Pearl & Candy Colored Paints Fade Easy?

[baludoy]

is it true that pearlized and candy colored paints easily fade or easily lose their luster and sheen?

[niky]

No. But it depends on what kind. If you spend less than 30-40k on the set-up, you're generally screwed. It's those cheapo-cheapo jobs that fade easily.

The expensive ones, like on showcars or those that come stock on Hondas and Isuzus aren't prone to fading.

Meng's Violeta (fordclubph.com's purple Lynx showcar) has been going on the circuit for over a year, and still looks okay. But that's a 150k plus paint job. But midpriced jobs are okay... My dad's pearlescent green Crosswind is four years old, and is never parked indoors... still looks the same as ever... that job is only worth about 40-50k at the dealership, so it's not really expensive paint.

[baludoy]

^hmmm...i was quoted a paintjob of 30k. the paint that would be used is dupont. i saw their preps and products and pulido ang trabaho plus malinis and covered iyong shop. but what's giving me anxiety is the fade easy issue i heard w/ regards to the pearlescent color (any pearlescent color for that matter) i'm favoring

[niky]

If it's dupont, it should be okay (but I could be wrong... try to find out what Honda/Isuzu use for their cars). It really depends on how well it's done. I've seen some really crappy pearlescent fading, but it appears that the paint itself didn't stick well to the primer.

[baludoy]

ok bro. salamat

[theveed]

Chime in lang ako.

Your observation is correct actually, most "candy" tone colors like red na bright (see 2001 Honda Civic, BMW Z3 and other "stock" bright red) paints are usually painted with a PRE-MIXED clearcoat + pigmented paint and not a typical 2-stage Base + Clear method.

NOTE: I'm talking about OEM, out-of-the-factory finishes, not repainted cars

I don't know what certain paints aren't treated with a more-common Base+Clear layered painting method, but bright red, white, and certain greens are sprayed with a single-mixed method.

With this method, paint SEEMS to oxidize faster compared to a 2-stage process, but in fact, it doesn't oxidize any faster than the usual method. Mas pansinin lang ang pag oxidize dahil yung color layer agad ang tinamaan ng oxidation as opposed to a 2-stage method na yung clear ang tinamaan (which is less visible).

There must be a reason why these shades are painted in such a manner, di ko lang alam why.

DuPont, PPG, etc all have this "pre-mixed" clear+base paint available.

[baludoy]

^sir, does your explanation and observation also apply to pearlescent tone colors too?

[theveed]

Baludoy: Honestly, I'm not quite sure since OEM pearlescent shades are usually limited to current models like the ones released by Toyota and Honda... and those 2 use a 2-stage approach in painting pearlescent finishes. So I haven't experienced or worked with an OEM single-stage pearlescent finish.

As noted, repainted cars are not counted.

[zx6rr]

what brand of paint ung ok na pearl colors..

[baludoy]

thanks bos theveed. btw, what does the paint protection service you offer in your shop do? would it help maintain the luster of the paint? how much does it cost and for how long is its effectivity? and does it take long to apply?

[empy]

pearlescent colors should NOT fade if done properly with the correct base + clear process. even non-OEM finishes can last a very long time if done properly.

basically, the only difference between solid, metallic and pearlescent finish is the materials used in the basecoat:

solids = pigment only
metallic = pigment + metal flakes
pearls = pigment + mineral flakes, usually mica

i've personally painted parts with pearl colors that have not faded. no experience with "candy" colors, but have personally seen some really cheap looking jobs (maybe a single stage, like theveed mentioned) that look like they never had any decent luster to begin with...so maybe that's where this perception started.

i have no idea why somebody would do a single stage pearl in this day and age....but as long as you have a good painter that performs a two stage or base + clear paint process you should have a shiny and durable finish for years

[baludoy]

^salamat bos. it's a bit too technical for me but i do get the gist of your post (same goes w/ bro niky's and bro theveed's post). thanks for the heads-up mga bos at least di na ko completely ignorante pag dating sa mga kailangan i-clarify ko uli sa shop

[wildthing]

try mo "house of kolors" na paint kilala ito sa US and have a phil seller (found in the seller of meguires sa kamuning extension).

AFIK their paint and technology will not fade easily.

[joem]

Sir, how about standox? is it ok?