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[madkatz]

. so be extra sweet to your korean friends.

have you seen their protection tests? i'm gonna look for one that they heatgun brake fluid on the test hood. price is 2800 pesos for combo sized for one application which you cannot store for more than a year. looks like it's gonna be just for end users not so for professionals.

this is why i haven't changed and exhausting my sealant. i'm gonna wait it out til i can get my hands on this thing. anyway the best sealant is available.

so aqqrrtzr2600, read up on aquartz, maybe you wanna try one. available in europe and korea

Wow, thats a bit expensive also i guess, can you PM me the contact number of the person thats selling it, im really interested in trying this stuff, i'm actually having a similar product requested from Optimum thats pretty much about the same but in this case its like putting on another layer of clear coat where as Aquartz based on how our mentor explained to us is basically altering the chemical composition of the outermost clearcoat making it scratch resistant, this is for me the only feature im after, for me scratch resistance is very important especially to some who have a hard time maintaining their paint scratch free. As for beading i've seen some tests on you tube and it doesn't bead and repell water as much but based on the different forums i've read it does provide a scratch resistant layer, Optimums product isn't scratch resistant but it does increase the workable layer for paint protection.

[indiej]

Wow, thats a bit expensive also i guess, can you PM me the contact number of the..

..As for beading i've seen some tests on you tube and it doesn't bead and repell water as much but based on the different forums i've read it does provide a scratch resistant layer, Optimums product isn't scratch resistant but it does increase the workable layer for paint protection.

the contact number is also at their website. but if you have Korean friends .. http://www.alibaba.com/member/t_world/contactinfo.html

could you point me to the link that shows aquartz weakness in weather resistance? if it can protect from hydrochloric acid, it may not need to bead the water and just follow the weekly wash schedule i guess. plus we've got waxes IF it does not repel water. are we really talking about the same thing?
http://www.aquartz.net/aquartz.html
http://www.aquartz.net/aquartz-reload.html

which optimum product? i'm finishing the SG container which is at 75% so i have a lot of time to pick the next.

[indiej]

azzkkr, try the aquartz since you can also try opti-coat which might be incoming and selling here. i don't think you can buy opti-coat out there since they do not retail opti-coat, it's only sold to the pro detailers. cut the detailing expenses. win win.

[madkatz]

the contact number is also at their website. but if you have Korean friends .. http://www.alibaba.com/member/t_world/contactinfo.html

could you point me to the link that shows aquartz weakness in weather resistance? if it can protect from hydrochloric acid, it may not need to bead the water and just follow the weekly wash schedule i guess. plus we've got waxes IF it does not repel water. are we really talking about the same thing?
http://www.aquartz.net/aquartz.html
http://www.aquartz.net/aquartz-reload.html

which optimum product? i'm finishing the SG container which is at 75% so i have a lot of time to pick the next.

Actually i only based it on the actual demo panel we have, we were able to try Aquartz thru our mentor, he brought one back from the UK when he was travelling looking for a pure acrylic or pure urethane glaze for paint so sealants can bond to the paint unlike oily glazes, On the actual demo panel, we noticed that it really does resist anything that clings onto it, we placed it under a tree to get some tree saps and we brought it to Canyon Cove and placed it under the pine trees since their saps are one of the most known to damage paint, and although it really did come off easy we saw minor etching on the paint so i guess its kinda like Rejex in terms of rejecting elements except that Rejex can be worn down by detergents, what really impressed us about Aquartz Paint Coating is the scratch resistance, what we did to test it is we dropped a chenille washmitt on the ground to pick up some dirt and scrubbed it across the paint of course with some shampoo water, although it still scratched the Aquartz treated panel the difference was really huge, the panel where we had normal sealant applied had a lot of scratches which as only about a few lines about 5 to 10% at most on the Aquartz panel, so we really think its a great deal especially for those who want a scratch free finish but can't practice the two bucket method

The product i was refering to is, yeah, Opti-Coat hehe, Opti-Coat is what we're comparing to Aquartz Paint Coating, the Aquartz Reloaded is what we compare to Opti-seal.

This is the video i saw from you tube comparing Opti-seal and Aquartz and Dodo, i don't think its fair to Opti-seal and Aquartz because Dodo is a wax not a sealant.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wuE_NvD_PcQ&feature=related"]YouTube- Optimum OptiSeal vs Aquartz Reload vs Red Mist Tropical[/ame]

As for the test panel, our mentor will be back here again this October we could try to check it again at his garage near the Fort.

As for Opti-coat, thats what we are actually eyeing on, we think its definitely better than Opti-seal but we don't think it would be available for consumers we could only sell it to individuals who we trust can prep their cars, but even for us Optimum isn't inclined towards selling it yet, and thats one of the reasons why we kinda have delays with our shipment, if Optimum can sell us Opti-coat i would reduce my Opti-seal purchase and just divert it to Opti-coat. One other thing why we're still re-thinking Opti-coat is aside from it being a tougher extra clear coat layer, its really hard to get a nice decent detail here in our country, the kind thats hologram free and one other factor is that you have to apply it on a very clean environment and the only garage i know is that of our mentors hehe, we're required to clean the whole garage and mop it before we start a detail, its air-conditioned by whirlpool with special air-filter, its a very nice place to detail since its really cool but thats only only environment we could apply Opti-coat, either that or a purely closed garage closed to external dust pretty much like those in a professional paint shop, so we think its a bit of hassle, but we're also trying one soon thats applied outside, if we could successfully prove it can be applied outside then why not?

As for Aquartz based on how it was explained to us, i would admit that its less finicky than other coating companies products, but then again both Aquartz and Opti-Coat along with their rivals are no longer considered as sealants, they are on a whole new level of paint coating like Liquid Glass Legend.

[madkatz]

*azzkkrr: this is where our mentor bought his, its a little more expensive but i guess you wouldn't pay for shipping anymore

http://www.cleanyourcar.co.uk/sealan.../prod_725.html

[Sureshot]

sir tanong ko lang kung maganda ba gamitin yung scratchX sa mga scratches kasi ako napansin ko pag ginagamit ko siya may mga swirl marks na lumalabas lalo na pag tinamaan ng sunlight talagang visible siya. super oc kasi ako mga sirs lalo na sa mga gasgas black pa naman oto ko. TIA

[madkatz]

sir tanong ko lang kung maganda ba gamitin yung scratchX sa mga scratches kasi ako napansin ko pag ginagamit ko siya may mga swirl marks na lumalabas lalo na pag tinamaan ng sunlight talagang visible siya. super oc kasi ako mga sirs lalo na sa mga gasgas black pa naman oto ko. TIA

you mean when you use scratchX you actually develop swirls? Hmm if thats the case you might have to follow it up with SwirlX either that or your application method is wrong, can you explain in detail the process you are doing? like what do you use to apply? do you clay first before applying ScratchX? how long do you work the products, those details would greatly help, and to answer your question yes its good.

[Sureshot]

you mean when you use scratchX you actually develop swirls? Hmm if thats the case you might have to follow it up with SwirlX either that or your application method is wrong, can you explain in detail the process you are doing? like what do you use to apply? do you clay first before applying ScratchX? how long do you work the products, those details would greatly help, and to answer your question yes its good.

yes sir pero yung swirls niya hnd naman masyado halata pag natamaan ng araw dun m mapapansin yung mark ng pinagpunasan. ang ginagawa ko po ang pinang aapply ko is minsan yung wax applicator tapos mga after a minute punasan ko ng microtex plush ayun ganun lang po then i repeat the process again hanggang matanggal yung scratch tapos may naiiwan na swirls minsan po yung plush din ang pinangaapply ko ng scratchX yun nadin pinangpupunas ko kasi akala ko dun ko nakukuha swirls sa applicator kasi ordinary lang yung sakin ung 100 4pcs ata yun po ang ginagawa ko. pano po ba magandang gawin? thanks po

[indiej]

my answers in blue.

Actually i only based it on the actual demo panel we have, we were able to try Aquartz thru our mentor, he brought one ..a lot of scratches which as only about a few lines about 5 to 10% at most on the Aquartz panel, so we really think its a great deal especially for those who want a scratch free finish but can't practice the two bucket method

it surely would have helped a lot if it was the time when you got very ill from your vacation and your CRV was.. in need of Aquartz
this answers a lot of questions: http://www.detailingworld.co.uk/foru...d.php?t=168666
Glasgow has low 7-12 deg C and high 16-20 deg C weather from May-July.

The product i was refering to is, yeah, Opti-Coat hehe, Opti-Coat is what we're comparing to Aquartz Paint Coating, the Aquartz Reloaded is what we compare to Opti-seal.

afaik, aquartz reacts to the paint, aquartz reloaded reacts to the layer of aquartz.

As for Opti-coat, thats what we are actually eyeing on, we think its definitely better than Opti-seal but we don't think it would be available for consumers we could only sell it to individuals who we trust can prep their cars..

optimum has its reasons. even Gtechniq C1 and Aquartz are not readily available in the U.S. more of legal reasons i guess. optimum's stance in the U.S. alienates some hobbyists though.

.. we're required to clean the whole garage and mop it before we start a detail, its air-conditioned by whirlpool with special air-filter, its a very nice place to detail since its really cool but thats only environment we could apply Opti-coat, either that or a purely closed garage..

i bet some of the testers don't have that clean room

As for Aquartz based on how it was explained to us, i would admit that its less finicky than other coating companies products, but then again both Aquartz and Opti-Coat along with their rivals are no longer considered as sealants, they are on a whole new level of paint coating like Liquid Glass Legend.

exactly. another game changer. i forgot the previous ones. waterless wash? sealants? anyway i hope these glass type coatings improve their ease of application rapidly.

from what i've read, aquartz can be layered and made available to those who want it. opti-coat can fix clearcoat damage.

no more 8-24 hour sealant cure time between layers. if the LSPs aren't compatible, i'm sure they'll figure something to couple with these new tech coatings to further improve their look and add that sacrificial layer.

[madkatz]

my answers in blue.

Actually if it was that instance when i was at canyon woods how i wish i already had Liquid Glass Legend then, my bottle arrived 3 months later, at that time i didn't have any polychargers yet so too bad for me and the fact that i was sick didn't help, yeah how i wish i had these new paint protection products before that incident happened, im really game to try Aquartz but i guess purchasing one would have to wait a little longer i might get mine next year, as for Opti-coat we're very excited to try and test it outside, and we're also excited to have out mentor bring some over from the US, he's basically one of the people thats very keen on new products and lets us test it, there's actually a towel he showed me, its a clay cloth, it makes removing contaminants a breeze, you pretty much just have to moisten it and wipe it on the paint and its like you're already clayed the finish its that easy, As for Aquartz Reloaded i think you could also use this as a stand alone product, based on how i see reviews its like a Wipe on Walk away type of product.

And yeah i really do hope they make things easier especially for the enthusiasts, its not like everyone has a clean garage and has all the tools so making it marketable for them would really result in a win win situation, i mean enthusiasts get the desired results, companies get increased sales, i also want to know how much vehicles one bottle of Aquartz Paint Coating can coat, based on the size i think its gonna be a lot easier to use Aquartz i mean thats basically a whole bottle for a few vehicles right? Opti-coat is contained in a small 10cc syringe, and it should already cover 2 to 3 vehicles, now talk about spreading the product really really thin. i can't even imagine how thin we have to apply it since we already used up about 1cc just for the whole test hood.

[indiej]

..i also want to know how much vehicles one bottle of Aquartz Paint Coating can coat, based on the size i think its gonna be a lot easier to use Aquartz i mean thats basically a whole bottle for a few vehicles right? Opti-coat is contained in a small 10cc syringe, and it should already cover 2 to 3 vehicles, now talk about spreading the product really really thin. i can't even imagine how thin we have to apply it since we already used up about 1cc just for the whole test hood.

..price is 2800 pesos for combo sized for one application which you cannot store for more than a year.

one car two layers. adds 0.3 mil per layer. i'll get back to you if i'm to use aquartz this year.

opti-coat, 4200 Php, 3-5 cars, do not layer.

these glass type paint sealants have very similar disclaimers about their application: for pro detailers. even that won't guarantee error free results.

[madkatz]

one car two layers. adds 0.3 mil per layer. i'll get back to you if i'm to use aquartz this year.

opti-coat, 4200 Php, 3-5 cars, do not layer.

these glass type paint sealants have very similar disclaimers about their application: for pro detailers. even that won't guarantee error free results.

Whoa! i didn't know opti-coat could go as high as that, i think the price OPT gave us is a little cheaper, and if you're up for buying one Aquartz Kit, lemme know i might as well ask a favor and tag one order for me along hehe if you don't mind