Detailing Thread [For Newbies][continued]

[madkatz]

mga sir, may shelf life ba ang mga wax/polish etc? to be more specific, yung SwirlX ko kasi kakabukas ko lang kahapon. mga ilang months narin yun sakin pero kahapon ko lang ginamit so kahapon ko lang naopen yung seal niya sa loob. i don't plan to use it often. mga ilang years pa kaya ang buhay nun na pwede ko pa siyang gamitin at effective parin?

Shelf life of polishes are very very long up to 5 years or more depending one the storage conditions, just keep it away from sunlight and preferably somewhere cool

[madkatz]

up ko lang po baka meron makatulong thanks ;)

Hello sorry for the late reply, i think i missed that post, was very busy lately, one thing you can do if the wax is easy to use it to apply it using linear motion not circular this way you can see the lines where the wax residue it, another thing you can do is apply it using circular motions overlapping by 50% and then once you're done with the panel then just go over it again to remove any wax build ups, this way you sort of polish it out already and you also get the huge build ups saving you more wax, another thing you can do it get a strong halogen flood light which we use to check for defects and residues

[madkatz]

*watusi: i haven't tried it yet, but it does look like the kind of permanent sealant type, but based in the ingredients on the MSDS sheets its pretty much like KSG, M-seal or Zaino or any acrylic and urethane based product, but i'll do a quick search and check on its reviews and if it looks good i might convince edwin to try it, heck its 100$ for a small bottle so its no joke for testing a product. i'll keep you posted on that

[Louie_18]

For me somtimes Nano Glos is better than NXT, sometimes NXT is better, but both are definitely better than EO, EO is better with silver colored cars because of the reflections it gives, for me if you already have Nano Glos and Nano Sliq just stick with it since the results don't differ that much, NXT is just a little easier to apply and with certain colors might give that darker look whereas with Nano Glos its much more compatible with light colored cars compared to NXT, so if you have Nano Glos and Sliq just stick with it, for a fraction of NXT's price and with very minimal different you can't go wrong

Thanks so much Ms. Madkatz

[Nik]

but beige is easier compared to silver

ay silver ba po kay dotnetmatt? i thought polished metal metallic yung sakanya kaya nasabi ko po na mas madali pakinisin yung kanya.. nakita ko po kasi 1.5E variant yung kanya..

if alabaster silver sir dotnetmatt yung color ng GM niyo.. ang GALING !!! grabe sa kinis !! great JOB..

[Nik]

oh yeah i forgot to mention that both Step 2 does contain ultra fine abrasives that might remove the sealant, i forgot to mention about the abrasive part i only remembered the fillers and oils, so yeah you would remove the sealant once you use Step 2

mam could this ultra fine abrasives remove the visible hair like swirls? para hindi na po ako mag swirlX or step1 (megs).. TIA !!

mag KAIO po ako after step2 so kakapit din po yung KSG? tama po ba? TIA

[watusi]

Haha 15 minute engine cleaning? im sure its not the thorough engine detailing we do since that takes us hours hahaha but still very nice and clean though

yup, it was a quick engine detail

I'll clean the other parts next time.

Master has an arsenal of tools! grabe! makes working a lot easier

[watusi]

*watusi: i haven't tried it yet, but it does look like the kind of permanent sealant type, but based in the ingredients on the MSDS sheets its pretty much like KSG, M-seal or Zaino or any acrylic and urethane based product, but i'll do a quick search and check on its reviews and if it looks good i might convince edwin to try it, heck its 100$ for a small bottle so its no joke for testing a product. i'll keep you posted on that

great thanks madkatz!

will you be needing a guinea pig to test it out, haha.

[watusi]

My car's paint became a bit dark because of road film. quick questions regarding road film.

1. if i don't remove road film from my paint, will it become permanent or will it cause permanent damage?
   
2. For removing road film, aside from QD, will clay be ok?
   
3. If I use clay or QD, will i strip the existing layer of wax or sealant?
   
4. will waxes or sealants offer protection form road film?

[madkatz]

mam could this ultra fine abrasives remove the visible hair like swirls? para hindi na po ako mag swirlX or step1 (megs).. TIA !!

mag KAIO po ako after step2 so kakapit din po yung KSG? tama po ba? TIA

Nope, it can only remove ultra fine scratches those as small as tiny cotton strands

[madkatz]

ay silver ba po kay dotnetmatt? i thought polished metal metallic yung sakanya kaya nasabi ko po na mas madali pakinisin yung kanya.. nakita ko po kasi 1.5E variant yung kanya..

if alabaster silver sir dotnetmatt yung color ng GM niyo.. ang GALING !!! grabe sa kinis !! great JOB..

i don't really know about its color but either way darker or lighter silver shades are still harder to improve its gloss compared to beige, beige colors can reflect more light than silver shades, beige colors are also easier to improve gloss

[madkatz]

great thanks madkatz!

will you be needing a guinea pig to test it out, haha.

Ok its confirmed!

im not buying the Toughguard crap! hahahaha

its the same as PPS Paint Sealant and 5star Paint sealant

its had some great reviews on some sites but mostly by people who doesn't really do any significant detail

its had a reputation of bad advertisement and with those few cases where people who have experience in detailing have used it they didn't really praise the product, bad in advertising because they have a reputation of paying people to post great reviews about it and defend it against attacks which are helplessly gutted out by regular enthusiasts and detailers

heres a scientific test done with it that showede nearly nothing done to the paint as in nothing really significant

http://www.carcaretech.com.tw/pdf/PPS_Ortech_test.pdf

here a sample if you read the whole forum where the sales manager first posted as a tester and then later admitted posting as a independent tester but is actually their sales manager

http://www.autopia.org/forum/car-det...ll-action.html

so case closed after doing a 2 hour research on it, im now convinced its another useless products with really bogus claims, better stick with those sealants that claim to last 1 month but really last more than sealants that claim to last forever but its gone with one wash, hammers down its a bogus product, even its other name 5star stated in their website its NASA technology but eventually can't show any NASA certificate but stated being NASA technology by simply using the same polymers which actually branches out to hundreds of different formulations

check it here

http://www.5starshine.com/

so bottomline its just a PTFE sealant, if its just PTFE sealant then just go for liquid glass legend which uses the same sealant, but the difference between liquid glass and the bogus sealant is that LG Legend requires 25 applications to achieve that result and doesn't make bogus claims, heck even OGE uses the same polymer family as PTFE, OGE's polymers belong to the same family as teflon thats why its very slick

[madkatz]

My car's paint became a bit dark because of road film. quick questions regarding road film.

1. if i don't remove road film from my paint, will it become permanent or will it cause permanent damage?
2. For removing road film, aside from QD, will clay be ok?
3. If I use clay or QD, will i strip the existing layer of wax or sealant?
4. will waxes or sealants offer protection form road film?

No

Not necessarily, depends on the amount of road film

QD will not, Claying will

It will make roadfilm easier to wash off if you used a very slick sealant

[rico_g]

saw this diagram from autogeek... i have some questions as to which product in my shelf would fit each stage...




I'm going through the moderate imperfections flow:

1. Wash
2. Clay
3. Wash
4. Swirl Remover - Swirl X
5. Finishing Polish - Nano Gloss??? ( i know not a polish, but a filler, or pwede ba to to use as glaze?)
6. Glaze - Moms Step 2???
7 Sealant - Carlack NSC and LLS
8. Wax (after 24 hours) Collinite 476s
9. Spray Wax - OCW
10. QD - Sliq or OGE


very doubtful about Steps 5 and 6... what are good products for these steps??? If ever NanoGloss does not fit any of these steps. when is the best time to apply it (in between which step?)

[watusi]

Ok its confirmed!

im not buying the Toughguard crap! hahahaha

its the same as PPS Paint Sealant and 5star Paint sealant

its had some great reviews on some sites but mostly by people who doesn't really do any significant detail

its had a reputation of bad advertisement and with those few cases where people who have experience in detailing have used it they didn't really praise the product, bad in advertising because they have a reputation of paying people to post great reviews about it and defend it against attacks which are helplessly gutted out by regular enthusiasts and detailers

heres a scientific test done with it that showede nearly nothing done to the paint as in nothing really significant

http://www.carcaretech.com.tw/pdf/PPS_Ortech_test.pdf

here a sample if you read the whole forum where the sales manager first posted as a tester and then later admitted posting as a independent tester but is actually their sales manager

http://www.autopia.org/forum/car-det...ll-action.html

so case closed after doing a 2 hour research on it, im now convinced its another useless products with really bogus claims, better stick with those sealants that claim to last 1 month but really last more than sealants that claim to last forever but its gone with one wash, hammers down its a bogus product, even its other name 5star stated in their website its NASA technology but eventually can't show any NASA certificate but stated being NASA technology by simply using the same polymers which actually branches out to hundreds of different formulations

check it here

http://www.5starshine.com/

so bottomline its just a PTFE sealant, if its just PTFE sealant then just go for liquid glass legend which uses the same sealant, but the difference between liquid glass and the bogus sealant is that LG Legend requires 25 applications to achieve that result and doesn't make bogus claims, heck even OGE uses the same polymer family as PTFE, OGE's polymers belong to the same family as teflon thats why its very slick

haha, no wonder it's not in autogeek

thanks for the research, nice testing parameters!

[watusi]

No

Not necessarily, depends on the amount of road film

QD will not, Claying will

It will make roadfilm easier to wash off if you used a very slick sealant

thanks madkatz

[dotnetmatt]

Wow! great job! i mean even with the low lighting it still looks glossy, that would be even better if out in the sun for pictures, what products did you use?

ay silver ba po kay dotnetmatt? i thought polished metal metallic yung sakanya kaya nasabi ko po na mas madali pakinisin yung kanya.. nakita ko po kasi 1.5E variant yung kanya..

if alabaster silver sir dotnetmatt yung color ng GM niyo.. ang GALING !!! grabe sa kinis !! great JOB..

Boss Nik Polished Metal yung kulay nung city

[dotnetmatt]

thanks madkatz

Idol sa susunod dito tyo sa Emerald kakain ng siopao. Isa na ito sa pinakamsarap na siopad na natikman ko. hehehe

[Nik]

Boss Nik Polished Metal yung kulay nung city

ahh sarap nga pakintabin nya instant kintab agad.. sayang wala ganyan sa 1.3S

sarap mag wash ngayong umuulan malamig kakapit mabuti ang mga itatapal

[Nik]

4. Swirl Remover - Swirl X
5. Finishing Polish - Nano Gloss??? ( i know not a polish, but a filler, or pwede ba to to use as glaze?)
6. Glaze - Moms Step 2???
7 Sealant - Carlack NSC and LLS

hindi po ba kaya matatangal yung Step 6 nyo of mag step7 w/ NSC kayo? anf step5 din baka tangal din..

gurus ideas po?