maintenance of car w ziebart's diamond gloss sealant

[junjun]

hey detailing gurus here...help me...my car was treated with this ziebart formula...can i use the normal way of detailing cars or do i need different chemicals as compared to cars which are untreated? i hav my car washed weekly and glazed w eagle one wet wipe and shine, but a deeper shine will be better...thnx guys... :D :D :D :D :D :D

[theveed]

unfortunately, there's nothing you can do to improve depth and gloss to your polymer treated paint unless you strip the paint protection (polymer sealant) off the paint first. Whatever product you apply on your car right now will only adhere on the sealant layer, not the paint.

EO Wet wipe and shine is NOT a glaze, it's merely a quick detailing spray.

[Isko143]

Would you recommend this diamond gloss finish or paint protection thing from ziebart? I just got my 2k2 CRV and wanted a good paint protection sana. Thanks peeps.

[theveed]

haven't tried it so I can't say if ok sya...

I really don't see what the big diff is between paint protection systems over high end polymer sealant systems...

[Alfalfameister]

theveed is right in that the Diamond Gloss is like a sealant. That makes it perfect, IMO, for brand new cars, or freshly detailed cars.

I used to work for a car dealership, and I convinced a lot of my clients to go for the Ziebart Diamond Gloss.

I've personally seen it, and it even looks shinier than a brand new car! I put two Sport Tracs side by side (same color), one a brand new car, and the other (also brand new), treated with the Diamond Gloss. The one treated with Diamond Gloss looked shinier.

As a sealant, it does protect your car. A client of mine with a Black Lynx is very happy with it. Hardly any scratches after about a year.

I think the Diamond Gloss is perfect for the following:

1. People who are not as meticulous as theveed in detailing their cars. People like theveed can do without it and save their money because they love detailing their cars anyway.

2. People who have dark colored cars, esp. black.

As I'm not selling cars anymore, then what I say here has no ulterior motive. I'm pretty sure that other brands are probably as good (Value Guard, etc), but my experience with the Diamond Gloss of Ziebart is very positive.

--Alf

P.S. Oh, yeah, to answer the original question of how to clean/detail a car with diamond gloss: since you can't improve depth and gloss as theveed has mentioned, just use plain water/car shampoo. And dry it with a good chamois/lint free cloth. No need to wax.

[theveed]

Good points Alfa...

IMO, if you plan to spend on DG or other paint protection, have your car detailed first, remove all imperfections, swirls, etc... (even bnew cars have this coz of idiot casa carwashers) then seal it with a paint protection sealant.

[Isko143]

Do you know any other shops aside from Ziebart that can do paint protection (diamond gloss)? I've asked them already and it would cost P6,200 for the DG protection.

Name, Address & Contact info naman po.

Thanks.

[theveed]

Diamond Gloss is a registered trademark product of Ziebart.

[Isko143]

theveed,

I need some advise on my car, I just got the 2k2 CRV and I want to have the paint protected. Do you have suggestions? Like I was thinking of Ziebart's DG protection but it's too expensive, there might be a less expensive alternative.

I've read about Meguire's detailing - Is this thesame/similar to DG of Ziebart?

Sorry if I have many Q's - just new at this.

Thanks.

[theveed]

No it's not the same... paint protection is just another term for waxing and sealing... what paint protection is usually a polymer sealant that's sprayed onto the paint surface.

Your car is close to brand new, if you want to get it sealed, I still recommend you bring it to your nearest quality detailer for polishing to remove light swirls and other defects (sigurado meron yan) and ask them to skip the waxing. Then bring it to Ziebart for their paint protection.

I believe they have two products available, protect-a-shine and diamond gloss... The former being the cheaper one.

Don't quote me on its effectivity or claims as I have had no first hand experience with such type of paint protection.

After paint protection, theoretically, any minor swirls or defects that you may cause (from washing and drying) will be on the paint protective layer, and not the paint.

I believe that they (Ziebart) will tell you to come back 6 months or 12 months after for a reapplication. If you choose to do so, I would strongly suggest you bring it back to your detailer for polishing to remove oxidation or "remains" of the old sealant.

There's no magic pill in paint care to date, so any company giving claims to paint protection is still based on the same premise, ADDING A SACRIFICIAL LAYER TO THE PAINT. Same concept as wax, sealants and paint protectants.

Hope it's clear. Let me know what happens.No it's not the same... paint protection is just another term for waxing and sealing... what paint protection is usually a polymer sealant that's sprayed onto the paint surface.

[Isko143]

Sir theveed,

Can you recommend any prof. detailer? I'd prefer within QC area. Can't Ziebart do the detailing before applying the paint protection?

I've read about Meguiars, ok ba sila for detailing? Saan sila located...maraming salamat po!

Peace.

[theveed]

Meguiar's Kamias is one of the best out there (well, since most of the guys who run/own the place knows a lot about detailing)... That's one shop I don't mind recommending. Ziebart does detailing as well, but the 2x that I've seen them detail, they pretty much suck.

Meg Kamias is located in Kamias (of course), there's a full contact info in our Detailing Forum under TOOL SECTION.

[jackndabox29]

Share ko lng experience ko sa DG baka maka-help... I've used for year and kaka re-apply lng ulit mga 2 months ago... had it on a brand altis... Good thing about this product is laging makintab kahit may putik na car mo, wax is not needed anymore except kung umabot na ng mga 9 months coz parang effect ung coating...
By the way... ung 6,500 yata sa umpisa lng un... na next time na mag-pareapply ka is libre yata or half the prize... d ko lng kabisado perodepende yata sa pinag-usapan nyo coz i got the reapplication for half the prize... :lol: Hope this helps...

[theveed]

Good thing about this product is laging makintab kahit may putik na car mo, wax is not needed anymore except kung umabot na ng mga 9 months coz parang effect ung coating...
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Sorry to say, but this is a marketing ploy of protectants and even waxes... This is just not true. No synthetic or natural waxes or sealants can honestly provide good protection in our weather and conditions over 3 months or so without any maintenance. One reason why paint protection companies tell you to only wash with water is because they know that any solvent (shampoos) will speed up the wear on the sealant.

If you apply a cheap sealant like Simoniz (P250) and layer about 8-10 coats over your paint, it will last you at least 2-3 months without reapplying and it will still sheet/bead water very well and retain its glossiness... That's just the nature of cross-linking sealants...

For a casual user, gloss is very subjective, what's glossy for person A maybe dull for person B... I've seen a DG treated car first hand (my friend had a civic with DG) and no doubt, it is very glossy. Typical Klasse/Zaino like shink-wrap effect gloss... but I can clearly see that a lot of contaminants and scratches have already formed on the protective layer and some parts don't sheet/bead water as well as the rest (noticeably the hood, roof and trunk)... A clear sign of deterioration...

My point is... Do your math before you shop... For 6K a year, you can have your car detailed 3x or more with better results. You can even go less than that if you invest in a premium sealant like Klasse and Zaino (which will set you back around P5K a set shipping included) and the products you've bought will last you at least 2-3 years if you use it right.

Paint protection sealants are for "drive and forget" car owners... It's not a bad thing, but again, it's a tradeoff between quality versus convenience. It's not monumentally better than premium car care products, just less maintenance.

In the US, car dealers often offer these paint protection systems with brand new cars for an extra $300-500 a year (subsequent applicatoins peg at around $100/year)... Which is even a bigger joke... In the US, even a good carnauba would last 2-3 months under regular exposure to the elements, a sealant will last for about 6 months, meaning at most, you'll be re-waxing your car once every 2-3 months or seal 2-3x a year. The cost will be under $50...

If it was my money (and if I have a new car/newly painted car), I would spend 1-2K for a detail, then opt for Ziebart's lower cost paint protection (I think mga 3K lang sya first app)... Makes more sense to me...

That's my 2C though...

[Isko143]

Thanks Sir theveed,

I think I'll go with your suggestion on having my ride undergo prof. detailing before going to Ziebart for the paint protection. How often should I have my car detailed/sealed?

Learned alot from this thread.

More Power bro! Peace.

[theveed]

read the other thread about how often should I wax...

short answer: when necessary.

[TJMaxx]

Agree ako sa arguments mo Theveed 100%.
Six grand is a lot of money to spend on "paint protection"
that is just equivalent to regularly waxing your car.

With that kind of money, you can buy a good car polisher already
plus top of the line car care products. Ikaw na lang ang magpa-kintab
ng kotse mo....There is great satisfaction in detailing your car yourself...

[Alfalfameister]

I agree also with theveed, esp. on two points:

1. You will probably get more depth and shine if you have your car detailed 3x a year, or get the zaino thing and detail your car about 3x a year (with 2 years' worth of supply for about 5k, which is less than the diamond gloss).

2. For "drive and forget" guys, which are probably everyone else who does not post in this forum, the Diamond Gloss / Paint Protection of Ziebart, Value Gard, and others, are a BETTER choice.

In short, if you like detailing your car, do it yourself with the tips you get in this forum and from theveed's site. You'll do it better, and cheaper.

Analogy:

1. If you're not a computer guy, just buy yourself an HP or Dell or Compaq.

2. If you're a computer guy: buy your own components. You'll have a faster, more powerful system, and probably cheaper.

--Alf

[revoGSX]

nag-enquire ako sa ziebart kanina, 6200php po yung Diamond Gloss nila for our revo .. then yung yearly application eh 3100 na lang daw... nagdadalawang isip pa rin ako kung kukunin ko

1) DG sa ziebart na 6200php 1st time...then 3100 for 2nd year and above at california duster
2) magpapa-wax na lang na lang ako kay big berts mga 2x a year
3) bibili ng black and decker na orbital buffer sa ace hardware na mga worth 2500php ata at mga liquid wax ..

meron na kasi mga water stain yung sasakyan namin after 2 months na nilabas ng casa... den bumili ako ng turtle wax (liquid type na color light green) sa SM .. tinesting ko sa hood lang muna at nawala yung mga water mark.. naging makintab nga pero halatang na-wax naman ...bagong cloth gamit ko at di madiin sa pag wax ..

meron pa ba kayo masa-suggest na brand ng car wax na pwede ko i-try?

[Tom]

Here's the effect of Zeibart's DG protection on my Prado. Go to www.pbase.com/tbc111/deputy_toms_suvs

I had this service done 2 yrs ago and only 1 rebuff since then.