lang.

Ano kaya pinakasulit sa dalawa? FC or reliability issues that you know of? Ownership costs (ok lang kahit high basta reasonably reliable, i.e., di ako mastranded sa pagudpod kasi nasira lolz).

Car will be used as a daily driver. Drive ko sya until it falls to pieces kaya resale values not important.

Thoughts and opinions appreciated, gentlemen.

[Dr.Kamiya]

Early ZD30 engines not reliable. "Garantisabog", as some might say. Supposedly fixed in 04 production and later, so if you're going for a Patrol you should get 05 or newer to be on the safe side.

Some Australian satire mocking the ZD30:
How the Nissan Patrol ZD3 Engine became Most Wanted – Offroad News Australia

How to prevent ZD30 blowups:
ZD3- The Good-The Bad-The Issues (How To Help Your Turbo Engine)

Seems like the mode that leads to catrastrophic failure is massive boost spikes (from the link above):

6. If you are noticing boost pressure spikes over 20psi (up to 25psi is not uncommon), fit a boost limiting device such as a Dawes valve. These can be set so that the turbo can't boost over say 18psi...... This is a bandaid, not a cure, as there will be other issues causing the overboosting.

[voltscastillo]

Early ZD30 engines not reliable. "Garantisabog", as some might say. Supposedly fixed in 04 production and later, so if you're going for a Patrol 05 and newer would be consider safe.

Some Australian satire mocking the ZD30:
How the Nissan Patrol ZD3 Engine became Most Wanted – Offroad News Australia

Whoa. Interesting read! Thanks for that boss di ko alam yun ah. That explains the somewhat low prices

[yapoy86]

Pajero fieldmaster na..

[12vdc]

Kung pang matagalan at off-road, get the solid axles. May fix na sa ZD30 turboe problem.

[Dr.Kamiya]

Whoa. Interesting read! Thanks for that boss di ko alam yun ah. That explains the somewhat low prices

I edited my post to add a more useful link. More info lang on the failure modes and how to prevent them.

[GTi]

Narrowed down to Both 2003-2004 models, diesel, a/t. With or without 4x4 oks lang.

Ano kaya pinakasulit sa dalawa? FC or reliability issues that you know of? Ownership costs (ok lang kahit high basta reasonably reliable, i.e., di ako mastranded sa pagudpod kasi nasira lolz).

Car will be used as a daily driver. Drive ko sya until it falls to pieces kaya resale values not important.

Thoughts and opinions appreciated, gentlemen.

Pajero has no computer box. Very simple design, can be serviced without needing specialized equipment, lots of parts anywhere. Also less bulky than the Patrol, while still seating just as many people.

Ever considered the 90 series Prado?



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[benchph1]

Personal preference, Pajero Fieldmaster.

It has more presence.
It is more reliable because of its mechanical diesel injection.
Better resale value compared to Patrol of the same generation.

Some cons i can think of:

Slow.
Rear sliding windows are the security weakness.
Costs more than equivalent Patrol


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[voltscastillo]

Parang Pajero na nga lang... natakot ako dun sa exploding engine issue ng early 2000s model Patrol yun pa naman mga abot kayang models.

Wala pala ECU mga Pajero? I actually owned a 96 model nuon, yung may 4d56 and it gave me nothing but headaches. I wonder if ung 4m40 is the same. Hanggang ngayon nga mga Montero na naka 2.5 hindi ko tinitignan due to my bad memories sa 4d66 hehe.

Anything i should look out for sa mga 4m40 fieldmasters? I know yung 4d56 napuputulan ng timing belts parati at mausok pag neglected, how about the 4m40s?

[travajante]

Ever considered the 90 series Prado?
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^This.

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[voltscastillo]

Pajero has no computer box. Very simple design, can be serviced without needing specialized equipment, lots of parts anywhere. Also less bulky than the Patrol, while still seating just as many people.

Ever considered the 90 series Prado?



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The ones I see are V6 petrols. I'll give it a look-see din

[GTi]

The ones I see are V6 petrols. I'll give it a look-see din

Yes, the V6s are dirt cheap. Great if you don't mind the FC. The 1KZ however is a gem. I would even mind if it was a Japan surplus Prado. For as long as the steering rack was replaced with an LHD equivalent, it will drive just as well as a local unit.

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[travajante]

Yes, the V6s are dirt cheap. Great if you don't mind the FC. The 1KZ however is a gem. I would even mind if it was a Japan surplus Prado. For as long as the steering rack was replaced with an LHD equivalent, it will drive just as well as a local unit.

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[BlancNoir]

Personally, i'll take the Pajero FM over the Patrol.

It's more of a personal choice kasi the patrol is way better in terms of space, power, and road presence.

But if you want parts availability and cheaper maintenance cost, mas readily available ang parts ng Pajero.

[voltscastillo]

Yes, the V6s are dirt cheap. Great if you don't mind the FC. The 1KZ however is a gem. I would even mind if it was a Japan surplus Prado. For as long as the steering rack was replaced with an LHD equivalent, it will drive just as well as a local unit.

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I don't really mind the FCs, naka-ilang Cefiro na din ako and recently acquired a 3.0 V6 Tribute as a weekend plaything lol

Issue kasi si Kumander. She dislikes the FC of V6s, and we rarely use my personal cars for daily commuting. Right now we use the most boring car in the history of the world: a 2007 Altis. Plano ko sana idispatcha na yung Altis at palitan ng diesel SUV na may road presence naman so she feels extra safe pag sya lang mag isa. Happy wife, happy life ika-nga ni Matteo lolz. Kung ako lang titira ako ng Expy napaka-mura na lang at garantisadong low mileage.

Anyway, thanks for your responses, may mga tinitgnan nako na mga FM sa FB marketplace. Lalayo lang ng units. Maybe this weekend pasyal ako dun sa mga carshop sa EDSA.

[GTi]

I don't really mind the FCs, naka-ilang Cefiro na din ako and recently acquired a 3.0 V6 Tribute as a weekend plaything lol

Issue kasi si Kumander. She dislikes the FC of V6s, and we rarely use my personal cars for daily commuting. Right now we use the most boring car in the history of the world: a 2007 Altis. Plano ko sana idispatcha na yung Altis at palitan ng diesel SUV na may road presence naman so she feels extra safe pag sya lang mag isa. Happy wife, happy life ika-nga ni Matteo lolz. Kung ako lang titira ako ng Expy napaka-mura na lang at garantisadong low mileage.

Anyway, thanks for your responses, may mga tinitgnan nako na mga FM sa FB marketplace. Lalayo lang ng units. Maybe this weekend pasyal ako dun sa mga carshop sa EDSA.

We used to have a 2006 Tribute 2.3. Body and suspension were solidly built. Engine had decent power but gave me a dismal 4km/L city. Transmission was kinda stupid, especially when compared to the 2005 Accord we also had at the time.

We have a 1997 Granvia 3.0D. Same engine as the Prado. After the initial repairs that mostly had to do with substandard conversion like steering, front suspension and aircon, it turned out to have the cheapest maintenance cost among all the cars that we currently have, the next oldest being a good 10 years older. [emoji23] In terms of performance, can still keep pace with modern commonrails upto about 130, with absolutely no smoke belching. My father was more willing to sell the 2010 Carnival than let go of this one! [emoji1787]

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[yapoy86]

I don't really mind the FCs, naka-ilang Cefiro na din ako and recently acquired a 3.0 V6 Tribute as a weekend plaything lol

Issue kasi si Kumander. She dislikes the FC of V6s, and we rarely use my personal cars for daily commuting. Right now we use the most boring car in the history of the world: a 2007 Altis. Plano ko sana idispatcha na yung Altis at palitan ng diesel SUV na may road presence naman so she feels extra safe pag sya lang mag isa. Happy wife, happy life ika-nga ni Matteo lolz. Kung ako lang titira ako ng Expy napaka-mura na lang at garantisadong low mileage.

Anyway, thanks for your responses, may mga tinitgnan nako na mga FM sa FB marketplace. Lalayo lang ng units. Maybe this weekend pasyal ako dun sa mga carshop sa EDSA.

May car dealer here sa loob ng bf las pinas ( nasa house nya). may naka display sya 2 fm pajero tsaka may land cruiser prado.. looks like mga year 2000 model based on their plates

[Dr.Kamiya]

We used to have a 2006 Tribute 2.3. Body and suspension were solidly built. Engine had decent power but gave me a dismal 4km/L city. Transmission was kinda stupid, especially when compared to the 2005 Accord we also had at the time.

+1000!

We had basically the same car, a 2006 Escape 2.3. The transmission has a way of always being in the wrong gear, all the time. Like pag mag set off ka mataas masyado gear. Trying to speed up or overtake you give it more throttle, pero ang bagal ng kickdown, so the car will already have gotten some speed that a kickdown isn't necessary anymore, pero it's at that exact time that it will kick down and now you're revving almost at redline. Throttle is terrible too. Yung cable nya feels like a bungee cord where nothing happens when you step on it, so you have to step harder and all of a sudden all of that throttle gets dumped on you all at once.

Absolute piece of **** na minsan mas gusto ko pa mag lakad or mag commute rather than take the Escape. At least malamig aircon.

Sorry TS for the OT rant.

[voltscastillo]

We used to have a 2006 Tribute 2.3. Body and suspension were solidly built. Engine had decent power but gave me a dismal 4km/L city. Transmission was kinda stupid, especially when compared to the 2005 Accord we also had at the time.

We have a 1997 Granvia 3.0D. Same engine as the Prado. After the initial repairs that mostly had to do with substandard conversion like steering, front suspension and aircon, it turned out to have the cheapest maintenance cost among all the cars that we currently have, the next oldest being a good 10 years older. [emoji23] In terms of performance, can still keep pace with modern commonrails upto about 130, with absolutely no smoke belching. My father was more willing to sell the 2010 Carnival than let go of this one! [emoji1787]

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This is me. I'd rather gastos (invest?) now to ensure reliability than to suffer breaking down in the middle of nowhere. I got kids for chrissake... kawawa sila pag nastranded kami.

I get the same FC sa 3.0 Tribute ko, that's odd. I imagined the 2.3 getting Altis FCs, lol. Not so different after all pala. So much power I cruise at 130 * 1500RPM and the little car seems to be able to do it all day.

Kulang na lang dito 4wd eh, tsaka 3rd row jumpseats legit Pajero killer na sya.

[voltscastillo]

+1000!

We had basically the same car, a 2006 Escape 2.3. The transmission has a way of always being in the wrong gear, all the time. Like pag mag set off ka mataas masyado gear. Trying to speed up or overtake you give it more throttle, pero ang bagal ng kickdown, so the car will already have gotten some speed that a kickdown isn't necessary anymore, pero it's at that exact time that it will kick down and now you're revving almost at redline. Throttle is terrible too. Yung cable nya feels like a bungee cord where nothing happens when you step on it, so you have to step harder and all of a sudden all of that throttle gets dumped on you all at once.

Absolute piece of **** na minsan mas gusto ko pa mag lakad or mag commute rather than take the Escape. At least malamig aircon.

Sorry TS for the OT rant.

Typical Ford transmissions... clueless. Sa US daw they use it pa to tow boats (3.0 Duratecs), pero after 60K miles sabog tranny.