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[madkatz]

mga bonding issue na to ah. polymer to polymer. make sense also...
how do i improve the durabilty of the m21? do i need to apply paint cleaner? confused na ako...

tama ba to...

Paint cleaner muna bago ako mag AG SRP then wait to cure for 30mins then apply m21 then cure again for 8-10hrs or more then apply next gen 2.0? and pwede ko ba gamitin yung car pag kalagay ng m21?

out of stock kasi yung paint cleaner ng megs dito.. ano maganda pamalit as paint cleaner? meron yung claykit clener wax kaso diba hindi yun paint cleaner. my wax yun so hindi ok pang cleaning...

my QD ako dito pwede ba yung pang clean?

well even if you use a cleaning QD on your paint you still can't get it 100% clean so you're better off with a pre-wax cleaner or a clay bar, claybars a more expensive but its well worth it, prewax cleaners are really cheap actually mothers has one for less than 500 i think, if you're thinking about using a QD for cleaning the paint you're better off using 50:50 dilution of isopropyl alcohol to clean the paint, thats what we use to remove oils from polishes to check if the correction has been or just filled

[Nik]

guys tanong lang..O.A. na ba masyado kung ganto gagawin ko?

1. Megs clay kit
2. megs deep crystal system cleaner wax (pure cleaner ba ho to? hindi ba nag babawas clearcoat?)
3. megs colorX (ano ba talaga ginagawa nito? bawas clearcoat?) eto sana para pang paganda ng paint .. parang salamin ulit at lumabas yung kulay talaga..
4. m21 (eto sealant ko para mawala swirls)
5. NXT 2.0 (sa looks para muka mirror)
6. 476s (protection)

san po dyan dapat ko tangalin na step? may mas mganda ba kesa sa mga product sa bawat step na plano ko? suggestions please.. salamat

[madkatz]

guys tanong lang..O.A. na ba masyado kung ganto gagawin ko?

1. Megs clay kit
2. megs deep crystal system cleaner wax (pure cleaner ba ho to? hindi ba nag babawas clearcoat?)
3. megs colorX (ano ba talaga ginagawa nito? bawas clearcoat?) eto sana para pang paganda ng paint .. parang salamin ulit at lumabas yung kulay talaga..
4. m21 (eto sealant ko para mawala swirls)
5. NXT 2.0 (sa looks para muka mirror)
6. 476s (protection)

san po dyan dapat ko tangalin na step? may mas mganda ba kesa sa mga product sa bawat step na plano ko? suggestions please.. salamat

i would say you're better off with this

1. Megs clay kit

2. megs deep crystal system cleaner wax (pure cleaner ba ho to? hindi ba nag babawas clearcoat?) - it does but its negligible, meaning it does not make any difference its that safe for the paint you can't actually consider it reducing the clear coat

3. megs colorX (ano ba talaga ginagawa nito? bawas clearcoat?) eto sana para pang paganda ng paint .. parang salamin ulit at lumabas yung kulay talaga.. this is actually a cleaner wax with more aggressive abrasives so kinda stay away from this if you don't need it

4. m21 (eto sealant ko para mawala swirls)

5. NXT 2.0 (sa looks para muka mirror) m21 is better at giving you that mirror look, NXT just fills better than m21

6. 476s (protection)


you could even just do this

1. clay kit
2. megs step 2
3. m21
4. 476

and you'll also get great results, no need to overkill the procedure, detailing has to be fun and a little easy so try to simplify the steps, its true that all those steps might lead to a better finish but some steps can be omitted and still produce great results, for me colorX and NXT can be omitted even step 1 and 2 if the paint is in great condition, but then again m21 is very expensive hehehe

[Nik]

you could even just do this

1. clay kit
2. megs step 2
3. m21
4. 476

and you'll also get great results, no need to overkill the procedure, detailing has to be fun and a little easy so try to simplify the steps, its true that all those steps might lead to a better finish but some steps can be omitted and still produce great results, for me colorX and NXT can be omitted even step 1 and 2 if the paint is in great condition, but then again m21 is very expensive hehehe

mam pano sa "looks" yung wetlook na sinasabi ng NXT.. kung aalisin ko si NXT. pano na kikintab yung auto. si m21 ba o si 476 ang mag papakintab?? ano po yung megs step2? yung dipcrystal system paint cleaner or yung system polish?? (ayaw ko po gumamit ng abrasive na products, kun gmadami na talaga swirls sa expert ko nalang papagawa)

[madkatz]

mam pano sa "looks" yung wetlook na sinasabi ng NXT.. kung aalisin ko si NXT. pano na kikintab yung auto. si m21 ba o si 476 ang mag papakintab?? ano po yung megs step2? yung dipcrystal system paint cleaner or yung system polish?? (ayaw ko po gumamit ng abrasive na products, kun gmadami na talaga swirls sa expert ko nalang papagawa)

NXT is good in terms of looks thats true but collinite 476 isn't that bad either, but if you'll be using m21 then this is definitely better at giving you that mirror shine, m21 is better for me at gloss and reflectivity, NXT at depth and warmth, but if you already have m21 then its already enough, you could still go for m21 NXT and then 476 but be sure to note the curing time for waxes, its the deep crystal polish, it has some abrasives but you couldn't actually consider it to reduce your clear coat, its very safe to use that even if you use it for the next 10 years you still have clear coat left, and using step 2 will increase the clarifty of your paint, hmmm why not try to bring it over and attend this sunday if PSI gives the final go signal?

[Nik]

not sure pa po if makakapunta ko.. mag church po kasi kami with family.

thanks at ok pala ang system polish !! ^_^ so yun ang gagamitin ko pong CLEANER??

m21 VS NXT = ano po suggestion nyo ? bibili palang po kasi ako kaya nag iisip na para hindi masayang money. sino mas nakaka pag seal sakanila? durability?

meaning po ng depth and warmth?? gusto ko po sana wax na makakapag paitim

[PSI]

Hi guys.... sowi...dami meetings.... all work no detailing makes PSI a dull detailer BWAHAHAHAHA


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[madkatz]

not sure pa po if makakapunta ko.. mag church po kasi kami with family.

thanks at ok pala ang system polish !! ^_^ so yun ang gagamitin ko pong CLEANER??

m21 VS NXT = ano po suggestion nyo ? bibili palang po kasi ako kaya nag iisip na para hindi masayang money. sino mas nakaka pag seal sakanila? durability?

meaning po ng depth and warmth?? gusto ko po sana wax na makakapag paitim

yes you could use that as a cleaner but step 1 still cleans better, step 2 is more on enhancing gloss

honestly m21 is very expensive and thats the only reason why i don't recommend it as much but if you ask me m21 wins two hands down and it definitely offers far superior protection and gloss

thats actually what warmth and depth is, its the sort of deeper liquid look and sort of darker as well so for that look its NXT for you

[madkatz]

*jmpet626: heres the link to my post

http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/...t-bonding.html

i actually feel like i didn't get my answer regarding the topic but anyways, see we've just tested some glazes topped with KSG and we noticed that it does in a noticeable way affect the sealants durability, so i was asking for the good ones and i didn't quite get my answer but anyways, i found my answer from our mentor he recommended an acrylic glaze he said he'll ship over to us from the US its a purely acrylic glaze that makes KSG and polymers bond to it properly, its one of the few glazes that doesn't have any oils in it, but it costs a damn 150$ for 64oz but we're taking the bite since we can pay him later at September. and PB blackhole also works great on sealants so far, but we're still on the 6th week mark of checking its effect on KSG, i just hope it can last longer and not affect KSG at all so far all other glazes with KSG have already died down on beading and shine and right now only PB blackhole stands strong

also regarding the scratches, remember the hoods you guys used to practice rotary buffing? i've already tried wet sanding the thing and buffing it out again but it still has swirls in it, and if you look close enough i think its like the panel has been paint and then swirled and then painted again with clear coat because no matter how many times we compound the panel the same scratches always appear, so right now we're ruling out surface defect it looks like a painting defect already i think the painter got lazy and just sprayed on some clear coat without properly checking if the surface was swirl free before wet sanding the panel and laying the CC

[jmpet626]

*jmpet626: heres the link to my post

http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/...t-bonding.html

i actually feel like i didn't get my answer regarding the topic but anyways, see we've just tested some glazes topped with KSG and we noticed that it does in a noticeable way affect the sealants durability, so i was asking for the good ones and i didn't quite get my answer but anyways, i found my answer from our mentor he recommended an acrylic glaze he said he'll ship over to us from the US its a purely acrylic glaze that makes KSG and polymers bond to it properly, its one of the few glazes that doesn't have any oils in it, but it costs a damn 150$ for 64oz but we're taking the bite since we can pay him later at September. and PB blackhole also works great on sealants so far, but we're still on the 6th week mark of checking its effect on KSG, i just hope it can last longer and not affect KSG at all so far all other glazes with KSG have already died down on beading and shine and right now only PB blackhole stands strong

also regarding the scratches, remember the hoods you guys used to practice rotary buffing? i've already tried wet sanding the thing and buffing it out again but it still has swirls in it, and if you look close enough i think its like the panel has been paint and then swirled and then painted again with clear coat because no matter how many times we compound the panel the same scratches always appear, so right now we're ruling out surface defect it looks like a painting defect already i think the painter got lazy and just sprayed on some clear coat without properly checking if the surface was swirl free before wet sanding the panel and laying the CC

Parang neutral yung sagot ni mike walang product na na recommend talaga/ Pero i think para maging fair sa mga suppliers nila since ang dami nilang products na inoofer sa autogeek.

[madkatz]

Parang neutral yung sagot ni mike walang product na na recommend talaga/ Pero i think para maging fair sa mga suppliers nila since ang dami nilang products na inoofer sa autogeek.

yeah i guess you're right, but he did mention m03 machine glaze and m81 hand glaze, i've already tried both but im still with PB blackhole glaze-wise

[Nik]

salamat mam NXT na po gagamitin ko darker paint need ko kasi haha Bold beige kasi color ng honda city namin... sagwa pag light color eh hehe..

how much yung m21? gano ba sya kamahal?

ano po magandang step1 na meguiars.. mejo nalilito na ako ..

step1 clay step 2 polish step3 wax o mali ba?

[jmpet626]

*rockstar5k

kelan ka kuha polisher? Sabay na tayo punta sa sunday!

[rockstar5k]

*rockstar5k

kelan ka kuha polisher? Sabay na tayo punta sa sunday!

hindi pa rin ako makapag-decide kung bnd or pc, e. . text kita sunday morning kung tuloy ako after lunch.

[Nik]

salamat mam NXT na po gagamitin ko darker paint need ko kasi haha Bold beige kasi color ng honda city namin... sagwa pag light color eh hehe..

how much yung m21? gano ba sya kamahal?

ano po magandang step1 na meguiars.. mejo nalilito na ako ..

step1 clay step 2 polish step3 wax o mali ba?

after ko mag basa basa ng konti , yung step 1 is mga cleaners? tapos step 2 pang polish?

so bukod sa DC system polish need ko din ng DC paint cleaner as my step 2 and 1??

[madkatz]

after ko mag basa basa ng konti , yung step 1 is mga cleaners? tapos step 2 pang polish?

so bukod sa DC system polish need ko din ng DC paint cleaner as my step 2 and 1??

step 1 = yes its cleaners that clean the paint of any contaminants making it ready to accept polishes and waxes

step 2 = usually used after step one to bring more gloss to the paint and then followed by wax

so yes its either Megs Step 1 and 2 or Moms Step 1 and 2

[madkatz]

salamat mam NXT na po gagamitin ko darker paint need ko kasi haha Bold beige kasi color ng honda city namin... sagwa pag light color eh hehe..

how much yung m21? gano ba sya kamahal?

ano po magandang step1 na meguiars.. mejo nalilito na ako ..

step1 clay step 2 polish step3 wax o mali ba?

hmmm if its beige better just go for a wax thats great for white and light cars like collinite liquid sapphire, it can really make it stand out by making the paint really look clean

the m21 costs up to 1.5 to 2k for the 16 oz

there is such a product as Meguiars Step 1, both mothers and megs step 1 are great products and they're basically the same, megs and mothers step 2 is the one that has a more noticeable difference.

it would be, clay then step 1, then step 2, then wax

[Nik]

mam madkatz gusto ko po sana maging darker pa yung color eh. ayaw ko maging light color sya lalo dami nyo po nabibigay na info.. salamat

question: after mag carwash sa CASA.. bakit mukang dark yung bold beige namin? ano kaya yung nilalagay nila para maging darker yung color.. gusto ko talaga mas maging dark pa... TIA..

[weszt]

well even if you use a cleaning QD on your paint you still can't get it 100% clean so you're better off with a pre-wax cleaner or a clay bar, claybars a more expensive but its well worth it, prewax cleaners are really cheap actually mothers has one for less than 500 i think, if you're thinking about using a QD for cleaning the paint you're better off using 50:50 dilution of isopropyl alcohol to clean the paint, thats what we use to remove oils from polishes to check if the correction has been or just filled

san ko po pwede isingit yung pag lagay ng isopropyl alcohol diluted with water? after mag AG SRP or before?

[kafph2000]

Bad day..

Tinamaan ata ng small stone yung hood ko, nagkadimple tuloy..

May remedy pa kaya to? tsk tsk! haaay