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[madkatz]

*chickselog: sealant are very much liquid in consistency, more liquid that liquid waxes, they are very easy to spread, but the thing is its usually clear so sometimes its actually hard to tell if you still have some products or if you are still spreading the product.

[madkatz]

I just got myself a BnD Blower for 3400, its a bit cheap compared to buying it from popular hardwares. I opted for the BnD since the Makita blower is also made in china and because basically they both have the same motor, and the Makita would cost me around 1k more. I have to say im very happy using it to dry creases and those hard to reach areas, i wouldn't recommend you use this to dry down the whole car though, i tried it and noticed that if you use this to dry the whole car, its not as glossy as compared to being dried using MF cloth, and at times if water comes out from creases its a little dusty so it dries out with dusts pushed out by water from creases. But overall im happy, now i just wipe the majority of the area with MF cloth, blow the edges and creases, rewipe the areas where dusts and dirt comes out especially in doors creases and from inside the side mirror, for those hard to reach area's i just blow it off and it dries nicely.

Another use for this thing, that i thought of and worked quite well was that you could just it to remove a huge part of the dust from your car, since its very dirty here i tried it a while ago and a majority of the dusts came right off, so i guess that means less dusts for the duster meaning longer lifespan for my duster.

[locoroco777]

another question again for GURUS

Is the Megs 82 better than the Swirl X? or is it just the same?

sorry if this was already asked before...

TIA

[jmpet626]

Mas Agressive yung Swirl X. Depende sa severity ng swirls.

http://craigdt.web.officelive.com/im...rasives2.2.jpg

[locoroco777]

Mas Agressive yung Swirl X. Depende sa severity ng swirls.

http://craigdt.web.officelive.com/im...rasives2.2.jpg

sir, when you say aggressive does it mean mas effective?

[ess]

sir, when you say aggressive does it mean mas effective?

Well... yes and no.

When a product is more aggressive, it means that it will remove more paint using the same level of effort.

If your paint is severely marred, then maybe a more aggressive product will be more effective.

But if your paint's condition is not that bad, then using a more aggressive product will still work, but you'll end up removing more paint than what is needed.

[jonjon_u]

Well... yes and no.

When a product is more aggressive, it means that it will remove more paint using the same level of effort.

If your paint is severely marred, then maybe a more aggressive product will be more effective.

But if your paint's condition is not that bad, then using a more aggressive product will still work, but you'll end up removing more paint than what is needed.

I agree.

This is one of the reasons why in paint defect removal, we should try a less aggressive product/combo first.

[locoroco777]

Well... yes and no.

When a product is more aggressive, it means that it will remove more paint using the same level of effort.

If your paint is severely marred, then maybe a more aggressive product will be more effective.

But if your paint's condition is not that bad, then using a more aggressive product will still work, but you'll end up removing more paint than what is needed.

I agree.

This is one of the reasons why in paint defect removal, we should try a less aggressive product/combo first.

Ahh I see then....so can I say... Swirl X= too much swirls & paint defects and Megs 20=for not to much swirls and paint defects?

sorry for keeping the language to my level...hehe...its just that I'm not too familiar with the terms being used in this thread........like moments ago, I just realized that the PC 7424xp is a machine buffer and not a wax...


thanks guys for the inputs...

[jmpet626]

Yung Swirl X uses SMAT (Super Micro Abrasives Technology) and yung 82 ata uses DAT (Diminishing Abrasives Technology)


http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/...-products.html

[jonjon_u]

Ahh I see then....so can I say... Swirl X= too much swirls & paint defects and Megs 20=for not to much swirls and paint defects?

At first glance, the answer would appear to be a yes. But in the real world, it really depends. Apart from the product, we have to also consider other factors, such as the paint itself, your choice of machine, polishing speed, pad construction, pad size, and pressure.

In other words, perform a test spot. That will greatly help in determining whether or not your product and pad combo would work on the defects of your car's paint.

Try to read this article from the MeguiarsOnline forum:

Let's talk about "Total Cut"

sorry for keeping the language to my level...hehe...its just that I'm not too familiar with the terms being used in this thread........like moments ago, I just realized that the PC 7424xp is a machine buffer and not a wax...

thanks guys for the inputs...

No worries. Ask away. Members would be here to help. That's what this forum is for.

[madkatz]

*locoroco777: Up and Up for all the replies above, all are very informative and very precise.


Well, just my 2 cents, for me SwirlX and Megs 82 Swirl Free Polish both fall onto two different categories in terms of polish categories.

I classify them into

Very Aggressive Polish - Megs 105/Megs Ultimate Compound
Aggressive Polish - Megs 84
Medium Polish - Megs 83
Light Polish - Megs 82
Finishing Polish - Megs 80/82

For me SwirlX could already be considered a medium polish by hand and even an aggressive polish via PC, its even more aggressive than Megs 83 Dual Action Cleaner Polish which is my standard moderate to light swirl remover using a PC or rotary, i guess this is because of its SMAT technology. You could put SwirlX between aggressive and medium because it can be used two ways, via hand or via PC, in using it via hand if you work it using light pressure it can already give you the results of Megs 86 via PC and with hard pressure you could have the same level of cut as Megs 84 with a rotary, with using it with a PC it gives a more uniform cut, its pretty much like Megs 86 with a rotary. But then i totally agree with jon, again there are a lot of factors to consider and what i wrote down is something that might help you gauge the cut.

If you would look back a few pages, there are pictures of a revo that i buffed using rotary and medium pressure, the polishes i used there are Megs 85, 84, and 83. Then again i polished a Ceramiclear clearcoat which is really tough. Normally the SOP in Megs Simex for serious defect removal is Megs 84 and then followed by Megs 83, but that is for serious defects already. The reason why SwirlX has that much cut is because it is targeted to be sold to the average consumer which does not have a PC and does not know that to properly achieve the best results you would need to work the product onto the paint using moderate pressure through an extended period of time, most people will just apply SwirlX like a wax which means shorter period of time and less pressure. In short SwirlX is made aggressive to still be able to deliver nice results when placed on unexperienced hands, of course its a different scenario when placed on the hands of more experienced people and simply by knowing that you need to work the product using moderate pressure but enough to be able to glide the applicator on the paint and then work the product for about 3 to 5 minutes per large panel, that already puts you above the average consumer in achieving better results. Its like all Megs OTC products that have SMAT are designed to produce nice results through a product that makes some things a lot more simpler.

Megs 82 for me is already considered a finishing polishes 2 categories down, finishing polishes doesn't have any significant cut, it can only remove very light swirls, the kind you could barely see, its called Swirl Free Polish because its a polish in the sense that in adds more gloss to the paint by smoothing out your paint further, but doesn't have that much cut to even leave swirls behind because the abrasives are so small, where in using Megs 84 and Megs 83 its sometimes common to still see buffer swirls caused by the larger abrasives. Megs 82 for me would be ineffective in removing and significant number of swirls but i have had great results using both Megs 82 and Megs 80 in terms of burnishing the paint to a high gloss using a polisher. So guess to shorten things up Megs 82 for me is used for further refining the paint to create a better gloss.

The good thing with SMAT abrasives that i kind of like is that even if its aggressive you still end up with a high gloss, so with using SwirlX chances are once worked properly you would end up with less swirls and a high gloss but that also doesn't mean it cuts less.

Posting pictures would be a great idea to determine if the swirls are moderate or light, i would suggest you use SwirlX for moderate swirls already, it would be a waste if you use SwirlX on light swirls, sure you might remove the swirls but you might also remove more clearcoat than necessary, thus why they all recommended using he least aggressive method. Thats why we would like to suggest if you are using SwirlX, would be to start with very light pressure, remove the product then check if the correction was made, if not work it a little harder and repeat the process until you achieve the desired results.

[locoroco777]

At first glance, the answer would appear to be a yes. But in the real world, it really depends. Apart from the product, we have to also consider other factors, such as the paint itself, your choice of machine, polishing speed, pad construction, pad size, and pressure.

In other words, perform a test spot. That will greatly help in determining whether or not your product and pad combo would work on the defects of your car's paint.

Try to read this article from the MeguiarsOnline forum:

Let's talk about "Total Cut"



No worries. Ask away. Members would be here to help. That's what this forum is for.

thanks for the link bro... all your inputs are well appreciated...

[Chikselog]

Ang heavy na ng swirls ko sa trunk. I just don't know yet if it's still swirls or light scratches na. I will try to post pics whenever I have free time so that everybody here can diagnose my problem much better

[locoroco777]

Thanks again katz! that's by far the most valuable 2 cents I've read...

I'll post the pics when my brother comes home with his SLR cam so I can take clearer pics for your evaluation..... TIA

[jmpet626]

Kaya pa kaya ma tanggal ng PDR to? Hit n Run sa parking lot. Natanggal ko na yung scratches at paint transfer dent na lang.

[jmpet626]

Eto yung Normal side sa kabila

[Starex_Gold]

OH *%&%^*$*! :shocked2: grabe bagong bago pa na hit and run na.

sana mabangga ng matindi yung dumale dyan.

sa tingin ko kaya naman ng PDR yan kaso talagang mahirap kasi medyo pa curve yung tinamaang part. nagpa PDR na ako dati sa Trooper, yung part na inayos parang may konting kulubot. pero hindi masyado halata kasi light colored. ewan ko lang sa Silky Bronze

[Starex_Gold]

OH *%&%^*$*! :shocked2: grabe bagong bago pa na hit and run na.

sana mabangga ng matindi yung dumale dyan.

sa tingin ko kaya naman ng PDR yan kaso talagang mahirap kasi medyo pa curve yung tinamaang part. nagpa PDR na ako dati sa Trooper, yung part na inayos parang may konting kulubot. pero hindi masyado halata kasi light colored. ewan ko lang sa Silky Bronze

[madkatz]

*jmpet626: i agree with SG, i think PDR could still do it.

[madkatz]

sorry 2x post