Targa and Crystal

[ineedmorehp]

Went to Megamall to check Targa and they also offered me Crystal Audio. I saw lots of thread saying Targa is bang for the buck. Here goes:

Crystal

CXE (200W) - Php 6,000
Bizark Amp (800W) Php 18,000
Amp Kit Gauge 4 - Php 1,600
CMP x 12 (Subs) - Php 15,000
Holder blah blah - Php 600
TOTAL - 41,200

Targa

Targa Sub 12" - Php 2,600
F4100 AMp - Php 9,100 (SALE: Php 6,500)
MX 259 (5", 120W, 2-way) - Php 900
X 653 (6.5", 150W, 3-way) P1,200

Anu masasabi nyo?

Eto sabi sakin:

No need to amp the rear, surround naman yun (same concept home theater). I find it logical, even my surround isnt that powerful...
Rear speakers can be directed to HU
For the Crystal setup, Fenton will do but Bazark is better
May single/dual coil pa silang mentioned, 4 and 8 ohms

I'll edit this post if i remember other stuff he mentioned.

[ILuvDetailing]

IMO, scrap the rear speakers, get a good pair of separates up front, a four channel amplifier, a good SVC or DVC (DVC prefered). Rear speakers are really optional since the highs and mids will come up front and the lows will come from the subs. Rear fills will supplement the subs.

Crystal or Targa?
For me its a matter of budget, if you have money to burn go get the crystal Subs and separates, as for the amplifier I suggest you get a 2nd hand, for me its the best bang for the buck, you can search kotseaudioclub.com, dami dun nagbebenta ng 2nd hand audio parts....

Amp kit for 1600??? Bili ka nalang sa Raon, but am not sure if they have a 4-Gauge wire. Try looking for that in banawe or araneta

[ineedmorehp]

IMO, scrap the rear speakers, get a good pair of separates up front, a four channel amplifier, a good SVC or DVC (DVC prefered). Rear speakers are really optional since the highs and mids will come up front and the lows will come from the subs. Rear fills will supplement the subs.

Crystal or Targa?
For me its a matter of budget, if you have money to burn go get the crystal Subs and separates, as for the amplifier I suggest you get a 2nd hand, for me its the best bang for the buck, you can search kotseaudioclub.com, dami dun nagbebenta ng 2nd hand audio parts....

Amp kit for 1600??? Bili ka nalang sa Raon, but am not sure if they have a 4-Gauge wire. Try looking for that in banawe or araneta

For sure i will not go wrong with expensive setup of Crystal but how about Targa?

For AMP, i've read a thread here regarding Alpine V12 (fake) and Fenton 4100. What do you think is better option? Pwera sa Alpine V12 fake and F4100, meron pa bang ibang ok?

Meron akong nakakabit na 6x9 na Pioneer sa likod... nu gagawin ko dun?

And also i want a decent space in my trunk? What should be the proper way to do it w/o sacrificing the quality? I also don't know what is ported and sealed enclosures.

For the Amp Kit, does that include Engine compartment grounding like those Hyper ground kit and alike?

How about crossovers?

[ILuvDetailing]

Targa is not bad for budget setups, but Crystal sounds better for me, it also depends on the tuning.

I'd go with the V12, specially with the newer models comming out with good enough power to provide some ommphh... but if you can source a 2nd hand amp like an alpine, mtx, infinity, etc. that would be better...

Check the amp kit. It should have a pair of RCA, ground wire, power cable, terminals, remote wire, fuse, fuse holder. you can use the your 6 x 9s if you can tune it so that only lows will come out much better.

if your concerned about space go sealed.

newer amplifiers already have built in crossovers... some older model amps don't you have to check this when buying a 2nd hand amp... do a searc here, it has been discussed many times.

[ineedmorehp]

Targa is not bad for budget setups, but Crystal sounds better for me, it also depends on the tuning.

I'd go with the V12, specially with the newer models comming out with good enough power to provide some ommphh... but if you can source a 2nd hand amp like an alpine, mtx, infinity, etc. that would be better...

Check the amp kit. It should have a pair of RCA, ground wire, power cable, terminals, remote wire, fuse, fuse holder. you can use the your 6 x 9s if you can tune it so that only lows will come out much better.

if your concerned about space go sealed.

newer amplifiers already have built in crossovers... some older model amps don't you have to check this when buying a 2nd hand amp... do a searc here, it has been discussed many times.

Can I achieve both SQ and SP at the same time or atleast balance both?

I asked the person there regarding Targa - Japan tech, made in Philippines, components are from China... So Targa is ok?

Regarding the amp, so using fake Alpine V12 is ok? CHoices as per your advice: V12 or F4100? Panget ba yun Fenton, base on your exp.?

What do ineed to check when buying 2nd-hand amp? 1KW ok na yuN?

What's the difference between sealed and ported aside from space consumption? How about sound quality? Where should it be placed? SHould it be facing front (papuntang driver), back (palabas ng trunk), or a specific angle?

Meron pa sinasabi sakin gapang paloob or palabas, what's that?

Btw, thanks for ur tips hehehe

[OTEP]

I ditched my rear speakers na din for the Pajero. For the Benz, the rears are powered by the HU and provide some rear fill.

I'm running a 12" SVC on the Paj, a 10" SVC on the Benz. Both are powered by 'fake' Alpine V12 MRV-705's.

I suggest visiting Jeff Tan's shop along Araneta Ave. if you are a bit budget conscious.

If space is a concern, stick to a 10" sub as it requires a smaller sub. If you need more boom, go with a ported box. I got mine at Jeff's for Php 1,800.00 including the quick release connectors.

[ineedmorehp]

I ditched my rear speakers na din for the Pajero. For the Benz, the rears are powered by the HU and provide some rear fill.

I'm running a 12" SVC on the Paj, a 10" SVC on the Benz. Both are powered by 'fake' Alpine V12 MRV-705's.

I suggest visiting Jeff Tan's shop along Araneta Ave. if you are a bit budget conscious.

If space is a concern, stick to a 10" sub as it requires a smaller sub. If you need more boom, go with a ported box. I got mine at Jeff's for Php 1,800.00 including the quick release connectors.

Tnx!

Follow-up questions:

1.) What's SVC? 10" sub, d bako mabitin nun? And besides they have 8, 12, and 15s. How much is the fake Alpine V12s? Sabi sakin friend ko, check daw amp dahil namamatay pag naginit.

2.) I'm still confused kung anu and para san ang sealed and ported box. Meron pa akong nakikitang ABC box na dun daw maganda ilagay targa subs...

Lastly, Targa din ba gamit mo? THankss!

[ssaloon]

it depends on what type of music and what kind of setup habol mo. for me, adequate na ang 10" sub for the low frequencies in my type of music (R&B/hiphop/alternative). sealed boxes have a wider range of frequencies na kaya, ported naman maganda at certain frequencies but not as flexible as sealed.

[bongliza]

I ditched my rear speakers na din for the Pajero. For the Benz, the rears are powered by the HU and provide some rear fill.

I'm running a 12" SVC on the Paj, a 10" SVC on the Benz. Both are powered by 'fake' Alpine V12 MRV-705's.

I suggest visiting Jeff Tan's shop along Araneta Ave. if you are a bit budget conscious.

If space is a concern, stick to a 10" sub as it requires a smaller sub. If you need more boom, go with a ported box. I got mine at Jeff's for Php 1,800.00 including the quick release connectors.

bro Otep, how to get to JEFF Tan shop from SLEX? Thanks.

[ineedmorehp]

bro Otep, how to get to JEFF Tan shop from SLEX? Thanks.

Tsong, sagutin ko na kung pano ah. From SLEX punta ka Edsa northbound. From EDSA u-turn ka sa Quezon Ave. ilalim flyover. Pag u-turn mo kanan ka sa Quezon Ave. From Quezon ave. pag nakita mo Honda, Toyota, Mazda (ata) and La Legende (buhay pa ba 'to) kanan ka sa unang kanto Araneta Ave na yan. Kaso sa kabilang side ata so u-turn ka ulit...

it depends on what type of music and what kind of setup habol mo. for me, adequate na ang 10" sub for the low frequencies in my type of music (R&B/hiphop/alternative). sealed boxes have a wider range of frequencies na kaya, ported naman maganda at certain frequencies but not as flexible as sealed.

My music - different genre, as long as pleasant to ears. Gusto ko din d masyado i consume na space sa auto ko, btw ESi... What about ABC box, sab nila dun daw maganda tumunog ang Targa... d ko naman lam kung anu yun..,

[ILuvDetailing]

ported box will provide you with more "gapang" and more bass but at the expense of sound quality, you won't hear the full range of the low frequency.

a sealed box will give you a better sound quality at the expense of some loss of "bayo" or "gapang".

Why don't you audition setups with ported and sealed boxes so that you will know the difference. In the end its your ears that will decide.

I had the V12 MRV F705, for me medyo mahina siya, if your going the V12 route buy the newer model amp which will provide you with more power thus better sound quality.

Ok targa but crystal is better... for me.

It is hard to combine both SP and SQL but it can be achieved depending on who makes your box and the components you will use

[ineedmorehp]

ported box will provide you with more "gapang" and more bass but at the expense of sound quality, you won't hear the full range of the low frequency.

a sealed box will give you a better sound quality at the expense of some loss of "bayo" or "gapang".

Why don't you audition setups with ported and sealed boxes so that you will know the difference. In the end its your ears that will decide.

I had the V12 MRV F705, for me medyo mahina siya, if your going the V12 route buy the newer model amp which will provide you with more power thus better sound quality.

Ok targa but crystal is better... for me.

It is hard to combine both SP and SQL but it can be achieved depending on who makes your box and the components you will use

Gapang. Iba alam ko hehe.. may sinaba sakin meron daw paloob and palabas? what's that?

V12 na mentioned mo, fake option din will do? How about Fenton 4100s?

Crystal lang ba talga brand nya? I tried crystalaudio.com kaso puro home entertainemnt wala sa oto. or ibang crystal 'to?

[ILuvDetailing]

Its Crystal Mobile Audio.

You can call it "fake". Its a china made, imitating the V12 series of Alpine.

Di ko magets yung panloob at panlabas... can you elaborate?

[ineedmorehp]

Its Crystal Mobile Audio.

You can call it "fake". Its a china made, imitating the V12 series of Alpine.

Di ko magets yung panloob at panlabas... can you elaborate?

Btw, how about the price they gave me, is it reasonable or expensive?

They asked my anung gusto ko gapang palabas or paloob. Hehe... d ko gets yun.

Then I checked another forum and their setup. Basically eto ang choice nila na Targa:

seps:
x652c
x502c
x series
x402
6x9 front
6" mid

subs:
x120 ported
x120 sealed

What do you think?

So nde talaga sya fake? Ibang brand pero copy ng V12s? How about Fenton, ayz na ba yun for all-out Targa + my 6x9 Pioneer rear?

[ILuvDetailing]

get the seps, skip the mids and 6x9s. You have to audition first before you buy, I can't stress this enough, its your ears that will decide. I have a pair of crystal seps (CPE60) and I'm pretty happy about it. My friend has a 10" Crystal Sub (CME10 - I'll verify first) and it sounds good and is being powered by a V12 715 amplifier.

It boils down if you want a very loud sound system or a crysp and clear but not so loud sound system. Pick one, if you want to have both you will spend a lot of money.

[ineedmorehp]

I want clear and crisp voice and instrument quality w/ a punch. :D

Eto pa, sorry ha daming ?? Hehe. May nakita ko dito na 6x9 sa harap...

So basically front muna, subs, box, amps. Tama. Budget is 25K max. Budget pero quality.

[ILuvDetailing]

If you have seps skip the 6 x 9s. A Coaxial speaker will do for the rear fill.

Like I said audition first before you decide... attend ka ng mga EB sa KAC

[ineedmorehp]

I think im going to leave my Pioneer 6x9 as is. My plan is to change the front seps + applicable amp, sub(s) + applicable amp based on suggestions i got.

I'm narrowing my choices between Targa, Crystal, and combination of both. I don't have that luxury of time to attend EBs as of this moment. Huhuhu

Hirap naman ng sound setup ng oto, daming kelangan malaman, i consider and lalagyan ng sub... buti pa sound setup ng pang bahay.. hehhe