Car Sales Data (2021)

[ice15]

Here is Nissan PH’s per-model sales breakdown in 221 | VISOR PH

Navara – 9,882
Terra – 3,970
Urvan – 3,175
Almera – 2,237
Sylphy – 136
370Z – 70
Patrol – 57
X-Trail – 57
Leaf – 15
GT-R – 4

[ice15]

Here is Kia PH’s per-model sales breakdown in 2021 | Visor

Strong Stonic sales helped Kia PH reach a 76% YOY growth in 2021 | TopGear PH

[jut703]

A few tidbits that I found interesting:

1. Hyundai declined by another 40%, after already declining 50% last year. A far, far cry from Hyundai in the 2010s when they were 3rd.

2. Enthusiast sites that are famous on the internet aren’t so famous in real life. The CR-V outsold all Subarus combined, the Corolla Cross outsold all Mazdas combined.

3. Toyota has gained more share than any other brand at +3.7 share points. To be market leader and grow that much share is an impressive feat.

4. Volkswagen only sold 441 units, 1/3 of their 2017 number. I wonder if the move to China-produced models has improved their bottom-line, because it has clearly killed their top-line.

5. Mercedes was previously the market leader in the premium segment, but has now been overtaken by both BMW and Lexus. China-sourced new G20 3-series was a hit.

6. The PPV market is consolidating, over half of all PPVs are Fortuners (13k) vs Montero (4.2k), Terra (4k), Everest (1.8k), and MUX (1.1k).

7. Compact sedans are truly a dying breed. The Coolray (3.2k) has outsold all compacts combined - Civic (1.3k), Altis (706), Sylphy (136). No Mazda 3 numbers yet but for sure less than 500 units sold.


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[babkalakal]

A few tidbits that I found interesting:

1. Hyundai declined by another 40%, after already declining 50% last year. A far, far cry from Hyundai in the 2010s when they were 3rd.

2. Enthusiast sites that are famous on the internet aren’t so famous in real life. The CR-V outsold all Subarus combined, the Corolla Cross outsold all Mazdas combined.

3. Toyota has gained more share than any other brand at +3.7 share points. To be market leader and grow that much share is an impressive feat.

4. Volkswagen only sold 441 units, 1/3 of their 2017 number. I wonder if the move to China-produced models has improved their bottom-line, because it has clearly killed their top-line.

5. Mercedes was previously the market leader in the premium segment, but has now been overtaken by both BMW and Lexus. China-sourced new G20 3-series was a hit.

6. The PPV market is consolidating, over half of all PPVs are Fortuners (13k) vs Montero (4.2k), Terra (4k), Everest (1.8k), and MUX (1.1k).

7. Compact sedans are truly a dying breed. The Coolray (3.2k) has outsold all compacts combined - Civic (1.3k), Altis (706), Sylphy (136). No Mazda 3 numbers yet but for sure less than 500 units sold.


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nang hihinayang ako sa hyundai. they built up all the equity based on their value for money only to squander it away. i will guess this can be attributed to their pricing. maybe taxes or what not. they can pose themselves as a premium brand or euro alternative but clearly that hasn't been accepted by the buying public. also bukod sa mahal medyo long in the tooth na yung suv offerings nila.

as with subaru. enthusiast driven mainly and they are a small minority. it would be nice to see yung spread ng sales ng wrx/sti vs regular na impreza. as a corolla or civic alternative mauuna talaga bilhin ang honda at toyota just by brand recall. to the uninitiated yung impreza minsan natatanong "ano yan corolla?"

[ice15]

nang hihinayang ako sa hyundai. they built up all the equity based on their value for money only to squander it away. i will guess this can be attributed to their pricing. maybe taxes or what not. they can pose themselves as a premium brand or euro alternative but clearly that hasn't been accepted by the buying public. also bukod sa mahal medyo long in the tooth na yung suv offerings nila.

Hyundai PH 4th in CV sales in 2021 | Carmudi

[carxynogen]

Hyundai PH 4th in CV sales in 2021 | Carmudi

Hyundai units in US such as Santa Fe are appreciated as value for money compared to other competitor units.
Pero dito sa pinas, premium yung pricing, marami pang tinanggal na features compared to US units.

[ice15]

7. Compact sedans are truly a dying breed. The Coolray (3.2k) has outsold all compacts combined - Civic (1.3k), Altis (706), Sylphy (136). No Mazda 3 numbers yet but for sure less than 500 units sold.

I agree that the the Coolray (etc) outsold the Corolla (etc)

However you also have to consider that Compact Sedans are way more expensive compared to the Coolray/Territory/MG

(est) 300K diff is a considerable amount of cash and technically the local Japanese brands only have the Rush, BR-V, Xpander Cross and XL-7 as direct competitors to the "Chinese Crossovers"

[jut703]

I agree that the the Coolray (etc) outsold the Corolla (etc)

However you also have to consider that Compact Sedans are way more expensive compared to the Coolray/Territory/MG

(est) 300K diff is a considerable amount of cash and technically the local Japanese brands only have the Rush, BR-V, Xpander Cross and XL-7 as direct competitors to the "Chinese Crossovers"

I view it differently - new gen compacts are now priced higher because they know they won’t have volume to drive bottomline so they’re working with higher margins with the assumption of lower sales anyway.

Even if they priced the new Civic at 1.15M vs 1.3M, they still wouldn’t move much units because the market has really shifted to crossovers. Might as well milk the remaining niche who still prefer sedans.

People will only buy sedans when they can’t afford higher cars. With the condition of our roads in the country, it’s an inevitable shift.


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[ice15]

People will only buy sedans when they can’t afford higher cars. With the condition of our roads in the country, it’s an inevitable shift.

hahaha... same point I have to people buying a Vios... they can't afford a Corolla, and the Wigo guys can't buy a Vios

Even if they priced the new Civic at 1.15M vs 1.3M, they still wouldn’t move much units because the market has really shifted to crossovers. Might as well milk the remaining niche who still prefer sedans.

sa akin naman... if they priced the Corolla and Civic around the 1M mark, that will complicate things with their TOTL City and Vios.

if you notice, I only looked at the 1.6M versions of the compact sedans, I think its not right to look at their entry level variants.

It would be nice if manufacturers could also provide a report of the breakdown of their sales per model.

NO sense comparing a Vios E/J/XE to a Coolray/Territory. Pero I would want to see how many Vios G and City RS/CVT were sold vs the Chinese Crossovers.

IMO, walang local competition si Coolray and Territory.

Kaya natawa ako kay Toyota when they released the Raize to compete with the Tigo, Stonic and Venue

[jut703]

hahaha... same point I have to people buying a Vios... they can't afford a Corolla, and the Wigo guys can't buy a Vios



sa akin naman... if they priced the Corolla and Civic around the 1M mark, that will complicate things with their TOTL City and Vios.

if you notice, I only looked at the 1.6M versions of the compact sedans, I think its not right to look at their entry level variants.

It would be nice if manufacturers could also provide a report of the breakdown of their sales per model.

NO sense comparing a Vios E/J/XE to a Coolray/Territory. Pero I would want to see how many Vios G and City RS/CVT were sold vs the Chinese Crossovers.

IMO, walang local competition si Coolray and Territory.

Kaya natawa ako kay Toyota when they released the Raize to compete with the Tigo, Stonic and Venue

The way I see it, the default options per price point:

600-700k: Wigo, Mirage G4
700k-1M: Vios, City, Raize
1M-1.2M: Rush, Xpander, Territory, Coolray
1.3M-1.6M: Pickups, Innova
1.5M-2M: PPV

Niche cars nalang compact sedans (Civic/Altis) and Japanese compact crossovers (CRV, XV, CX5).


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[_Cathy_]

People will only buy sedans when they can’t afford higher cars. With the condition of our roads in the country, it’s an inevitable shift.


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Common na ba all SUVs ang auto? My Dad kasi, he has a car for different "needs" for example there is a van, pick up/suv, compact and midsize etc. I get the compact Basta the minimum I would drive is a 1.6 compact, I refuse to drive anything smaller. But then again, if budget wasn't an issue I want a bigger vehicle

hahaha... same point I have to people buying a Vios... they can't afford a Corolla, and the Wigo guys can't buy a Vios

bakit naman si dr d may corolla and wigo There was a time when I thought of getting a wigo but my Mom would not allow me. It's dangerous daw, I do agree especially when you do highway driving often, kasabay mo 10 wheelers

[jut703]

Common na ba all SUVs ang auto?

In our family yes, it’s going that way.

Last year we had 3 sedans, 2 crossovers. Right now we still have 2 sedans but will sell one soon. By next year we’ll only have 1 sedan left.

I personally love sedans but it’s just not as functional as a crossover or PPV, so one nice sedan in the garage is fine.


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[ice15]

bakit naman si dr d may corolla and wigo There was a time when I thought of getting a wigo but my Mom would not allow me.

there's always exemptions to the rule... my dad chose an Adventure even if he can afford basically anything he wants under 10M.

of the 35K buyers of the Vios last year, how many do you think considered the Corolla as an alternative?

[viper888]

The falling demand for sedans is not just a local trend, sales are falling in the USA as well. Personally, I still prefer sedans because they’re nicer to drive. I will probably reconsider that when I settle down.


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[yapoy86]

kasi most CUV drives like a sedan na.. kaya siguro nag shift ang buyers to CUV.. drives like a sedan.. pero may good ground clearance and more cabin space

[Egan101]

Kung libre lang naman, ok na ako sa sedan. My wife is hinting on getting a sedan for her next corporate car.

I am thinking of getting a sedan for my toy/project car. Driving it on weekends or some spirited runs. I need one with a potent engine - a turbo 4-banger or a big NA V6.


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[jut703]

Kung libre lang naman, ok na ako sa sedan. My wife is hinting on getting a sedan for her next corporate car.

I am thinking of getting a sedan for my toy/project car. Driving it on weekends or some spirited runs. I need one with a potent engine - a turbo 4-banger or a big NA V6.


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I have an NA V6 to suggest to you [emoji48][emoji48][emoji48]


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[Egan101]

I have an NA V6 to suggest to you [emoji48][emoji48][emoji48]


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Oo na! I’d want one too but out of reach for the mean time. I am more looking at a Legacy GT.


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[jut703]

Oo na! I’d want one too but out of reach for the mean time. I am more looking at a Legacy GT.


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I love the LGT, especially the wagon.

The LGT, Accord V6, and Camry V6 are the cheapest used car options to get 250 hp stock. Though I feel it won’t be much of an upgrade vs your FXT since the FXT is so potent already.


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[Egan101]

I love the LGT, especially the wagon.

The LGT, Accord V6, and Camry V6 are the cheapest used car options to get 250 hp stock. Though I feel it won’t be much of an upgrade vs your FXT since the FXT is so potent already.


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The good thing about the Legacy GT is that you can tune it to similar output as the WRX STi or even more. The EJ25 can be tuned up to around 400hp when paired with the 5AT tranny.

The FXT you can only tune to the limits of its CVT tranny (400Nm) or up to the output of the WRX S4 (FA20, 296hp/400Nm). That’s more than enough power for a daily drive CUV.


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