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[PareKoy]

*Parekoy:
Hope this helps.

Hi maam

It did help.

How much does the dupont or collinite paste wax cost? would that be better vs going straight moms?

I didn't notice the stains after long drives. I noticed that they got worse just the past couple of months. I started working in my new office with the open carpark last feb so I think there is a corelation there. Perhaps the very weird weather (sunny-rainy-sunny) we had lately had something to do with this.

I've also read about the clear coat failure and I've seen the pics from here. http://www.meguiarsonline.com/forums...ad.php?t=20411
Guys and girl, could i get your unbiased opinion if what i have is comparable with the pics from the link above? I think they do somewhat look alike but I'm still in denial and still would like to try the DIY before admitting defeat and getting it repainted

I'll try to stretch my budget for the clay + step1 + step2 + sachet wax (how i wish they had sachet pre-cleaner wax and glaze grr). I'll get the items and try to work on the car the whole day saturday

Thanks again!

[PareKoy]

edit: double post sorry

[madkatz]

*Parekoy: If you're after the show car wax of collinite the #915, thats a bit expensive around 2.1 to 2.2k, i got my first can from a friend for 2.2k and my 2nd can for 2,150, as for my upcoming 3rd and 4th can i ordered them thru autogeek and got a 10% off coupon so i think its just at about 30$ + shipping i guess it would just cost me 1700 per can, if you have a relative from the US thats coming over, it would definitely be more economical to just ask a favor and have on brought here hehehe , know its expensive but i feel its really worth it, if its the consumer line the #845 liquid wax, its only at 1k per bottle, both #915 and #845 requires very little to cover a whole car so for me its worth it. As for the dupont Carnuaba wax, i got my first Dupont Carnuaba Wax from a friend from the US for 15$ and i got my 2nd can at a car show for 800 pesos.

Check this out:

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wyq_ZlxyCyI"]YouTube- Collinite 915 wax - Water beading on a 2007 Vauxhall Corsa[/ame]
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5dGvStGaj6k&feature=related"]YouTube- Collinite 915 Marque d'Elegance Wax[/ame]

Now im not trying to advertise them ok? Even though i know someone that sells them, i even just opted to get my own from the US since its really cheaper there. thats not my car but thats how effective it really is, no exaggertations but in order to get that result you have to do a 2x coat with a drying time of 8 hours in between application.

Wow i've been looking for articles regarding paint failures and i've been to the Megs site and i've never seen this, those pictures are scary! o.O

Ok, this is a bit hard to blurt out but i think its pretty much similar to clear coat failure already but more on the early stages, If you plan on trying to DIY first before probably admitting defeat thats fine, nearly all of us go thru that part especially with scratches hahaha

Anyway as far as i've been a compulsive buyer of car care products, i've never seen any sachet sachet of step1 from any brand. so i guess you'll really have to buy a bottle

As for step 2, if you are not bent on targeting on removing very light swirls and scratches since these are usually not noticeable from afar and you just want that added shine, you can just get a sachet of 3m IHG for 40 pesos, this would be your step 2 and well IMO the gloss difference isn't that huge, they're pretty much at par IMO, 3m IHG is just harder to remove.

Your added bonus for getting 3m IHG would be that it works and is designed to work with 3m SCLW another 40 pesos sachet.

So if your budget is 2k, Mom's Claykit about P1400 + Moms Step1 P500 + 3m IHG P40 + 3m SCLW P40 thats makes it 1980 hahaha 20 bucks left for Fit n Right while exercising and taking care of your car hahaha, Well if i had a 2k budget, thats what i would do.

BTW, if you plan on using 3m IHG, DONT apply the whole car before removing it, Apply it per panel and remove it after applying before you proceed to the next panel, if 3m IHG dries up its a pain to remove, it would really need some serious elbow grease.

Hope this helps and Good luck on your DIY, i really hope this would do it to avoid you having to repaint.

[Para Ordenance]

In my Opinion

1. Wash
2. Dry
3. Clay
4. 3m IHG or Moms Step 2
5. 3m SCLW or Moms Step 3 or any other LSP

I did these steps 2 and a half weeks ago. With a maintenance of mother's showtime every week.

And here are the results after 2 and a half weeks. (Photos taken earlier this afternoon after a carwash)


http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y91...n/IMG_0097.jpg


http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y91...n/IMG_0096.jpg


http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y91...n/IMG_0098.jpg


http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y91...n/IMG_0094.jpg


http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y91...n/IMG_0100.jpg


Makintab parin kahit mag 3weeks na hindi nawawax

[PareKoy]

*Parekoy:
So if your budget is 2k, Mom's Claykit about P1400 + Moms Step1 P500 + 3m IHG P40 + 3m SCLW P40 thats makes it 1980 hahaha 20 bucks left for Fit n Right while exercising and taking care of your car hahaha, Well if i had a 2k budget, thats what i would do.

Thank you very much.. I think I'll do this..

What I'll do is:

1. Wash
2. Clay
3. Step 1
4. 3M IHG
5. 3M SCLW

Tama po ba? Wish me luck.. Saturday will be a looooong day haha

EDIT: I didn't do a very good job last time I waxed (poor lighting) and waxed over some dirty areas (asphalt, hard dirt). I was contemplating on doing this:

1. Wash
2. Step 1 (to remove old layer of wax)
3. Clay
4. 3M IHG
5. 3M SCLW

Thanks again!

[jmpet626]

Hirap pakintabin ng blue.. Meron po bang specific wax para sa mga blue cars? Parang di sya ganun ka glossy or wet look

Clay
Megs#80
Mothers Step 3
Reflections top coat (2x layer)


applied via kp600

[patricksee]

Tried this one and got the shine that I wanted.

4. 3M IHG
5. 3M SCLW

Although napansin ko na mas naging kapitin siya ng alikabok. It won't go off easily. Im using a microfiber duster I got from concorde to get rid of the dust but sometimes naiiwan pa din yung dusts sa car. Ganito din ba nangyari sa inyo?

[madkatz]

*Para: shouldn't it be Para Ordnance? My BF has a gun with that name on it, is that the brand?

Great shine BTW! Great job there! great reflectiveness and the trunk looks really really wet. I noticed the first shots are a bit grainy but i think its because of the camera? Did you use the 3m line or the Moms line to get that result? Im guessing moms? I really love red wet looking paint it just stands out a lot. Thanks for posting!

[madkatz]

*Chickselog: The first set meaning:

1. Wash
2. Clay
3. Step 1
4. 3M IHG
5. 3M SCLW

would give you better results, if you made a pass with wax on a dirty surface, clay could still remove those particles embedded. And this procedure is better since Step 1 is designed to prep paint to accept a sealant or glaze. If you use Step 1 and then clay after, claying might actually dull the gloss and finish Step 1 provides, so stick to the first pattern, it would give you a better and glossier shine.

[madkatz]

*jmpet626: Blue is a relatively easy color to create a wet shine based on my experience, is you car light or dark blue? If its light blue try, FX Synwax from Mothers for reflectivity and mirror like finish. You could also try Collinite Liquid Saphire wax as well as EO Nano wax and Dupont Carnauba for light colors. If its on a dark blue car, try Collinite 915, TW platinum paste, Megs NXT, and Mothers Reflections advance wax. I guess it all boils down to what you prefer more, reflectivity and mirror crisp shine or deep wet look. Your detailing regimen is already impressive considering you have one of my favorite combo, step 3 then Topcoat. Maybe adding Step 1 would help a lot since Step 1 brings out the color of the paint much much more and Step 1 also gives that deep wet look.

*patricksee: I haven't noticed if using 3m IHG and SCLW made my cars attract more dirt but im sure it made them look better. I'll give it a shot again next weekend and keep you posted on the results whether they do attract more dirt or not. One thing to note is that some carnauba based waxes usually tend to attract dirt and keep them there due to their waxy feel, this is actually normal for carnauba based waxes in my experience, what i do is just wipe it down with a Cali Duster and then mist on some QD and use a soft MF towel and wipe the panel to remove the dusts still embedded this usually does the trick. If you are looking for a LSP that would produce a good shine and attract less dust, you might want to try the synthetic side of LSP's, namely FX Synwax, Reflections TopCoat, Klasse SG, and Megs 21, most synthetic waxes don't leave a waxy or oily feel afterwards making it harder for dust particles to cling on to.

Hope this helps

[Para Ordenance]

*Para: shouldn't it be Para Ordnance? My BF has a gun with that name on it, is that the brand?

Great shine BTW! Great job there! great reflectiveness and the trunk looks really really wet. I noticed the first shots are a bit grainy but i think its because of the camera? Did you use the 3m line or the Moms line to get that result? Im guessing moms? I really love red wet looking paint it just stands out a lot. Thanks for posting!

Yes, it should be Para Ordnance instead of my name, but I added an "e" way back during my highschool days because I can't use the name in some gaming forum. So it became Ordenance with an E , up until now

I love the wet look too, my father loves it too and asks what have I been doing to the car lately. Kung dinala ko daw ba sa detailer. I answered, "no dad, its DIY!" And i showed him my mfs, waxes, and the clay.

Yeah, the grainy picture is due to the light blocked by the windshield causing the camera to compensate for the light lost.

I used both:
1. Wash (microtex)
2. Clay (Mother's Clay)
3. 3m IGH
4. 3m SCLW
5. Mother's showtime (Every week)

Thanks for the complement and for the suggestions you replied which is in the last page.

[speed unlimited]

Nice procedure step in waxing your car . How long it takes to wax if you use your car in rainy days.

[PareKoy]

*Chickselog: The first set meaning:

1. Wash
2. Clay
3. Step 1
4. 3M IHG
5. 3M SCLW

would give you better results, if you made a pass with wax on a dirty surface, clay could still remove those particles embedded. And this procedure is better since Step 1 is designed to prep paint to accept a sealant or glaze. If you use Step 1 and then clay after, claying might actually dull the gloss and finish Step 1 provides, so stick to the first pattern, it would give you a better and glossier shine.

Thanks again.. You know a lot about detailing, pang professional

[james00112233]

Thanks again.. You know a lot about detailing, pang professional

yun nga rin napansin ko. ang dami nyang alam at isa pa eh she is a "she".

[jmpet626]

*jmpet626: Blue is a relatively easy color to create a wet shine based on my experience, is you car light or dark blue? If its light blue try, FX Synwax from Mothers for reflectivity and mirror like finish. You could also try Collinite Liquid Saphire wax as well as EO Nano wax and Dupont Carnauba for light colors. If its on a dark blue car, try Collinite 915, TW platinum paste, Megs NXT, and Mothers Reflections advance wax. I guess it all boils down to what you prefer more, reflectivity and mirror crisp shine or deep wet look. Your detailing regimen is already impressive considering you have one of my favorite combo, step 3 then Topcoat. Maybe adding Step 1 would help a lot since Step 1 brings out the color of the paint much much more and Step 1 also gives that deep wet look.


Hope this helps

Cerulean Blue po na jazz... Step 1 na pre wax cleaner po ba? Yung Synwax po ba may cleaners? Gusto ko sana try yung collonite Super DoubleCoat Auto Wax #476

[madkatz]

*Para: thats nice! at least your father appreciates it, my dad just think its me being "OC" and being too specific with details, heck! i mean isn't that what detailing is for? O yeah if you used 3m on your car and achieved that shine and wet look im very impressed! i was betting on mothers but im surprised its 3m! Keep up the good job! Who knows your dad might actually help fund you with buying detailing materials!

[madkatz]

*Parekoy & James: its not that hard to learn actually, you just have to read a lot from other forums and get the general idea, Autogeek has how to steps in their site that helps a lot, and when it comes to products reviews i base my reviews on autopia, just hang in here a few more months and soon enough you probably know more stuffs than i do. im kind of a bit OC about things so its actually in my nature to be particular with details, for me the only hard part in learning about detailing would be having the budget to try out new things with beat up old cars especially if you can drastically improve a neglected friends car, its like my release, in my case its been an addiction and a new hobby, too bad though that now i find my self a compulsive buyer buying what ever products i still don't have taking a huge bite off my budget.

here's a picture of my first box, i filled up that box about only 6 months ago

http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/8952/img5158sk.jpg

that shot was actually taken by my BF playfully and sarcastically scolding me for spending too much on detailing

Now im on my 3rd box already! and totalling my expenses, it would already amount to 60k without counting the items i ordered from autogeek, haha i should really stop buying stuffs and save up for christmas. So yeah i've been addicted to detailing and just a warning guys, it sure can be addicting and a very expensive hobby hahaha

At first when i got my 2nd car it was in pristine condition, then i had it waxed at shell and noticed there were lots of swirls, since then i researched and had my BF teach me how to detail, i just read everything here and from different forums and try their techniques and suggestions and see what works for me, until now im actually still asking theveed about certain things im not sure of and also jonjonu, they're both nice guys that helped me a lot, they know more than i do

[madkatz]

*jmpet626: yup i was referring to step 1 pre-wax cleaner as Step 1, As for FX Synwax, it does have mild cleaners, its cleaners are enough to bring out the paint color a little more but not enough to remove stains and oxidations. Actually Collinite 476 is a really really good wax, it will really last you AT LEAST 2 months in Philippine weather per application and 2x coating will definitely last even longer, as for the price i think its also worth it since it can outperform paste waxes with the same price. If you are interested in finding one let me know, i know someone that sells it for 1.4k he said he could lower the price if its more than 1, but if you know someone that sells it cheaper also let me know im very interested in buying a can, my collinite 915 just started to be shipped so thats about 6 weeks away and im itching to apply a nice water beading wax over my car since its starting to rain more frequently recently.

[Para Ordenance]

*madkatz

Yeah, I'm glad that my father liked it. Though I did not show him the price of the clay bar (1.3k!). I don't know what will his reaction is if he knew that a clay costs that much.

You sure has a lot of detailing stuffs out there. I was thinking of a small box not until i saw the picture. Not to mention you got 3 boxes!

Detailing is really addicting. I also want to detail my mother and father's car, but the car is always out. I only got the chance to wash them and just use a quick detailer and then the car will be used again.

[madkatz]

*Para: if you're more specific on the Mothers brand, Try the Reflection or FX Spray wax, i think they cost around 450 bucks only, and one bottle goes a long way, just mist some on after you wash and buff it dry and you're done, you get a shorter protection compared to real waxes but its also better than Quick Detailer, also the feel and the shine is also better its much wetter looking and it won't take 5 minutes to finish the car hehe, thats what i do when im lazy. Megs Ultimate Quick Detailer and Ultimate Quick Wax are also good btw, its not as wet looking as compared to mothers but the hydrophobic technology they use there really does last. so you end up with less water on your paint resulting to less damage. just a suggestion, this is usually both companies solution for people who are pressed for time hehe