Detailing Thread [For Newbies][continued]

[djoverdose]

Chikselog,

Thanks sir..... so yung 4hrs waiting time is for the topcoat only? medyo na confuse po kasi ako eh... after wiping the wax off i still have to wait for 4 or 8hrs before i can apply my final layer which is mothers topcoat? hindi po ba pag ka nag dry na yung wax totally cured na siya?

though i read in meguires yung ultimate quick something na you have to wait for 12 hrs ata para mag fully set yung mga polymer sa paint... though yung wax naman na gamit ko is pure carnuba and not the synthetic type...

[indiej]

Is it made in Korea? I've been ..

..but so far if its just for weather protection there are better sealants out there, actually Opti-seal even does a slightly ..

. so be extra sweet to your korean friends.

have you seen their protection tests? i'm gonna look for one that they heatgun brake fluid on the test hood. price is 2800 pesos for combo sized for one application which you cannot store for more than a year. looks like it's gonna be just for end users not so for professionals.

this is why i haven't changed and exhausting my sealant. i'm gonna wait it out til i can get my hands on this thing. anyway the best sealant is available.

so aqqrrtzr2600, read up on aquartz, maybe you wanna try one. available in europe and korea

[djoverdose]

By the way heres the pic of our honda city....
(all pictures are with flash on so that the swirl marks would be visible.)
ito yung swirl x.


finished the trunk last night it has been coated with sealer,wax and topcoat.... for comparison i left the rear fender (lower right) untouched.


Lower portion is untouched while the upper part was buffed already.


before


after

just finished the whole car... will be buffing the wax later... will try to post pics tomorrow of the total outcome of the car....
man really having a hard time removing those water deposits from the door handles, bottom of the door moldings, and in the side mirrors....

will vinegar work? kakafrustrate eh.... tried swirlX with a screwdriver wrapped in cloth to no avail.... wala bang parang spray spray lang then tooth brush? hehehe

[Starex_Gold]

Share ko lang..

PIMS-HARI Display Preparation..
Washed & Waxed...

[Chikselog]

*SG
DAMN! Display ang oto mo sa PIMS? 1st unit ng Premium CRDi? Naks!

Nice plate!

[SIZE="1"]Ehem OGE ehem. :naughty2:[/SIZE]

[Starex_Gold]

Sa Sunday pa kami bro chiks

Doon kami sa West parking. Buong Team Hyundai PH. Nag Sponsor kasi ang HARI. Hehe. Tapos free lunch pa. Heheheh..

[SIZE=1]Eh kung pahiram kaya ng OGE.... :naughty2:[/SIZE]

[Chikselog]

Sa Sunday pa kami bro chiks

Doon kami sa West parking. Buong Team Hyundai PH. Nag Sponsor kasi ang HARI. Hehe. Tapos free lunch pa. Heheheh..

[SIZE=1]Eh kung pahiram kaya ng OGE.... :naughty2:[/SIZE]

Kala ko display unit ka! E sa kintab ba naman nyan daig ba bnew. Lalo na kapag may OGE. :naughty2:

Sunday? Ouch baka Sabado kami hehe. After mamalengke ng alak for wine appreciation direcho na kami doon hehe. May mga test drive daw eh marami. Including Benzes and 3.8 GC. Alam na pucha! :naughty2:

[Starex_Gold]

Oo nga eh. Makintab lalo yan pag may OGE.. :naughty2: Kaya pahiram na.. Nyahaha

At tama ka dyan. Maraming test drive. IMHO mas maganda itong CAMPI sa MIAS. 3.8 V6 nga yung GC. Test drive & take home daw yung GC pag ako na ang gagamit :rofl:

[madkatz]

. so be extra sweet to your korean friends.

have you seen their protection tests? i'm gonna look for one that they heatgun brake fluid on the test hood. price is 2800 pesos for combo sized for one application which you cannot store for more than a year. looks like it's gonna be just for end users not so for professionals.

this is why i haven't changed and exhausting my sealant. i'm gonna wait it out til i can get my hands on this thing. anyway the best sealant is available.

so aqqrrtzr2600, read up on aquartz, maybe you wanna try one. available in europe and korea

Wow, thats a bit expensive also i guess, can you PM me the contact number of the person thats selling it, im really interested in trying this stuff, i'm actually having a similar product requested from Optimum thats pretty much about the same but in this case its like putting on another layer of clear coat where as Aquartz based on how our mentor explained to us is basically altering the chemical composition of the outermost clearcoat making it scratch resistant, this is for me the only feature im after, for me scratch resistance is very important especially to some who have a hard time maintaining their paint scratch free. As for beading i've seen some tests on you tube and it doesn't bead and repell water as much but based on the different forums i've read it does provide a scratch resistant layer, Optimums product isn't scratch resistant but it does increase the workable layer for paint protection.

[indiej]

Wow, thats a bit expensive also i guess, can you PM me the contact number of the..

..As for beading i've seen some tests on you tube and it doesn't bead and repell water as much but based on the different forums i've read it does provide a scratch resistant layer, Optimums product isn't scratch resistant but it does increase the workable layer for paint protection.

the contact number is also at their website. but if you have Korean friends .. http://www.alibaba.com/member/t_world/contactinfo.html

could you point me to the link that shows aquartz weakness in weather resistance? if it can protect from hydrochloric acid, it may not need to bead the water and just follow the weekly wash schedule i guess. plus we've got waxes IF it does not repel water. are we really talking about the same thing?
http://www.aquartz.net/aquartz.html
http://www.aquartz.net/aquartz-reload.html

which optimum product? i'm finishing the SG container which is at 75% so i have a lot of time to pick the next.

[indiej]

azzkkr, try the aquartz since you can also try opti-coat which might be incoming and selling here. i don't think you can buy opti-coat out there since they do not retail opti-coat, it's only sold to the pro detailers. cut the detailing expenses. win win.

[mf051404]

migz kung eto yung same product na sinasabi .. san mo to nakuha ?? hehe need ko kasi pang linis ng interior..

guys any idea kung ano best at safe para sa headlight plastic? medyo lumalabo na kasi sa dumi, water marks , etc. TIA !

Elevo Headlamp Restore (not sure about the exact name)...meron sa Ace..P179 ang isa....ok naman sya...

[mf051404]

Hey migz try to bring it over some time, im sure my BF will also be ecstatic to try it out, who knows it might just be another great product out there sitting to be discovered

Nung una eh hesitant din ako, alam mo naman yung mga naglalako ng door-to-door eh gagawin at sasabihin lahat para lang bumili ka...then sabi niya " meron ba kayong stain or dumi dito na hindi niyo matanggal tanggal...then pinakita ko yung dumi sa carpet at vinyl sa office na maski clorox eh hirap tanggalin...no sweat na natanggal (yung dumi sa carpet eh para bubble gum), pero syempre ginamitan ng wet vac para masipsip yung dumi. ang isang napansin kong property nya is not the cleaning itself, but the kind of protective coat (after ma-apply parang hindi na ganun kabilis magdumi, lalo na yung trim na naaapakan sa door, of course nadudumihan pero isang punas lang ng wet cloth eh tanggal, yun ang pinakamahirap linisin kasi may mag scratches na)...i will try sa mall portion ng carpet ng kotse and see how it goes (wala pa lang time kasi)...eversince lagi na ako bumibili...walang pangalan pero I highly recommend this product...

[mf051404]

Share ko lang..

PIMS-HARI Display Preparation..
Washed & Waxed...

Awesome!

[madkatz]

the contact number is also at their website. but if you have Korean friends .. http://www.alibaba.com/member/t_world/contactinfo.html

could you point me to the link that shows aquartz weakness in weather resistance? if it can protect from hydrochloric acid, it may not need to bead the water and just follow the weekly wash schedule i guess. plus we've got waxes IF it does not repel water. are we really talking about the same thing?
http://www.aquartz.net/aquartz.html
http://www.aquartz.net/aquartz-reload.html

which optimum product? i'm finishing the SG container which is at 75% so i have a lot of time to pick the next.

Actually i only based it on the actual demo panel we have, we were able to try Aquartz thru our mentor, he brought one back from the UK when he was travelling looking for a pure acrylic or pure urethane glaze for paint so sealants can bond to the paint unlike oily glazes, On the actual demo panel, we noticed that it really does resist anything that clings onto it, we placed it under a tree to get some tree saps and we brought it to Canyon Cove and placed it under the pine trees since their saps are one of the most known to damage paint, and although it really did come off easy we saw minor etching on the paint so i guess its kinda like Rejex in terms of rejecting elements except that Rejex can be worn down by detergents, what really impressed us about Aquartz Paint Coating is the scratch resistance, what we did to test it is we dropped a chenille washmitt on the ground to pick up some dirt and scrubbed it across the paint of course with some shampoo water, although it still scratched the Aquartz treated panel the difference was really huge, the panel where we had normal sealant applied had a lot of scratches which as only about a few lines about 5 to 10% at most on the Aquartz panel, so we really think its a great deal especially for those who want a scratch free finish but can't practice the two bucket method

The product i was refering to is, yeah, Opti-Coat hehe, Opti-Coat is what we're comparing to Aquartz Paint Coating, the Aquartz Reloaded is what we compare to Opti-seal.

This is the video i saw from you tube comparing Opti-seal and Aquartz and Dodo, i don't think its fair to Opti-seal and Aquartz because Dodo is a wax not a sealant.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wuE_NvD_PcQ&feature=related"]YouTube- Optimum OptiSeal vs Aquartz Reload vs Red Mist Tropical[/ame]

As for the test panel, our mentor will be back here again this October we could try to check it again at his garage near the Fort.

As for Opti-coat, thats what we are actually eyeing on, we think its definitely better than Opti-seal but we don't think it would be available for consumers we could only sell it to individuals who we trust can prep their cars, but even for us Optimum isn't inclined towards selling it yet, and thats one of the reasons why we kinda have delays with our shipment, if Optimum can sell us Opti-coat i would reduce my Opti-seal purchase and just divert it to Opti-coat. One other thing why we're still re-thinking Opti-coat is aside from it being a tougher extra clear coat layer, its really hard to get a nice decent detail here in our country, the kind thats hologram free and one other factor is that you have to apply it on a very clean environment and the only garage i know is that of our mentors hehe, we're required to clean the whole garage and mop it before we start a detail, its air-conditioned by whirlpool with special air-filter, its a very nice place to detail since its really cool but thats only only environment we could apply Opti-coat, either that or a purely closed garage closed to external dust pretty much like those in a professional paint shop, so we think its a bit of hassle, but we're also trying one soon thats applied outside, if we could successfully prove it can be applied outside then why not?

As for Aquartz based on how it was explained to us, i would admit that its less finicky than other coating companies products, but then again both Aquartz and Opti-Coat along with their rivals are no longer considered as sealants, they are on a whole new level of paint coating like Liquid Glass Legend.

[madkatz]

*azzkkrr: this is where our mentor bought his, its a little more expensive but i guess you wouldn't pay for shipping anymore

http://www.cleanyourcar.co.uk/sealan.../prod_725.html

[Sureshot]

sir tanong ko lang kung maganda ba gamitin yung scratchX sa mga scratches kasi ako napansin ko pag ginagamit ko siya may mga swirl marks na lumalabas lalo na pag tinamaan ng sunlight talagang visible siya. super oc kasi ako mga sirs lalo na sa mga gasgas black pa naman oto ko. TIA

[madkatz]

sir tanong ko lang kung maganda ba gamitin yung scratchX sa mga scratches kasi ako napansin ko pag ginagamit ko siya may mga swirl marks na lumalabas lalo na pag tinamaan ng sunlight talagang visible siya. super oc kasi ako mga sirs lalo na sa mga gasgas black pa naman oto ko. TIA

you mean when you use scratchX you actually develop swirls? Hmm if thats the case you might have to follow it up with SwirlX either that or your application method is wrong, can you explain in detail the process you are doing? like what do you use to apply? do you clay first before applying ScratchX? how long do you work the products, those details would greatly help, and to answer your question yes its good.

[Sureshot]

you mean when you use scratchX you actually develop swirls? Hmm if thats the case you might have to follow it up with SwirlX either that or your application method is wrong, can you explain in detail the process you are doing? like what do you use to apply? do you clay first before applying ScratchX? how long do you work the products, those details would greatly help, and to answer your question yes its good.

yes sir pero yung swirls niya hnd naman masyado halata pag natamaan ng araw dun m mapapansin yung mark ng pinagpunasan. ang ginagawa ko po ang pinang aapply ko is minsan yung wax applicator tapos mga after a minute punasan ko ng microtex plush ayun ganun lang po then i repeat the process again hanggang matanggal yung scratch tapos may naiiwan na swirls minsan po yung plush din ang pinangaapply ko ng scratchX yun nadin pinangpupunas ko kasi akala ko dun ko nakukuha swirls sa applicator kasi ordinary lang yung sakin ung 100 4pcs ata yun po ang ginagawa ko. pano po ba magandang gawin? thanks po

[madkatz]

yes sir pero yung swirls niya hnd naman masyado halata pag natamaan ng araw dun m mapapansin yung mark ng pinagpunasan. ang ginagawa ko po ang pinang aapply ko is minsan yung wax applicator tapos mga after a minute punasan ko ng microtex plush ayun ganun lang po then i repeat the process again hanggang matanggal yung scratch tapos may naiiwan na swirls minsan po yung plush din ang pinangaapply ko ng scratchX yun nadin pinangpupunas ko kasi akala ko dun ko nakukuha swirls sa applicator kasi ordinary lang yung sakin ung 100 4pcs ata yun po ang ginagawa ko. pano po ba magandang gawin? thanks po

im a girl by the way, do you work the product with heavy pressure? if its very light swirls you might not have worked the product thoroughly either that or you've already dry buffed the product, if you're using scratchX you should be carefull to always maintain it lubricated. so far your procedure is correct, even by hand application i've had great results with scratchX, try to work with moderate pressure to remove the scratches and with light pressure to finish off and remove the swirls created.