Lowering Springs... what would you recommend?

[Supierreman]

What are your comments on these springs:


1. H&R Stage 2 Sport
2. Eibach prokit
3. Neuspeed Green
4. Neuspeed Black Soft sport (1" drop lang ata pero read from websites na soft ride sya)
5. B+G (made in sweden na springs available at speedmode)


If ever I will buy lowering springs what would you suggest? Actually what I’m really after is just a suitable drop but not way too low. I also prefer a ride that as much as possible would be as comfortable as stock.


Post naman kayo peeps kung ano gamit nyo lowering springs and ano review nyo dun.

Suspension gurus appreciate it too if you will reply.

[ghosthunter]

Eibach has one of the best reputation around. The Eibach Pro Kit will lower your car too much and the ride will be stiffer. The Eibach Sport kit might be the better choice. The ride will be stiff than stock but will work well with stock shocks.

[e46boi]

Hey Supierreman,

Out of the springs you mentioned, H&R and Eibach are both popular and reputable spring makers.

Lowering is a little tricky; you need to get it right when you do it the first time, or else it'll cost time, money and effort to correct your mistakes.

Quick rule of thumb is, a drop of less than 1.5" to 1.75", not too much of a big deal. A drop of more than 1.5" to 1.75", you alter enough of the suspension geometry of the car that factory suspension travel (everyday driveability of the car) and factory alignment settings (especially camber and its effects on the tires) will have to be considered (could potentially mean additional costs to you!)

In any case, a lot of people opt to get just lowering springs for their cars without thinking about their shocks. Getting shorter springs means increased spring rates. The higher (more aggressive) spring rates will, for most cases, not match your shock rates. Meaning your shock life will decrease, and you'll have to get replacements sooner than if you had stayed with the stock springs. If you are concerned about ride quality, especially over time, this will most certainly degrade every time you drive your car.

Which is why I recommend you obtain aftermarket shocks as well, especially if you are very concerned about ride quality. In the long run, it'll save you money to get both shocks and springs done at the same time! I recommend you look into this as well.

I believe the Eibach pro-kit for most Hondas have less drop vs. the H&R set (although I'm not 100% sure on this one cause ghosthunter thinks otherwise).

[coolrolla]

i'm using tanabe presedeo lowering springs 2" drop....ok sha di mo mararamdaman yung mga small bumps sa road...the fact na 2" na drop nya... :P :P :P :P

im using 17" rims eh...so medjo matagtag ng konti...im using stock shocks lang....i dunno the feeling na naka 15" rims....siguro mas malambot.... :oops: :oops:

but all in all ok tanabe worth the price.....wag lang putol.... :evil:

[GTSboy]

eibach is by far the best name in lowering springs, just get the pro-kit if ever because the sportline series will drop your car 2" or more

[Supierreman]

Thanks for the inputs guys. Keep em commin'. Anyone knows where I can get the Eibachs? Post the price of the Eibachs na rin if anyone got them.

[Litespeed]

I do have a H&R Sport spring suspensions. Here's my take on these. Vast improvement in looks and noticeable increased in handling! It drops only about 1.2 inches. I'm not looking to appear in LOWRIDER MAGAZINE so it was subtle and perfect for me. The rear is lowered by fooling the air bags with a special bracket. Did not diminish the ride quality for me at all. If you're used to the Sport suspension then you'll feel right at home. The Sport Spring kit is a Stage 2 modification and offer a more styling appearance and increased stiffness of 25-30% than stock. Cornering is awesome. No rolling at all.

Now if you can afford it, get the ACS suspension: in a word AWESOME. IMO this is the best in the market out there. I cannot say in words how well it looks and rides. It really enhanced a great riding to a very sporty riding with little loss of ride. Now that the springs have settled it lowered exactly 2 3/8 inches.

Hope this helps. Good Luck.

[e46boi]

Litespeed,

ACS? Not familiar with the brand. And what have you lowered 2 3/8 inches? That's pretty low! Care to elaborate?

[empy]

I think ACS refers to AC Schnitzer? If so, they only sell parts for European cars. Not sure what car Supierreman has...

I have experience with both Eibach and H&R. Eibach is great for the stock-like ride and not too low a drop, as is the H&R sport setup (as Litespeed mentions). If you want the stuff 'slammed', there is also the H&R race setup which is really low. Also, kW Suspensions makes really good components.

Only issue is, those three manufacturers are probably in the high price ranges. But not as expensive as Schnitzer...:mrgreen:

[ghosthunter]

I thought the Eibach Pro kit is stiffer (and lower) than the Eiback Sport kit.

Could anyone confirm?

[Supierreman]

I read in the Eibach site that the prokit has a softer ride while the sportline is dropped lower and the ride is stiffer.

I read in other boards AER is the distributor here in the Philippines. Could anyone please post the exact adress and contact nos.?

[meleagant8]

suspension gurus....dun po sa list na binigay ni pierre ano po ung cheapest na okei ang performance?tsaka ano drop?

im planning on gettting a h&r springs....

[empy]

drop? it depends on what car you have. Here are some links for you - these are the best manufacturers IMO and all cost between USD 250 - 300. Sorry, medyo matagal na akong wala sa atin, so I don't know prices and availability there...

http://www.eibach.com/index1.htm

http://www.hrsprings.com

http://www.kwsuspensions.com

[Supierreman]

meleagant8,

i'm definitely not a suspension guru but i'll answer the question :mrgreen:

THe sprngs I listed gives you a 1.5 inch drop except for the Neuspeed soft sport and the Eibach prokit which is around .75 to 1" .

Have you tried e-mailing Auto_xer? I asked him about he H&R's and he has me convinced pero problem is the budget. If I can get Neuspeed Greens for 8t i'll go for Neuspeed

B+G is P8500 at speedmode. Soft daw ride nito close to stock.

[Alfalfameister]

If I'm not mistaken, H&R springs are 10k to 10.5k, whereas Neuspeed is, according to you, 8k.

I have nothing against Neuspeed, but I think for that small amount more, I'd go with the H&R (correctly shot peened, high quality, etc.).

H&R has a reputation of going racing already in Europe and elsewhere. Springs being very vital to the performance of your car, and Auto_Xer being there to actually help out, I'd make the additional investment getting H&Rs.

My two cents.

--Alf

[N3IL53N]

are there any lowering springs for vans? I plan to replace my stock springs.....my ride is a Toyota Liteace Van......:D

[meleagant8]

thanks sir M54 Powered, sir Supierreman, sir Alfalfameister!

babait nyo naman!

hmm....i think il save more na lang for a h&r springs...kaso the problems is if i change my shocks....lets say kyb...dagdag gastos...di ko kaya pagsabayin...student lang po ako eh...so isa isa lang kuha ko...

h&r tapos kyb shocks okei ba ride for a lancer el? tapos 195/55/15 na tires...

[Alfalfameister]

Hmmm... I don't have actual facts to back this up, but I would change shocks before springs, yet keeping mind what springs I'm planning to get.

If you change to lowering springs, your current shocks may or may not last long -- they'll be working extra hard because lowering springs need more damping (since they're stiffer), and will work those shocks more. Remember, if springs don't have dampers (i.e., the shock absorber), they will tend to oscillate. Stiffer springs will feel like they oscillate less, but probably actually just oscillate faster for us to notice (compared to stock springs anyway). Dampers (shock absorbers) transform the rebound energy of springs to thermal energy (heat), which is then dissipated in the oil/fluid and via convection (air exposure).

In other words, in more layman terms, you'll probably soon spend on shocks right after you change to lowering springs.

If you were to change the shocks first, however, Bilsteins and Konis are built to last. If you have the lowering springs in mind already, then get the appropriate shocks na first (even if you will be using it with the stock springs). If the Bilsteins or Konis can take what the lowering springs give 'em, then they sure can take what stock springs will give 'em.

The major drawbacks are two:

1. It's more expensive as far as initial cash outlay is concerned.
2. As far as looks are concerned, with performance shocks, you'll probably get lower by only half an inch or so....

However, if you think you'll get some money raining on you in the next six months or so (my estimate as to how long your current shocks will last with lowered springs), then it's okay to get the springs first, then the shocks next.

Mis dos centavos.

--Alf

[e46boi]

Exactly what I was saying Alfalfameister! I'm glad that you agree!

A lot of people seem to just want to do the springs without even thinking about shocks. I say, do the shocks the same time as springs. It'll save on labor, time and effort; especially in the long run.

I've had a lot of experience with Bilstein's, and IMO, they are one of the best brand of dampers available on the market today (price notwithstanding).

[meleagant8]

thanks for the explanation sire46boi and sir Alfalfameister,that was a very simple but clear explanation!

considering na luma na ung car bago mo siya ilowered...meaing luma na rin ung shocks so mas okei kung palitan mo na muna ung shocks noh?