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[shadow]

ano ba difference ng cleaner wax doon sa mga scratch/swirl remover? and paano ba gagawin after mo gumamit ng cleaner wax diretso na kaagad yun carnauba wax? bale parang 2x ka mag wax?

[chain]

someone from hondaclub e.. hehehe thanks for the input! what do you mean well-polished? does that mean i have to do a "step2" on my ride?

sayang naman kung may swirls pa yung ride mo kung maglalatag ka ng P21S. danda-danda ng wax na 'yan eh. that's why I'd recommend you to have to have it polished prior.

as for steps 1, 2 or 3, in actuality, there are really no steps to follow.

its more of:
cleaning
polishing
protecting
and maintenance in between.

[chain]

ano ba difference ng cleaner wax doon sa mga scratch/swirl remover? and paano ba gagawin after mo gumamit ng cleaner wax diretso na kaagad yun carnauba wax? bale parang 2x ka mag wax?

a cleaner wax has wax with mild cleaning abilities for the surface while those scratch and swirl removers are just that. so ayun, walang wax ang latter.

it would be ideal to slap on some cleaner wax every now and then though.

so parang ganito: scratch & swirl remover (or you can go for those multi-combo products to polish as well) then carnauba.

[shadow]

^^^so diretso na yun from one step to another and no need to clean it? I mean after buffing off the cleaner wax diretso na yun carnauba? the 3 steps that you metioned yun cleaning is the car washing part? or is it the cleaner wax? the what is polishing?

sorry ha, medyo madaming tanong? so cleaner wax are non-abrasive purely for cleaning the surface, unlike rubbing compound? and ang scratch remover have mild abrasive naman...

so how would I know kung cleaner wax? is it written in the package? same procedure ba paggamit ng cleaner wax sa carnauba wax? just spread it and wait for it to haze then buff off?

hinde naman dellikado gumamit ng cleaner wax sa mga newbie pa sa detailing diba? kung nagkamali hinde naman nakakadamage ng paint like rubbing compound...

btw, I'll be using the B&D machine pala KP600 yata model, just saw it kasi sa brochure that was send to me by the credit card Co and pwede ko i claim ito...

anong magandang cleaner wax and carnauba?

[mbeige]

ano ba difference ng cleaner wax doon sa mga scratch/swirl remover? and paano ba gagawin after mo gumamit ng cleaner wax diretso na kaagad yun carnauba wax? bale parang 2x ka mag wax?

Cleaner wax: Mix of wax and cleaning properties, no abrasives

Scratch/swirl remover: No protective properties of wax, but with fine abrasives to "cut" and get the old, dull paint out or to "sand down" old paint to make it even, thereby "removing" the scratch

Scratch/swirl removers are generally mild abrasives. Rubbing compound, although they have mild and aggressive types, are generally more aggressive than the scratch/swirl removers.

Cleaner wax is best for newbies at detailing since it blends both cleaning and waxing properties, but it does not give the protection of pure wax, nor the cleanliness of pure paint cleaners. It also does not provide a lot of shine since this is usually done with a polishing/glaze compound, not a cleaner wax, nor a wax or even just a cleaning compound. Cleaner wax can make it shinier than it originally was, but that's about it. Beyond that, you'll need the polishing compound or the glaze. Personally I use Meguiar's #7 for the glaze, paint cleaner of Meguiar's as well as Meguiar's NXT. The first wax I ever bought and used was actually Mother's Cleaner Wax - amoy "Big Boy" bubble gum if you remember those. Very good wax for beginners but then I read and learned more so I just use the cleaner wax for engine cleaning instead.

If I were you get either Mother's or Meguiar's, both very reputable brands. Some will recommend Turtle Wax or even other brands so it's all a matter of preference.

However, if you're a beginner and plan to use a machine, always keep the machine moving to prevent paint burns when you leave the machine running and spinning on one spot. This causes heat build up and eventually, paint burns.

[shadow]

anong dirt ba ang nililinis ng cleaner wax sa paint? so the cleaner wax I just applied it like an ordinary wax then after I've done with it (buff) I should follow it by a carnauba wax? no need to clean the paint in between?

about naman sa sealant, are this in liquid form or parang paste din na wax and do I just apply it like an ordinary wax?... read through the first 50 pages and ano yun IHG?

did I get this right?

step 1 cleaner wax
step 2 scratch/swirl remover
step 3 carnauba wax

[mbeige]

This is what paint cleaner can do to your paint if it's been neglected. As you can see, the fresh "ivory" colored paint reveals itself once it has been cleaned. A whole bottle should be enough for even a midsized car, but mind you I bet you'll love what it does when you finally test it and might even do areas not necessary but good to know they're clean - like in the engine bay, door jambs, door frames, etc.



It's not necessarily "dirt" because dirt refers to loose debris on the surface. It's more of stuff that sticks on the surface usually not removable with just water or a damp cloth.

Your steps are good for me, but I much prefer just paint cleaner as first step rather than cleaner wax. This is so you can use the cleaning properties the most while you're at that step. Then continue preparing the paint with the swirl remover but be sure you know how to use it. There are products that are too aggressive so test it first.

If you haven't done much to the car's paint yet my best advise is to use cleaner wax first, and once you've done the whole car check which spots need swirl remover and use them there sparingly. Once done you can clay bar the whole car as a final prep, dry it well and then proceed with applying coats of wax.

[shadow]

when "safe for all clear coats" is indicated in the package of the scratch remover then it means that it just mildly abrasive? and won't damage the paint?

can I use a machine for the 3 steps? or meron particular na dapat hand lang ang gamitin?

thanks Mbeige, will try the cleaner wax+spot scratch remover + carnauba wax this weekend...anyway, pag nagkamali andyan naman bigberts...

it's relatively neglected, the paint is very dull but I can still see that the clear coat is still "thick"..so I guess cleaner wax can do the trick...

I really wanted to have it professionally done, actually napagawa ko na 2 yrs ago sa bigbert, problem is yun time kasi you need to bring the car there then leave it for half a day probably tapos babalikan then need to bring it home pa, while if I can do it on my own sa house pag ka gising pa lang pwede na umpisahan....

if bigbert can only do home service sana....suggestion bigbert sana pwede na lang kayo home service kahit additional na bayad ok lang para hinde hassle....

last na ito

cleaner wax=non abrasive
scratch remover=mildly abrasive
rubbing compound=very abrasive

wait! ano namn yun polisher?

kailangan ba I should also have 3 sets of applicator and buffer? the interchangable head ng machine?

[shadow]

^^^oh well I guess it was not my last question..

anong carnauba wax ang walang naiiwan na powder residue?

as for the machine pads, ano yun para sa wax applicator and what is for the buffing part? foam is for wax application, tama ba? and hinde ko na alam kung ano for removing/buffing?

and same pads ba for the scratch remover and cleaner wax and gagamitin?
I mean if yun scratch remover eh yun foam pad din ang gagamtin ko to put the scratch remover then yun whatever pad ang gagamitin to remove/buff it?

in short what pad is for what?

ano nga palang magandang entry level na orbital? enough for an aspiring detailer and that will probably use it once in a while, yun pwede na rin gamitin sa cleaner/scrtach remover waxes and not just enough for a carnauba wax application

pwede na ba yun binbigay ng credit card ko na B&D KP600?

[theveed]

dami ah... :D

when "safe for all clear coats" is indicated in the package of the scratch remover then it means that it just mildly abrasive? and won't damage the paint?

Not necessarily, some non-abrasive products from the old days are not clear coat safe as well, based on their chemical composition.

can I use a machine for the 3 steps? or meron particular na dapat hand lang ang gamitin?

Well, a machine is just a faster and non-tiring hand.... There are products such as waxes are best used by hand to avoid wastage and better coverage, but that's not a rule, more of a preference.

anong carnauba wax ang walang naiiwan na powder residue?

Most non-cleaner (pure) waxes don't have residue.... I'd say that even with cleaner waxes, 80% of users are using it wrong hence the excessive residue... Even basic TW green doesn't leave that much residue, but people are just slapping it on like peanut butter and jelly doesn't help.

as for the machine pads, ano yun para sa wax applicator and what is for the buffing part? foam is for wax application, tama ba? and hinde ko na alam kung ano for removing/buffing?

Like I said previously, wax application with machine is quite wasteful as most of the product just gets sucked into the large applicator... But just to answer your query, usually the softest, least abrasive pad. Other than wool and foam, i think you don't have much choices in material type.

and same pads ba for the scratch remover and cleaner wax and gagamitin?
I mean if yun scratch remover eh yun foam pad din ang gagamtin ko to put the scratch remover then yun whatever pad ang gagamitin to remove/buff it?

You could, but best to use different pads for different products.

in short what pad is for what?

It's on the label itself.

if bigbert can only do home service sana....suggestion bigbert sana pwede na lang kayo home service kahit additional na bayad ok lang para hinde hassle....

OT but there are things best left to do in a properly set-up shop premises.

ano nga palang magandang entry level na orbital? enough for an aspiring detailer and that will probably use it once in a while, yun pwede na rin gamitin sa cleaner/scrtach remover waxes and not just enough for a carnauba wax application

pwede na ba yun binbigay ng credit card ko na B&D KP600?

KP600 is for waxing mostly as it has no torque... Search for orbital buffers in our threads for some alternatives.

My golden rule with machines is always... Unless you know how to properly do it by hand, you still won't get good results by using a machine.

[theveed]

http://www.detailingdynamics.com/tipaug04.html

Please take the time to read this faq thread from page 1 to last as well... it's long, but most of your questions have been answered in great details in this thread... It's a bit of a chore answering the same basic queries again and again...

click the "search this thread" button up top and type KP600 and you'll see posts from 2005 onwards about the tool... Ditto with other key terms.

[mmanson]

would it be ok if i'l use klasse AIO-Mother's sealer and glaze-p21s combination (instead of klasse AIO-klasse SG-p21s?wala pa kasi ako nung SG eh..)

[shadow]

just receive the kp600 ROB and use it this morning, damn!!! walang kwenta!!! pang wax application and removal lang talaga.. if I use a better pads mas maganda ba ang "cutting" niya sa mga cleaner wax/paint cleaner?

*ILD, how did you stick the velcro strips doon sa head ng KP600? pwede ba rugby? baka matunaw yun rubber head niya?

read nanaman ako..page 80 na..hehhehe

[shadow]

how do you use ROP? I mean paano mo i work in yun cleaner wax/polisher? ginamit ko yun foam for wax spreading then wiat it to haze then yun wool namna to buff the wax? ganun lang ba? eh paano kung scratch remover ang gagamtin mo...ganun pa rin ang steps?

[shadow]

eto po may mga nakita akong pics...

sa mga expert ano ginawa dito sa KP600? tinggal yun rubber? meron na ba nakagaa sa inyo nito?

meron ba kayong alam na mabibilhan ng poorboy's wax?

[shadow]

mukhang busy ang mga detailing experts natin.....

:tumbleweed:

[chain]

how do you use ROP? I mean paano mo i work in yun cleaner wax/polisher? ginamit ko yun foam for wax spreading then wiat it to haze then yun wool namna to buff the wax? ganun lang ba? eh paano kung scratch remover ang gagamtin mo...ganun pa rin ang steps?

don't use a wool pad together with a ROP. liable to damage the paint. as stated before, the KP600 doesn't have enough torque to do significant paint correction. more of product application and wax removal.

as for scratch removers, its best to work it in by hand.

[shadow]

why would the wool pads damage the paint? inclusive na siya with the KP600, and even if I use a better pads wala pa rin kwenta yun KP600?

[mbeige]

Wool pads are like sandpaper. Have you ever held steel wool? It feels like that, sort of.

Like I said, before you even go with machines, learn the techniques that can be done by hand first. You're taking two steps at a time.

[ehw953]

guys, i bot an applicatior pad sa HANS, hindi meguiars ung binili ko kasi 4 pcs per pack ung meguiars eh... I just bot ung other brand na tig 70 pesos each...

question lng... how do use the pads efficiently? Iam currently using Mothers FX synwax, since medyo "liquidy" ung wax na toh, nahihirapan ako gamitin ung pads... feeling ko nastostock lng sa loob ng pads ung wax... so i tend to add wax on the pads para makita ko na may na apply sa paint ko... however, i have read na it is better if i use the wax sparingly... a small amount for a big part... pero kasi nung ginawa ko un nahirapan ako mag apply... feel ko konti lng and ung ibang part parang diko nalalagyan...

Back to my question, how do I use the pads efficiently... un bang kahit konti lng ung wax, it would still spread the wax evenly sa part...
And lastly, ganu katagal ko dapat hintayin maghaze ung wax before removing?
thanks in advance for the help!

Comment: The good thing I find in Mothers FX Synwax is that its very easy to remove.
Post ko ung first ever wax job ko...