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    Why are locally fabricated vehicles mostly AUVs or OTJs?

    Which type of vehicle should a Pinoy manufacturer make? Which type of Pinoy vehicle would you be interested in having?

    1) asian utility vehicle (AUV)
    2) city car (hatchback)
    3) jeepney
    4) multi-purpose vehicle (MPV)
    5) neighborhood electric vehicle
    6) owner type jeep (OTJ)
    7) pick up
    8) sedan
    9) sports car
    10) sports three-wheeler
    11) station wagon
    12) sport utility vehicle (SUV)
    13) utility three-wheeler (tricycle)

    Which low cost fabrication method should the Pinoy manufacturer use?

    1) cut and bend sheet metal
    2) fiberglass

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    just my opinion. Gusto ko lang ma-phase-out (sana) ang mga lumang dyip.

    Which type of vehicle should a Pinoy manufacturer make? Which type of Pinoy vehicle would you be interested in having?
    3) jeepney
    yung Ilonggo type (body-size) at "cabanatuan" ang caha..
    just my opinion. Gusto ko lang ma-phase-out (sana) ang mga lumang dyip.

    Which low cost fabrication method should the Pinoy manufacturer use?
    1) cut and bend sheet metal
    fiberglass? nabibilang yata sa daliri ang may alam gumawa (locally) nun... not sure of this.

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    hirap naman pumili. depende sa paggagamitan e.

    pero ang mga pinoy hilig bumili ng pang maramihan. multi-purpose talaga ang unang sasakyan nilang bibilhin kung di sigurado na makakabili pa sila ng isa pang sasakyan.

    gusto ng buyer yung fiberglass pero yung manufacturer gusto mabilis gawin.

    multi-purpose vehicle ang boto ko.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OyiL View Post
    hirap naman pumili. depende sa paggagamitan e.

    pero ang mga pinoy hilig bumili ng pang maramihan. multi-purpose talaga ang unang sasakyan nilang bibilhin kung di sigurado na makakabili pa sila ng isa pang sasakyan.

    gusto ng buyer yung fiberglass pero yung manufacturer gusto mabilis gawin.

    multi-purpose vehicle ang boto ko.

    AUV or owner type jeep.

    Pero mukhang Delta mini cruiser lahat hehehe

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    The perfect pinoy car.


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    Quote Originally Posted by KERSMcRae View Post
    just my opinion. Gusto ko lang ma-phase-out (sana) ang mga lumang dyip.
    Ako din.

    Dapat kasi improve ang itsura at gawa ng dyipni.
    Last edited by jpdm; October 15th, 2009 at 12:06 AM.

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    Given the kind of environmental challenges motorists will be facing,
    vehicles should be light enough to include or accommodate flotation devices.
    We are an archipelago, with a long coastline, teeming with rivers, deforested,
    with rains now all year round, and flood-prone.
    If climate change becomes severe -- and you never can tell -- it might be wise
    to start designing light amphibious vehicles that are "green" too.
    This is the design challenge.
    Not funny anymore.
    Last edited by dprox; October 15th, 2009 at 08:02 AM.
    [SIZE="1"]DESIGN is the missing link in the Philippine auto industry.[/SIZE]

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    Quote Originally Posted by dprox View Post
    Given the kind of environmental challenges motorists will be facing,
    vehicles should be light enough to include or accommodate flotation devices.
    We are an archipelago, with a long coastline, teeming with rivers, deforested,
    with rains now all year round, and flood-prone.
    If climate change becomes severe -- and you never can tell -- it might be wise
    to start designing light amphibious vehicles that are "green" too.
    This is the design challenge.
    Not funny anymore.
    This is an example of the kind of knee-jerk reaction why pinoys don't really progress. They do not plan for the future nor remember past events beyond what short term memory retains.

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    This bizarre and crudely made vehicle widely used by people living in far flung farming rural areas in the Philippines. Nueva Ecija and Pangasinan are known to produce this vehicle. And during the recent massive flooding in Pangasinan, this vehicle became handy in the streets of the province...



    Kuliglig..
    Last edited by jpdm; October 15th, 2009 at 09:46 AM.

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    Amphibs have never truly been successful... we'll need innovation to make one that's actually affordable.

    It's possible to make one with the resources we have locally... but, as ever, cost is the major problem.

    Ang pagbalik ng comeback...

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    Amphibian cars fail with civilians because of two things:

    -amphibian cars are slow & clumsy on the road.
    -amphibian cars are slow & clumsy in the water.

    enough said.

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    Yah! I agree sana ma phase out na yung design na yun. Actually hindi naman din sa atin nang-galing yung design ng jeepney natin. Sa military vehicle yun ng US nang galing, ginaya lang din. correct me if im wrong pero yan po kasi alam ko.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ghosthunter View Post
    Amphibian cars fail with civilians because of two things:

    -amphibian cars are slow & clumsy on the road.
    -amphibian cars are slow & clumsy in the water.

    enough said.
    So... how about we do that "Wild Thornberries" type vehicle we were talking about? All we'll need is a quick-inflation device off of a life-boat (probably recharge it with an engine-run air compressor)... and that driveshaft attached propeller I was suggesting to you the other day.

    We'll sell them to the government for 2m each... based on Crosswind XTis. I'll split the 800k profit with you on each unit.

    Ang pagbalik ng comeback...

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    Quote Originally Posted by niky View Post
    So... how about we do that "Wild Thornberries" type vehicle we were talking about? All we'll need is a quick-inflation device off of a life-boat (probably recharge it with an engine-run air compressor)... and that driveshaft attached propeller I was suggesting to you the other day.

    We'll sell them to the government for 2m each... based on Crosswind XTis. I'll split the 800k profit with you on each unit.
    I'd still go with my diesel pickup based version of the solution. Water propulsion can be based around a jetboat drive. Why? less chance of the prop getting tangled with flood debris nor chopping up people who happen to float nearby.
    Last edited by ghosthunter; October 17th, 2009 at 11:51 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ghosthunter View Post
    I'd still go with my diesel pickup based version of the solution. Water propulsion can be based around a jetboat drive. Why? less chance of the prop getting tangled with flood debris nor chopping up people who happen to float nearby.
    Shroud and wire mesh... and if the mesh gets clogged up... stuff the drivetrain in reverse to unclog it.

    A pickup WOULD be easier... plenty of low-cost ones to pick frm... Isuzu IPV, Ford's Ranger-based one... Foton...

    Ang pagbalik ng comeback...

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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schwimmwagen



    The VW Type 128 and 166 Schwimmwagen (literally Floating / Swimming Car) were amphibious all-wheel-drive off-roaders, used extensively by the German Wehrmacht and the Waffen-SS during the Second World War. The Type 166 is the most numerous mass-produced amphibious car in history.
    Last edited by donbuggy; October 17th, 2009 at 10:16 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by niky View Post
    Shroud and wire mesh... and if the mesh gets clogged up... stuff the drivetrain in reverse to unclog it.
    The prop would have to be mounted away from the body and low enough to work properly in the water. But that would mean the prop would be sitting low and near the road as well. Potential damage if something big is run over by the vehicle, like a rock.

    A jet drive keeps all the mechanism tucked away within the vehicle's chassis. The only thing exposed is the jet nozzle and that doesn't have to be underwater to work.

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    How much HP do you need for the jet? Surplus Jetski parts okay?

    Darn it, our cut is getting lower... we can still sell at 2m.

    Ang pagbalik ng comeback...

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    Quote Originally Posted by niky View Post
    How much HP do you need for the jet? Surplus Jetski parts okay?

    Darn it, our cut is getting lower... we can still sell at 2m.
    Since we are going to move a big heavy car, it would probably be better to use the water jet from a jetboat. Or twin jetski water jets would be workable.

    Jetski jets use 200 to 500cc engines.

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    Instead of tricyles or owner sana ganito na lang in the near future
    Last edited by jpdm; October 20th, 2009 at 12:53 PM.

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