Detailing Thread [For Newbies][continued 2]

[dbhollanda]

ano vinegar ba dapat gamitin? distilled ba dapat.

ala makita wife ko na distilled vinegar sa sm e so datu puti na lang at sm bonus natural vinegar...oks naman...

[PSI]

+1 ako dito...dati nga weekly ako mag-wax eh ngaun after reading again at tsikot eh parang naging twice or thrice a week pa ako mag-wax using 915..hehe..


comrades, paano ba tatanggapin sa sarili na we have to park in an open parking sa ofc...medyo layo rin kasi nilalakad ko pabalik sa ofc if mag-park ako sa mall...

eh IDOL..... baka sa ibang site ka nagbabasa ......

[frenchtower]

For those who are asking as to what COLLINITE products are best for your car paint, look at this link. Hope this helps untangle the confussion.

http://properautocare.com/collinite.html

[rico_g]

Hi! Newbie here, ask ko lang po where to buy those Collinite, OCW, SwirlX that were mentioned in this thread. What combo would you recommend for bringing out the shine and detail of my car and to maintain it . Honda Civic '08, black. I currently use Simoniz Diamond Hard Wax once a week. Thank you in advance!

sir, kambal yata yung auto natin!!!

depends on how intense you want your detailing regimen to be and your budget... if I was starting out, here's the order i'd have when I buy

1. Collinite 915/476s (476s is cheaper and just a little bit more durable than 915, but 915 shine is superb!) - use this to wax your car 2-3x a week
2. NanoGloss - very cheap OTC product! brings out more shine on your car.
3. OCW - easy waxing for more regular repition. use this to protect the wax that protects your clear coat.
4. Cleaner - I use Mothers Step 1, ok din ung Megs Cleaner. But if you're going for the twins, since one of them is a cleaner, pwedeng i-defer mo na to
5. Carlack/Klasse twins - Go Sealant! extra protection and another level of shine, plus one of Klasse All in One/ Carlack NSC (one of the twins) also acts as a good cleaner to prep your paint..


If you have more than one of this, you may layer in this order.... (just remove an item if you don't have them...


1. Wash (good affordable shampoo would be microtex or get a gallon from big berts)
2. Cleaner Wax (skip this if you are going for twins)
2. Nano Gloss (skip this if you're going for the twins) - cure for 4 hours before applying wax
3. KAIO/Carlack NSC - cleaners (Twin #1)
4. KSG/Carlack LLS - Sealants (Twsin #2 - use twins once every 3 months)
5. Collinite 915/476s - wax (every 2-4 weeks)
6. OCW - wax ulit to protect the wax that protects the sealant - uber protection. (weekly or in between washing)
7. Optional - for better looks (and a little bit of protection) you can use boosters like Optimum Gloss Enhancer (OGE/OID), Nano Sliq, Megs NXT, Megs Ultimate QUik Wax, etc.. (every day or after every wash)

Actually wla pa ko ng Klasse/Carlack twins, my car's been excellent without it... but of course, I still plan to get one... baka this weekend nga ako bumili if not next week...

You can get all this from Master Ed and most of these from autobisyo.com

lastly... don't forget to invest in good quality Microfiber cloths and washmitt... highly recommended ung Microtex. Using regular flannel cloths and chamois will just make everything nearly useless.

I hope this helps!

mga idol, feel free to add if i missed anything.

[rico_g]

I've been reading a thread in Megs about sheeting vs beading...

Hydrophobic (sheeting) vs. Hydroscopic (beading)

http://www.meguiarsonline.com/forums...php/t-152.html

share ko lang...


I have a question though, while beading does look cool, I'd really like a product that sheets... a lot of people say that OCW sheets water well... it does when using a hose with no nozzle...

Question is... is it possible for my car's surface to be so hydrophobic that it can actually let raindrops to slide off... Is there a powerful enough product out there that can sheet rain? or is that even possible?

[frenchtower]

I've been reading a thread in Megs about sheeting vs beading...

Hydrophobic (sheeting) vs. Hydroscopic (beading)

http://www.meguiarsonline.com/forums...php/t-152.html

share ko lang...


I have a question though, while beading does look cool, I'd really like a product that sheets... a lot of people say that OCW sheets water well... it does when using a hose with no nozzle...

Question is... is it possible for my car's surface to be so hydrophobic that it can actually let raindrops to slide off... Is there a powerful enough product out there that can sheet rain? or is that even possible?

I think what you need is a Force Field

Kidding aside, when you subject your car to elements, there is only so much you can do to prevent your car surface from being touched by dirt, road grime, brake dust, etc. Unless these elements are wash away simultaneously with rain water, only then you will have flawless hydrophobic effect.

I believe the closest thing to achieving this is to wax as often as possible. Just an opinion.

[Ginnova]

any wax that sheets rather than beads.

[frenchtower]

any wax that sheets rather than beads.

On personal experience, Collinite 845 over Klasse twins. Another factor for sheeting is also how the vehicle's body is aerodynamically designed. Gravity plays a major role in making liquid slide off the surface.

[jed_015]

I've been reading a thread in Megs about sheeting vs beading...

Hydrophobic (sheeting) vs. Hydroscopic (beading)

http://www.meguiarsonline.com/forums...php/t-152.html

share ko lang...


I have a question though, while beading does look cool, I'd really like a product that sheets... a lot of people say that OCW sheets water well... it does when using a hose with no nozzle...

Question is... is it possible for my car's surface to be so hydrophobic that it can actually let raindrops to slide off... Is there a powerful enough product out there that can sheet rain? or is that even possible?

Ganun pala yun..kaya pala yung NXT malamya ang beading kasi sheeting yung effect niya...ang intindi ko kasi dati..basta nagwax..beading..pag wala ng beading wala ng wax..akala ko ganun..enjoy ako sa sheeting kapag tapos na ako ng wash..mas madali kasi magdry kapag may sheeting. pero mas gusto ko gawin yung walang nozzle sa collinite..kesa sa NXT..that's me, ewan ko lang sa iba..

[madkatz]

Just an update on my MF towels that I soaked in vinegar/water mixture, soaked it for about 5 hours, pero di ko ginalaw, di siya naging soft. I think I have to soak it in lukewarm water before the vinegar. Pero I think yung medyo sa nakakapasong tubig ko na siya ibababad since matagal-tagal ng tuyo yung wax sa MFs.

a note to everyone, do not soak your MF towels in really hot water, warm water will do, the kind of heat when soaking on a hot spring will do but nothing hotter, take note MF towels are made of nylon and basically plastic like materials that are not very well tailored for high heat temperatures, i've seen some MF's used in engine detailing that actually end up becoming sharp because some of the MF's melted due to the very high temperature of the engine, this is applicable to all MF towels, so don't put warm water straight out of the kettle or thermose straight to the MF, another thing that i would recommend is have a bucket of soap water ready once you're done waxing or using the MF towel, this way the wax and polish residues don't really get a chance to dry up and clog the fibers, this is one key to keep your MF's in good condition, never let the wax and polish on the Mf dry for a long time always have a soap water solution and soak it, if you don't have time to wash it after you could just leave it in the bucket and since its not cotton it won't really deteriorate the quality of the MF

[madkatz]

Is this the Optiguard paint program sa site nila? Ano difference nun sa new car paint protection lang? I am based in Laguna kasi kaya medyo ang layo ng bigberts. Is there any other good detailing shops near the south?

As someone have said Optiguard Paint Program is basically 4 quarterly applications of the New car Program, also the Optiguard comes with a one time claimable exterior detail to remove swirls and scratches

[madkatz]

eto DIY ko sa parking ko since wala aknog covered parking sa bahay kasi next year pa ko makalipat sa new house na may parking...

bumili ako ng beach towels (currently on sale sa uniwide sucat) 4x4 so 16 pcs lahat. pinili ko yung maganda himulmul ng towel yung medyo similar sa MF halos ang texture. then pinatahi ko worth 200 pesos lang so simpleng pinagdugtung dugtong lang. ayun 1.5 weeks ko na ginagamit pangtakip sa ibabaw ng vehicle ko tapos patong ng car cover (freebie ko to sa casa yung waterproof) ayun eversince di na ko nagkaka swirl...or gasgas due to car cover.

nag uulan ulan nowadays pero sa loob tuyo ang auto. ginagawa ko e sa gabi pagdating ko e hose down ng water and using my hand to remove the mud and other dirts. then tuyuin ko ng MF ayun ayos na ayos alang swirls na bago in fact di ko na rin makita yung lumang swirls since i used carlack twins...then bago ko umalis e QD na lang ...

Great job on that!

[madkatz]

ano vinegar ba dapat gamitin? distilled ba dapat.

prefered is distilled but if normal white vinegar works then you could use that as well

[madkatz]

I've been reading a thread in Megs about sheeting vs beading...

Hydrophobic (sheeting) vs. Hydroscopic (beading)

http://www.meguiarsonline.com/forums...php/t-152.html

share ko lang...


I have a question though, while beading does look cool, I'd really like a product that sheets... a lot of people say that OCW sheets water well... it does when using a hose with no nozzle...

Question is... is it possible for my car's surface to be so hydrophobic that it can actually let raindrops to slide off... Is there a powerful enough product out there that can sheet rain? or is that even possible?

for me it depends on whats gonna happen on your car but its something we really don't have any say on and something we really can't tell but based on experience, beading is great for light drizzles and sheeting is great for heavy rains, there are some cases with LSP's that after they lose their beading properties it is actually replaced by sheeting but it all boils down to what LSP you use, for me and my BF what matters for us is whether beading or sheeting what we really want it the leser amount of water on the paint

[Chikselog]

a note to everyone, do not soak your MF towels in really hot water, warm water will do, the kind of heat when soaking on a hot spring will do but nothing hotter, take note MF towels are made of nylon and basically plastic like materials that are not very well tailored for high heat temperatures, i've seen some MF's used in engine detailing that actually end up becoming sharp because some of the MF's melted due to the very high temperature of the engine, this is applicable to all MF towels, so don't put warm water straight out of the kettle or thermose straight to the MF, another thing that i would recommend is have a bucket of soap water ready once you're done waxing or using the MF towel, this way the wax and polish residues don't really get a chance to dry up and clog the fibers, this is one key to keep your MF's in good condition, never let the wax and polish on the Mf dry for a long time always have a soap water solution and soak it, if you don't have time to wash it after you could just leave it in the bucket and since its not cotton it won't really deteriorate the quality of the MF

Will take note of this. Thanks mam! Siguro pwede na yung init ng tubig na pampaligo?

[madkatz]

ok just to give everyone a teaser on what products i am currently collecting and also just to give everyone thats interested in 915 an idea on how well it fares with some of the best waxes in the world

These two threads are what basically gave me the idea to make my own top 10 wax and top 10 sealants and top 10 wax and sealants, i am still currently in the process of buying some of them since some are really really expensive, only item im lacking is Zymol Royale and Swissvax Crystal Rock which are both ridiculously expensive, we might help a friend enter Manila Auto Saloon and we might use Swissvax Best of Show/Concorso, really excited with that

http://www.detailingworld.co.uk/foru...ad.php?t=79801

http://www.detailingworld.co.uk/foru...highlight=test

also if you check the links on day 1 to day 4 on the first link, thats also what inspired my BF to put up detailing seminars and EB, these guys are just weekend hobbyist and some professionals seeking nothing but perfection, we're hoping to get more people into detailing and get to know people with the same passion and hopefully someday get a detail session and get to inspire more people, maybe dedicate one day to detail a whole car and just sit back after and relax with a cold beer, although i don't drink i know your guys would love that

*RICO: these waxes are basically the closest to what i think you are asking for in terms of water just rolling off, but take note it required 3 layers

*everyone: pls do not think that buying these waxes would give you these results, take note that shine and gloss is 90% preparation and waxes and sealants just help you reach that remaining 10%, meaning 90% of the gloss comes from preparing the paint, claying, polishing, finishing and glazing, we've personally done a car in a province using all but OTC products and still managed to get a show car worthy result this was because we left our detailing kits on the other car when we went to subic that time.

So basically if you get Collinite 915, its basically already at par with waxes that are 10 times more expensive, although some of these waxes win over collinite in terms of looks, the difference it very minimal and even hard to tell, so no need to go out and bust your wallet for world class high end waxes unless you're a self admitted wax junkie like me, so there, i've been a bit hesitant on sharing that link since i know most of them are not available here so its kinda pointless, i guess my point really is that there are a lot of alternatives to these waxes, i've come up with my own top10 wax and top 10 sealants and surprisingly some of them are within the price range of 915 as well, im also not saying that buying high end waxes are pointless as well there are some people that would pay higher amounts of money even for that small advantage because if it really is pointless i wounldn't even bother investing on more expensive waxes, there really is a difference between them but it takes a expert to tell the difference but most people don't really care that much about it and for them higher end waxes isn't really suited for them

i hope this gives people who are thinking about getting 915 a peace of mind that they are indeed getting one of the best waxes out there

[madkatz]

On personal experience, Collinite 845 over Klasse twins. Another factor for sheeting is also how the vehicle's body is aerodynamically designed. Gravity plays a major role in making liquid slide off the surface.

up with this one

speaking of aerodynamics we've driven over to bataan one time and it suddenly rained pretty hard for like 15 minutes, and we were traveling at around 120kph at SCTEX you could see the beads really fly off, when we got to subic of all 4 cars in our group only our car didn't even look like it went through a harsh rain, there wasn't even any water spots left except for those ner the crevices, there was also one time when we parked at antipolo near the famous jacuzzi place and it rained quite hard, but after the rain the wind was really blowing and you could see that only the rear end had waterspots since it was the only part that wasn't affected by the wind

[rico_g]

ok just to give everyone a teaser on what products i am currently collecting and also just to give everyone thats interested in 915 an idea on how well it fares with some of the best waxes in the world

These two threads are what basically gave me the idea to make my own top 10 wax and top 10 sealants and top 10 wax and sealants, i am still currently in the process of buying some of them since some are really really expensive, only item im lacking is Zymol Royale and Swissvax Crystal Rock which are both ridiculously expensive, we might help a friend enter Manila Auto Saloon and we might use Swissvax Best of Show/Concorso, really excited with that

http://www.detailingworld.co.uk/foru...ad.php?t=79801

http://www.detailingworld.co.uk/foru...highlight=test

also if you check the links on day 1 to day 4 on the first link, thats also what inspired my BF to put up detailing seminars and EB, these guys are just weekend hobbyist and some professionals seeking nothing but perfection, we're hoping to get more people into detailing and get to know people with the same passion and hopefully someday get a detail session and get to inspire more people, maybe dedicate one day to detail a whole car and just sit back after and relax with a cold beer, although i don't drink i know your guys would love that

*RICO: these waxes are basically the closest to what i think you are asking for in terms of water just rolling off, but take note it required 3 layers

*everyone: pls do not think that buying these waxes would give you these results, take note that shine and gloss is 90% preparation and waxes and sealants just help you reach that remaining 10%, meaning 90% of the gloss comes from preparing the paint, claying, polishing, finishing and glazing, we've personally done a car in a province using all but OTC products and still managed to get a show car worthy result this was because we left our detailing kits on the other car when we went to subic that time.

So basically if you get Collinite 915, its basically already at par with waxes that are 10 times more expensive, although some of these waxes win over collinite in terms of looks, the difference it very minimal and even hard to tell, so no need to go out and bust your wallet for world class high end waxes unless you're a self admitted wax junkie like me, so there, i've been a bit hesitant on sharing that link since i know most of them are not available here so its kinda pointless, i guess my point really is that there are a lot of alternatives to these waxes, i've come up with my own top10 wax and top 10 sealants and surprisingly some of them are within the price range of 915 as well, im also not saying that buying high end waxes are pointless as well there are some people that would pay higher amounts of money even for that small advantage because if it really is pointless i wounldn't even bother investing on more expensive waxes, there really is a difference between them but it takes a expert to tell the difference but most people don't really care that much about it and for them higher end waxes isn't really suited for them

i hope this gives people who are thinking about getting 915 a peace of mind that they are indeed getting one of the best waxes out there

Solid ang 915!!!!!

[jmpet626]

ok just to give everyone a teaser on what products i am currently collecting and also just to give everyone thats interested in 915 an idea on how well it fares with some of the best waxes in the world

These two threads are what basically gave me the idea to make my own top 10 wax and top 10 sealants and top 10 wax and sealants, i am still currently in the process of buying some of them since some are really really expensive, only item im lacking is Zymol Royale and Swissvax Crystal Rock which are both ridiculously expensive, we might help a friend enter Manila Auto Saloon and we might use Swissvax Best of Show/Concorso, really excited with that

http://www.detailingworld.co.uk/foru...ad.php?t=79801

http://www.detailingworld.co.uk/foru...highlight=test

also if you check the links on day 1 to day 4 on the first link, thats also what inspired my BF to put up detailing seminars and EB, these guys are just weekend hobbyist and some professionals seeking nothing but perfection, we're hoping to get more people into detailing and get to know people with the same passion and hopefully someday get a detail session and get to inspire more people, maybe dedicate one day to detail a whole car and just sit back after and relax with a cold beer, although i don't drink i know your guys would love that

*RICO: these waxes are basically the closest to what i think you are asking for in terms of water just rolling off, but take note it required 3 layers

*everyone: pls do not think that buying these waxes would give you these results, take note that shine and gloss is 90% preparation and waxes and sealants just help you reach that remaining 10%, meaning 90% of the gloss comes from preparing the paint, claying, polishing, finishing and glazing, we've personally done a car in a province using all but OTC products and still managed to get a show car worthy result this was because we left our detailing kits on the other car when we went to subic that time.

So basically if you get Collinite 915, its basically already at par with waxes that are 10 times more expensive, although some of these waxes win over collinite in terms of looks, the difference it very minimal and even hard to tell, so no need to go out and bust your wallet for world class high end waxes unless you're a self admitted wax junkie like me, so there, i've been a bit hesitant on sharing that link since i know most of them are not available here so its kinda pointless, i guess my point really is that there are a lot of alternatives to these waxes, i've come up with my own top10 wax and top 10 sealants and surprisingly some of them are within the price range of 915 as well, im also not saying that buying high end waxes are pointless as well there are some people that would pay higher amounts of money even for that small advantage because if it really is pointless i wounldn't even bother investing on more expensive waxes, there really is a difference between them but it takes a expert to tell the difference but most people don't really care that much about it and for them higher end waxes isn't really suited for them

i hope this gives people who are thinking about getting 915 a peace of mind that they are indeed getting one of the best waxes out there

+1 sa paint prep! Pag properly cleaned and polish ang paint kahit OTC wax lang will yield great results.

Lupit pala ng 915. Sa experience ko naman mas longer lasting ang shine ng Z2 with ZFX vs 915. Mga 2 weeks lang and 2 carwashes nawawala na shine ng 915 but water sheeting is still there.

[madkatz]

+1 sa paint prep! Pag properly cleaned and polish ang paint kahit OTC wax lang will yield great results.

Lupit pala ng 915. Sa experience ko naman mas longer lasting ang shine ng Z2 with ZFX vs 915. Mga 2 weeks lang and 2 carwashes nawawala na shine ng 915 but water sheeting is still there.

Z2's shine will really last longer no question about it, sealants will always have a longer lasting shine compared to waxes