Detailing Thread [For Newbies][continued 2]

[jed_015]

Thanks Sir Edwin for the detailing demo/tips/tutorial etc..
*scharnhorst TL ako sa mazda mo..
*PSI *jed nice to meet ya'll.. sori late. hehe.

Next time ulit. :D dami ko natutunan. :D

hehe. thanks dude! nice meeting you bro! kita kits nalang ulit

*PSI: ok ka na idol?

*jed: kita kits sa next detailing session bro!

most of all salamat kay master edwin!

*scharnhorst== ok na ko... pero sama talaga pakiramdam ko kanina kaya have to leave early.... next time ako na mag dedemo sama lang talaga pakiramdam ko....

*kerikzb/jed_015=== nice meetig you guys... nice to hear dami kayo natutunan.....

*Chikselog== product knowledge/washing the car.... step 1-2-3.... me nag seal ba?

Sir PSI, sir kerikzb and sir Scharnhorst, sir ed nice meeting you..maraming salamat sa mga tinuro niyo..dami ko natutunan. lalo na sa product application..sa uulitin!!!

[tribal]

had to do some back reading, i dont know if someone already answred this...

476s will take a lot of effort to remove, even when using household detergents (although, please... don;t try household grade products on your car)... So I'd prolly say that if you use any shampoo made for cars, the 476s would stand it...

Now, you'd just have to find a shampoo good enough to let your 476s last for as long as it can... if you're on a budget, get MIcrotex Sampoo, or if you wanna save more with a bulk buy, go to big berts an buy a whole gallon of their shampoo

I won't recommend washing your car without shampoo. Car shampoo is necessary in washing to:

1. Provide lubricity to the water to lessen the likelihood that the dirt wont scratch your car when you wipe it off.

2. Easily melt down (or decompose) road filem, grease, grime and other dirt that water and wiping won't just take off. (This is what foam wash does great, when you leave the foam shampoo on the car and let it slide down)

3. Add gloss, some shampoos have an effect that add to or compliments your car's overall shine.

Hope this helps...

thanks a lot...will try it on sunday kung di nga po matanggal sa car shampoo yung inapply ko na 476 the other day...

by the way, kung may inapply ako na parang QD after 476 (pero di nagpapabead yun) magbebead pa kaya yun since napatungan ko ng QD na hindi nagpapabead ng water?

[scharnhorst]

*jed: nice meeting ya too sir! gusto ko rin ng silver na auto! hehe.

thanks a lot...will try it on sunday kung di nga po matanggal sa car shampoo yung inapply ko na 476 the other day...

by the way, kung may inapply ako na parang QD after 476 (pero di nagpapabead yun) magbebead pa kaya yun since napatungan ko ng QD na hindi nagpapabead ng water?

hmmm... by experience, sa mga spray wax, nakakapabead ang nanosliq. sheeting naman sa OCW.

pero more often than not, tanggal agad yung mga QD sa isang ulan lang, kaya lumalabas parin yung beading ng 476

[Chikselog]

Doc, question. Diba may Mothers FX Spray Wax ka? Maganda ba siya gawing booster sa 476? TIA.

[scharnhorst]

Doc, question. Diba may Mothers FX Spray Wax ka? Maganda ba siya gawing booster sa 476? TIA.

cosmetically, less streaking compared sa nanosliq, with comparable shine. pero less shiny than OGE

regarding protection... inferior sya sa OCW - mas maaga natatanggal yung 476 kung mother's FX spray wax lang gamit. not sure if kasing tibay or mas matibay ang sliq

sa ease of application, minimal buffing required after spreading.

okay lang naman yung mothers FX, pero parang mas cost-effective ang sliq

[GulongGong]

mga sir, question po, ano ba talaga ang musta have combo for the 476 focusing more on protection and longer effectiveness? its for a bnew white car with covered garage. protection ang main concern ko so as to preserve its beauty. from reading, ang nasa isip ko is nanogloss, 476 then nanosliq tama po ba or is there something else in between? OCW and OGE? medyo overwhelming kasi sa dami ng classifications hehe... thanks!

[rico_g]

mga sir, question po, ano ba talaga ang musta have combo for the 476 focusing more on protection and longer effectiveness? its for a bnew white car with covered garage. protection ang main concern ko so as to preserve its beauty. from reading, ang nasa isip ko is nanogloss, 476 then nanosliq tama po ba or is there something else in between? OCW and OGE? medyo overwhelming kasi sa dami ng classifications hehe... thanks!

OK na ung combo, you can top 476 with Sliq for maximum beading or OGE for regular beading but boosted gloss...

Depending on the weather, I'd use Sliq (rainy), OGE (sunny) or both (addict mode!)

as for OCW, OCW is a spray wax that is in the same category as other finishing waxes like 476s, Moms Step 3, etc... it's unbelievalble, but master Ed showed us this car product review site that did not include OCW under spray waxes but was rated as a finishing wax... anyway, you can actaully use OCW instead of 476, pero syempre, iba tibay ng colllinite and other major paste waxes...

anyway, because of OCW's ease of use, most people use it as a spray booster wax to protect, their finishing wax... this is what I actaully do.... top my 476 with OCW so my waxing regimen is farther in between... the only thing about OCW, while it is an excellent product, is that it SHEETS, more than it can BEAD water. This simply means that applying OCW on top of 476 will make the beading less tighter... the advantage with sheeting naman, is that it's easy to dry the car via water sheeting...

If you're into the aesthetics of beading, then you may see this as a sacrifice... but beading is merely aesthetic. Functionally, clear coat topped with 476s and OCW is better than 476 alone..

I myself didnt use OCW before as I was so addicted to beadin, but after doing some reading on beading vs sheeting, my eyes got opened with some good facts...

[indiej]

mga sir, question po, ano ba talaga ang musta have combo for the 476 focusing more on protection and longer effectiveness? its for a bnew white car with covered garage. protection ang main concern ko so as to preserve its beauty. from reading, ang nasa isip ko is nanogloss, 476 then nanosliq tama po ba or is there something else in between? OCW and OGE? medyo overwhelming kasi sa dami ng classifications hehe... thanks!

you can classify 476s with nanoglos and OCW, sliq with OID so you only have two, waxes and wax boosters.

for better protection, use a sealant at the start. it's a hard protective layer which is really inconvenient to apply such that it needs to be protected with wax.

zooming out, you have these in descending degree of application inconvenience:

1. car paint, generally the clear coat
2. sealants
3. waxes
4. wax boosters

each product minimizes the application of the layer before it.
each product is generally less durable than the one before it.

you can simply use:

the microtex nano twins, which work together and maintain with the sliq or;

476s, which is the toughest. You can maintain it with the sliq.

you may also just double your application of the longer lasting product that you have on hand instead of finding a similar one to put on top of it, unless the latter is more convenient or economical than the former.

later on you can opt to further simplify or complicate ;)

[dandyagustin]

Noob question here,

After Step 1, I'll put Nano Glos, wait for 1 hour then buff, then 4hours for curing time before applying 476. tama po ba? what's next if I plan to put OCW and Nano Sliq? what would be the time gaps in between the next two?
thanks!

[indiej]

Noob question here,

After Step 1, I'll put Nano Glos, wait for 1 hour then buff, then 4hours for curing time before applying 476. tama po ba? what's next if I plan to put OCW and Nano Sliq? what would be the time gaps in between the next two?
thanks!

tama, tapos isunod mo na lang isa isa kada sunod mong hugas. pwede mo rin isunod isa isa kada 4-8 oras.

[GulongGong]

*rico g & *indiej - Thank you sirs for those great insights! now medyo nalinawan na ako... so, its 476 then OCW or sliq.

Now, with regards to sealants, gano kahirap mag apply ng sealants? as to what sir indiej stated, it is somewhat hard to apply, kailangan ba magpa sealant ako sa detailing shops like BB? or pwede ba DIY? is a polisher necessary or can it be done by hand or with just my kp600?

re; sa beading and sheeting naman, pano naging aesthetically good pag may beading? doesn't drops / beads of water becomes like a magnifying glass when hit by sunlight? hindi ba mas dangerous yun sa paint? unlike sa sheeting, mas konti ang natitirang water sa panels kaya mas "safer" in some ways??...


-Aris

[dandyagustin]

tama, tapos isunod mo na lang isa isa kada sunod mong hugas. pwede mo rin isunod isa isa kada 4-8 oras.

thanks! isunod isa-isa meaning after the collinite wait again for 4 hours then OCW naman then 4 hours again, then Sliq naman?

[indiej]

thanks! isunod isa-isa meaning after the collinite wait again for 4 hours then OCW naman then 4 hours again, then Sliq naman?

yes, if you want to use all those products.

[dandyagustin]

yes, if you want to use all those products.

alright! thanks! 1st time to do this kasi so lahat muna.. then I'll follow the sequence I've read here in this thread on how many times to apply those products from time to time..

[indiej]

*rico g & *indiej - Thank you sirs for those great insights! now medyo nalinawan na ako... so, its 476 then OCW or sliq.

Now, with regards to sealants, gano kahirap mag apply ng sealants? as to what sir indiej stated, it is somewhat hard to apply, kailangan ba magpa sealant ako sa detailing shops like BB? or pwede ba DIY? is a polisher necessary or can it be done by hand or with just my kp600?

it's as easy as anything to apply. the care, preparation, and the curing time is what's troublesome.

so, again, we're back to the list. we want to protect the clear coat, then we want to do that to the sealant, then to prolong the life of the expensive wax.

re; sa beading and sheeting naman, pano naging aesthetically good pag may beading? doesn't drops / beads of water becomes like a magnifying glass when hit by sunlight? hindi ba mas dangerous yun sa paint? unlike sa sheeting, mas konti ang natitirang water sa panels kaya mas "safer" in some ways??...

beauty and beholder. you're right. it all comes down to how much water is left on the paint. beads also roll off, but mostly when there's wind. i'm not sure if rain sheets off paint, unless a flow is coming from a rain gutter.

[rico_g]

yes, if you want to use all those products.

I'm sure NanoGloss has a curing time of 1 hour, but after that when you top with 476s, then OCW, then sliq, no more curing time... you can layer one product after the other IMHO...

[dandyagustin]

I'm sure NanoGloss has a curing time of 1 hour, but after that when you top with 476s, then OCW, then sliq, no more curing time... you can layer one product after the other IMHO...

I guess the only one with the curing time is the NanoGlos? how about the others? is there any waiting time after the products have been applied before buffing? like for the Sliq, it says in the back label that I need to buff it after 15 mins, correct me if I'm wrong.. thanks!

[watusi]

I myself didnt use OCW before as I was so addicted to beadin, but after doing some reading on beading vs sheeting, my eyes got opened with some good facts...

agree, less water spots when water sheets

[jmpet626]

*rico g & *indiej - Thank you sirs for those great insights! now medyo nalinawan na ako... so, its 476 then OCW or sliq.

Now, with regards to sealants, gano kahirap mag apply ng sealants? as to what sir indiej stated, it is somewhat hard to apply, kailangan ba magpa sealant ako sa detailing shops like BB? or pwede ba DIY? is a polisher necessary or can it be done by hand or with just my kp600?

re; sa beading and sheeting naman, pano naging aesthetically good pag may beading? doesn't drops / beads of water becomes like a magnifying glass when hit by sunlight? hindi ba mas dangerous yun sa paint? unlike sa sheeting, mas konti ang natitirang water sa panels kaya mas "safer" in some ways??...


-Aris

Mas maganda mag apply ng sealant by machine mas consistent at even ang application pag machine. Modify mo na lang yung Kp600 mo to accept 6.5 inch Foam pads like Lake Country or Meguiars pads. Velcro and Super glue lang nag need mo

[mada]

*rico_g:

sir tama po ba to nabili ko...mother's carnauba pre-wax cleaner phase 1=mother's step 1..yan kasi nakalagay....then pano po ba maganda pag apply nito...balak ko kasi mag apply na sa car ko. para makumpleto yung step's sinabi mo;

mother's step 1
IPA wipedown
nanogloss
915
OCW = bibilhin kopa kay madkatz
OGE.