Detailing Thread [For Newbies][ARCHIVED]

[madkatz]

Hey folks! Been following this thread for some time now, although hindi ko pa rin nababasa lahat (May naka basa na ba ng LAHAT ng post dito sa thread? Bilib ako kung meron! ) I missed the first seminar, I won't miss this one May puwede mag bigay ng directions? Dalhin ko Black Vios ko, kung gusto niyo din gawin guinea pig, ayos lang.

Since I'm here na rin, may question na rin ako. I actually made my first attempt at detailing yesterday! Unfortunately, biglang umulan right after I washed the car! Pag minalas ka nga naman...

Anyway, nung humupa na ulan (covered naman garage, pero open sides) I did a quick clean, then I clayed the entire car. Galing! Talagang nagiging smooth after running the clay over several times. Pero may ibang ayaw talaga matanggal First question - any way to remove those really stubborn stuff? Not sure what they are, eh. Will check it later.

Since feeling ko malapit na umulan uli, I decided to just do the trunk. (Please correct me if may ginawa ako mali or if you have suggestions.) I started with Mother's pre-cleaner wax. This confused me because I know dapat polish pero sa dami ng binasa ko, hindi ko na alam kung ano ang example ng mga polishes. So I thought, Step 1, I guess it's safe to use this. I expected to have some swirls and scratches removed, pero very, very light scratches lang nawala. Wipe on wipe off din ito? Necessary ba ang pre-cleaner or dapat polish na? What are some of the recommended polishes?

This brings me to my next step, I used Mother's Step 2 Sealant and Glaze. Noticeable yung linis, pero I was expecting na mawawala na yung mga scratches. (Yung scratches na brought about by wiping your car with lumang t-shirt na may halong polyster, hehe. Pero not me! Former owner! ) Is this supposed to be able to remove the light scratches and swirls? Should I have rubbed the compound in harder? Wipe on wipe off din ito, right?

Finally, nag hanap ako ng wax. I was looking for Mother's Step 3, pero they only had Synwax. Late ko na lang na basa na mas maganda talaga carnauba for black to give it depth, tama ba? Oh well...

I understand that for pure sealants like Synwax, dapat may 12-24 hour curing time? Well, since I was just trying it out, nag apply na din ako after step 2 (trunk lang naman). The results? Pretty nice shine, although I was hoping parang more depth. Feeling ko could be shinier if walang mga scratch marks. Also, was not sure kung WOWO din ito; kailangan ba ipa-dry muna?

Anyway, so much for my first attempt. Kinda disappointed; feeling ko baka mali mga gamit ko and baka mali pag gawa ko. That's why I need to attend sa Sunday!!! Gusto ko talaga mawala yung mga scratches...

Haaayyyy... inputs? BTW, ang main concern ko is protection; pero siyempre kung puwedeng pagandahin, bakit hindi, di ba?

Salamat in advance, and pasensya na kung mahaba post ko

Procedure is always clay first before applying pre-wax cleaner, there are a lot of pre-wax cleaners out there and most have different levels of cut and functions and effects, there are some just remove old layers of wax and sealants, some are a little more aggressive in the sense that some can remove ultra fine swirls and scratches, after using the pre-wax cleaner you apply a glaze, the moms step 2 glaze has very very mild polishes that just helps improve the gloss nothing more, it can't really do any proper correction on the paint its just for gloss and it contains fillers that can hide swirls temporarily, if you want to remove the scratches and swirls permanently then you should really use a polish, and yes Step 2 is a wipe on wipe off product, but with some people they get better results when the work the product a little bit by going over it for a few more passes. Synwax is also good in terms that for me it provides better protection and the shine lasts longer, synwax has a more reflective and mirror shine as compared to carnauba's but you could always slap on a layer of carnauba on top of synwax, for this you might want to try and cure it for 8 hours, synwax for me is a little different since for me its really not a pure sealant as compared to carlack and other acrylic sealants. if you really want the scratches to go away, you might have to buy 2 products, one is swirlX and one is scratchX, you use swirlx for light swirls and scratches, and scratchx for the deeper ones.

[madkatz]

kailangan ba patuyuin yung nano-glos before i-buff? i tried it on my dad's car hoping to conceal the swirls.... apply using the straight line method then buff off after 5 mins... andun parin yung swirls... or masyado na malala yung swirls para sa nanoglos pag ganun?

NO!!! hahahaha well theoretically it should be left to dry, but i've always had problems with that wax if i leave it too long to dry, its a lot harder to remove once its dry pretty much like collinite, so what i do is wipe on wipe off, either that or when you're waxing try putting in under the sun for some reason that wax loves heat and becomes a lot easier to remove when its a little hot, but then again its not always a good idea to bake the paint and wax under the sun so my suggestion is just stick with the WOWO, there are really some swirls that can't be removed by Nano Glos, if thats the case then its already a bit too deep.

[Starex_Gold]

weszt: Mukhang motivated ka nang mag detail ng Optra mo ah

Ano nga pala color nun?

[PSI]

GUYS...........
next sun (07.04.10) there will be a seminar on the following topics:

1) PRODUCT DETAILS (how to use and descriptions of various products)

2) DEGRIMMING (yung pagtangal ng mga dumi sa singit singit. EX:yung mga libag sa gilid ng emblem ng oto natin)

3) WHEELS

4) POLISING (will include proper way of using the unano (nonrotating) and other buffing machines)

PLACE: CALOOCAN (house ni MASTER EDWIN :vader: )
TIME: 8:30 sharp

this will only be a half day affair, if we won't be able to finish it there will be a 2nd part. Thus, will try to add more topics probably engine detailing on the second day.

VARIOUS DETAILING PRODUCTS will be available
kindly IM me the products you need and will let you know if it will be available and the price.

* MADKATZ....sowi for the confusion (napuno po ba inbox ninyo ) hope to see you there.....

PEOPLE WHO WILL BE ATTENDING
1) PSI
2) bombitmd
3)
4)
5)

*bombitmd=== where will you be coming from?

[weszt]

*starex gold


hahaha napadetail ko na dati yun last sept pa. pina detail ko sa nag dedetail ng mga honda cars nag sarili kya yun sideline nya..hehe

[madkatz]

Newbie here:

ok po ba ang product line k for the 1st DIY...hehe step 1 to 5

1. armor-all carwash
I haven't tried this yet so i can't comment on it so far

2. Meguiar's Smooth Surface clay kit
Good choice if you want the clay container, if you have a spare make shift clay container try the mothers brand for a larger clay bar.

3. Meguiar's Ultimate compound or Scratch X 2.0 or deep crystal paint cleaner ? ( ano kaya sa 3 dito ) ?
this depends on what you want to tackle, if its heavy oxidation and swirls then go for UC, if its just minor swirls and very light scratches go for SwirlX, Scratch X 2.0 is a bit too expensive IMO so i just use this for spot treatment, and the Deep Crystal Step 1 is a bit too light to remove anything but moderate to fine scratches and swirl marks.

4. Meguiar's deep crystal paint polish or Meguiar's car glaze ????
If you're using the M20 then i would suggest using the paint polish since they both go well together, megs car glazes, whether the show car glaze or new car glaze leaves oils on the paint that might affect the bonding abilities of m20 towards the paint.

5. Meguiar's Synthetic sealant 2.0 ?
this is a little expensive but if you can afford it its well worth it, but if you could squeeze a little more budget on your pocket try to get some Carlack NSC and LLS from Big Berts, they are two hands down better than the m20, the m20 has a nice shine that definitely lasts longer than most OTC waxes but its pretty much just good on the looks department durability is ok and is still better than most OTC waxes but Carlack LLS definitely lasts a lot longer.

6. Meguiar's wax...

which wax are you planning on using? gold class carnauba plus looks damn good on blacks but also falls a little short on durability, NXT is great for filling swirls and scratches and you could take advantage of is hyprophobic technology especially nowadays its raining, again this depends on your goals i've only commented on the two most popular waxes from Megs but the #26 high tech yellow wax, the standard 3rd step in the 3step process of meguiars accredited detailers, is also not half bad and looks great on most cars which makes it versatile and it also lasts a little longer than some OTC's

[weszt]

* starex gold

yung sayo ata nabenta mo na eh.

color silver idetail ko pag uwi ko sa aug. dito kasi ako sg eh. my Zaino dito kaso ang mahal eh....hahaha

[weszt]

madkatz
heavy ng ang swirl ng optra ko eh then my mga parang stains n sya ng konti.. sorry po ano po yung m20 means ung synthetic sealant po ba? ok ill use the paint polish not the glaze..

gusto ko kasi ng kalalbasan ng silver kong otto eh malalim na deep...hehe


after the clay kit pwede na agad mag apply ng ultimate compound then polish na agad diba po? yung sealant pwede po ba na 8 hours lang curing time nya? after the curing time apply n ako ng ultimate quik wax ok nga madkatz yung zaino dito sg kaso ang mahal eh.


gagamitin ko po eh yung ultimate quik wax ng megs...hehe thanks sa reply

[Chikselog]

Freakin' rain again. Caused flooding all around Manila.

Cool thing is, though, when I reached for the car to go home, lahat ng tubig bilog bilog hahaha. And it has very few watermarks.

Thank GOD for ONR! It made my cleaning a lot easier. Pang tamad talaga haha. Tires at wheel wells lang di ko nalinis dahil pagod na ko. 9PM na ako nakauwi.

2 hours ang byahe ko ngayon from school to our house dahil sa pesteng baha.

Now my clutch is squeaking again .

*madkatz
I dunno if glass polishing can solve the problem. Thing is tuwing tuloy tuloy lang ang ulan which means laging basa ang windshield, tsaka siya nagjjudder at squeak. Something's telling me na sa wiper ang problema. Ang pagiging silicone ba ng wiper may kinalaman sa pag judder?

[scharnhorst]

^^^ absolutely the same problem here.

pag prolonged na yung rain saka nagjujudder.

tiningnan ko yung OEM wiper... NWB.

contemplating on getting bosch wipers