Tsikoteers Redesign MVPMAP PhUV

[fourtheboys96]

By the way, what is hype all about with regards to electric vehicles?

No tail-pipe emissions? Still doesn't mean it is environment-friendly. It depends on how we produce electricity.

[ghosthunter]

By the way, what is hype all about with regards to electric vehicles?

No tail-pipe emissions? Still doesn't mean it is environment-friendly. It depends on how we produce electricity.

I agree, electric cars still depend on electricity produced elsewhere like coal fired power-stations which still end up polluting the environment.

The plus side of electric cars is you can produce electricity cleaner like using alternative power produced via wind, solar, hydro, geo-thermal, etc which have a lower impact on the environment.

[niky]

Actually, the Philippines has one of the highest (don't know if it's highest overall) percentages of electricity produced by renewables, thanks to our hydroelectric and geothermal plants.

And due to the scale of electrical production, an e-vehicle's carbon footprint, even if the electricity comes from coal, is smaller on a per-kilometer basis.

The problem, as always, is price.

[ghosthunter]

Actually, the Philippines has one of the highest (don't know if it's highest overall) percentages of electricity produced by renewables, thanks to our hydroelectric and geothermal plants.

Yet despite of it being such, we are paying among one of the most expensive electricity in the world.

And due to the scale of electrical production, an e-vehicle's carbon footprint, even if the electricity comes from coal, is smaller on a per-kilometer basis.

The problem, as always, is price.

But a vehicle's carbon footprint is not only measured by the power it needs to run. It is also measured in the amount required to manufacture it. Also the wastes generated by the manufacturing, use and disposal of the vehicle and how much of the materials of the vehicle is recyclable.

One of the main problems of electric cars is the battery, a big source of environmental toxins if not handled properly (especially a bigger problem given we do not have recycling centers to handle such items). A standard petrol car will only have one. But electric cars (example: ejeepney) will have twelve lead-acid batteries which will need to be replaced every 12 to 18 months of operation. (Do note that other electric cars use different batteries like lithium ion, etc which lasts longer but are more expensive to manufacture.)

Can you imagine a fleet of 100 ejeepneys producing 1,200 units of old lead acid batteries every year?

[fourtheboys96]

life cycle analysis will do the job of determining the carbon footprint.

with regards to batteries, the issue of useful life and disposal/re-use/recycling thereafter can be addressed with the current available technology usually developed abroad.

so it will eventually comes down to costs and benefits. even if the cost of necessary technology and other social costs is huge, as long as the social benefit is larger, it will be better for us to push through with the project or electric vehicles in this case.

[niky]

Yet despite of it being such, we are paying among one of the most expensive electricity in the world.

Actually, not "despite"... more like "because". Renewable energy power plants are not really cheap to run.

But a vehicle's carbon footprint is not only measured by the power it needs to run. It is also measured in the amount required to manufacture it. Also the wastes generated by the manufacturing, use and disposal of the vehicle and how much of the materials of the vehicle is recyclable.

Which is why I said the problem is the price. As this directly reflects those issues.

One of the main problems of electric cars is the battery, a big source of environmental toxins if not handled properly (especially a bigger problem given we do not have recycling centers to handle such items). A standard petrol car will only have one. But electric cars (example: ejeepney) will have twelve lead-acid batteries which will need to be replaced every 12 to 18 months of operation. (Do note that other electric cars use different batteries like lithium ion, etc which lasts longer but are more expensive to manufacture.)

Can you imagine a fleet of 100 ejeepneys producing 1,200 units of old lead acid batteries every year?

well... if the demand grows big enough, battery recycling centers can grow around the e-vehicle scene. In fact, the trade in secondhand and reconditioned batteries may get a boost from the e-vehicle industry... the cottage industry revolving around e-vehicles in the US makes battery rebuilding and recycling a good business.

Still, until the price sticking point is addressed, as well as the cost of maintenance (battery replacement), widespread adoption of EVs is unlikely.

[niky]

Yet despite of it being such, we are paying among one of the most expensive electricity in the world.

Actually, not "despite"... more like "because". Renewable energy power plants are not really cheap to run.

But a vehicle's carbon footprint is not only measured by the power it needs to run. It is also measured in the amount required to manufacture it. Also the wastes generated by the manufacturing, use and disposal of the vehicle and how much of the materials of the vehicle is recyclable.

Which is why I said the problem is the price. As this directly reflects those issues.

One of the main problems of electric cars is the battery, a big source of environmental toxins if not handled properly (especially a bigger problem given we do not have recycling centers to handle such items). A standard petrol car will only have one. But electric cars (example: ejeepney) will have twelve lead-acid batteries which will need to be replaced every 12 to 18 months of operation. (Do note that other electric cars use different batteries like lithium ion, etc which lasts longer but are more expensive to manufacture.)

Can you imagine a fleet of 100 ejeepneys producing 1,200 units of old lead acid batteries every year?

well... if the demand grows big enough, battery recycling centers can grow around the e-vehicle scene. In fact, the trade in secondhand and reconditioned batteries may get a boost from the e-vehicle industry... the cottage industry revolving around e-vehicles in the US makes battery rebuilding and recycling a good business.

Still, until the price sticking point is addressed, as well as the cost of maintenance (battery replacement), widespread adoption of EVs is unlikely.

[donbuggy]

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After...(with a little help from Photoshop)...

[uls]

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[marg]

Before...



After...(with a little help from Photoshop)...

Pinisa pero Panget pa rin. Even Photoshop can't make it look acceptable