Tsikot.ph PHUV Prototype

[kihtmaine]

Uy... merong traditional na Pinoy pala na naka monitor dito....

hehehe

Let me educate you a bit about Car Culture in case you don't know...

1. DR. FERDINAND PORSCHE designed the VW Beetle in the 1940's and He also made his first sports car in the early 1950's... it was the first PORSCHE prototype based on the Beetle.

PORSCHE 356, Spyder, Speedsters where designed by an amateur designer... definitely - there were no schools for auto design during those days, yet still today - many collectors consider it one of the most desireable designs.

2. Ford Model T - was the car that has put America on wheels and has placed America on top of the industrial revolution race... guess again - the Designer is also an amateur designer... Henry Ford is just a Mechanic with a DREAM! (check my source: Napoleon Hills' Law of Success)

3. Honda S200 or S500 or something... anyways - the earliest Honda Open top sports car was designed by Soichiro Honda... an amateur car designer - with a DREAM!... not really a student of design...

Add ko rin to

VW kombi design was a sketch of a vehicle staff had built to transport heavy panels around Volkswagen’s Wolfsburg factory, this is the actual concept sketch that led to the first Volkswagen T1 van, famous for its split-windscreen.



The actual design of the kombi

So professional


here's the link of the said pic.
http://www.gizmag.com/go/7780/

amateurs are enthusiasts... (enthusiasts = God within) These are people who burn the midnight oil just to make their dreams a reality... These are the very same people who were the pioneer spirits in shaping your country. If there is anybody more willing to place a bigger stake on any endeavour or project... it is these type of people.

Industrialists normally get these type of people since they have a better vision...

A professional will only be looking at his paycheck and billing receipts... but a dreamer, will go the whole 9 yard to achieve results.

Thats what sepparates the Movers from the Benchwarmers.

AGREE!!

[safeorigin]

tinamaan ako sa sinabi ni sir jedi. 17 pa lang kasi ako hahaha

:gouste:

[dprox]

Wow, mukhang natutulog na 'tong thread na 'to a.
Rock muna tayo. O, eto - pampagising!
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[AC]

wow.. tagal ko na sa tsikot.. pero ngayon ko lang nakita itong.. topic.. hehe..
very nice sketches po... kool po yung tinapay car.. hehe
i also love drawing cars.. but syempre.. usually not auvs.. hehe...
may aircon po ba itong gagawin niyong design? sana po.. something na mas simple. para madaling gawin and mura.. hehe
ano po ba ang target ng phuv? pang palit sa fx? or sa jeeps?

are all parts going to be bnew? or.. surplus chasis/engine/suspension?

[jpdm]

--Yup, pampalit ng jeepney or fx ang PHUV

--all brand new parts.

[AC]

ic.. brand new po? kung brandnew.. baka po maging masyado mahal yang mga nasa plans natin..
not to mention..
mas panget ang finish...
since hindi po siya mass production...
we will be purchasing parts in retail... unlike car plants na in bulk or sometimes sila pa mismo nagmamanufacture...
were better off with low end auv or vans.. like L300s

siguro po magiging mas reasonable.. if we use..surplus chasis/suspension/engine
like yung AMC hammer.. but instead of using an expensive patrol as donor po..
we can use light utility trucks
like sa isuzu elf... canter... etc etc
bali parang jeep na minimalist ang kalalabasan... wala na yung heavy extension bumpers
kung possible mas maikli ang hood.. para mas konti ang space na kakainin sa daan.. as much as possible built with lighter materials like fiberglass.. bawasan kung saan hindi kailangan... para hindi din matakaw sa gasolina?

as a start lang naman po.. if after the 1st project.. u guys think your ready to build a vehicle from ground up? then atleast may experience na...

although i think building it ground up.. especially with those curved windshields po, fancy headlights and ***y fenders would not be cost effective.. kung gagamitin lang po sila as public transport...
for that.. maybe you would like to start a new thread.. siguro.. building a custom tsikot... para hindi sayang yung very nice designs and ideas..

[jpdm]

-check the phuv designs submitted to MVPMAP, indeed simple and yet stylist yung tsikot designed PHUV.

-kahit brand new I think the price of the PHUV will still be 50% cheaper than a low end (e.g. L300 FB)utility/commercial van.

--ang phuv is meant to seve the mass transport segment of the philippine market. Im referring to the PUJ (commuter), small cargo (farm to market), commercial (fx), utility (e.g. real estate company tripping vehicle, delivery van, mini-school bus).

--Private use also.

[AC]

ic po..
but... L300 versa van.. diba nasa 700t+ lang?
and i saw a 4d56 engine nakadisplay sa mitsubishi quezon ave. with a price tag of 350t pesos po... and.. mukhang hindi pa kumpleto yun.. its just the engine itself.. wala pa yung.. engine supports.. airfilter case.. exhaust.. alternator.. compressor.. wiper.. wiper motor.. washer motors radiator. evaporator..fans... fanbelts.. idlers pulleys.. glowplugs.. oil filters... fuel filters.. brake systems.. condenser.. and the list goes on po... and katakot takot na labor pa.. i know may discount pa yung mga parts.. like less 10% which is standard.. less 20 wholesale and less30 sa dealer.. but.. i dont think thats enough po..

i think lang po.. na this vehicle is going to be utility.. which means.. dapat ay napaka mura nito.. like siguro less than 300t pesos.. coz.. darating na mga china utility vehicles priced around 400t pesos.. ive seen some units na.. looks nice.. mga chopchop looks.. harap starex.. gilid spacegear fender hilux..
downside is its got a chinamade engine.. na hindi natin alam kung tatagal..
but ang claim nila is.. that their light truck's engine parts are interchangeable with isuzus..

i also like custom vehicles.. but.. due to cost... especially in research and development baka magshort po tayo.

iba po talaga ang mass manufacturing.. nabababa talaga nito ang prices ng malaki.. specially pag may assembly line

i like your idea.. the dream na makagawa ng sasakyan na magrerevolutionize sa pilipinas.. but.. parang hindi po yata cost effective and plans

ilagay natin sarili natin sa sapatos ng mamimili... kayo ba.. if may budget below 500t.. ay bibili kayo ng.. all around vehicle

A: phUV
B: china uv (bnew)
C: 2nd hand japanese branded AUVs (adventure,revo,hilander)
D: surplus vans or SUVs
E: others (buy jeep, ph assembled tamaraws, anfra)

[safeorigin]

hindi naman kailangan na mahal ang makina. basta't matibay, maganda ang spec(yung tipong good for towing jobs) at kasya sa budget. pwedeng, pwede.

[jpdm]

[quote=AC;926805]

L300 versa van.. diba nasa 700t+ lang?

-as i said 50% cheaper. price of brand new PHUv quoted at 350,000 basic.

i saw a 4d56 engine nakadisplay sa mitsubishi quezon ave. with a price tag of 350t pesos po... and.. mukhang hindi pa kumpleto yun.. its just the engine itself.. wala pa yung.. engine supports.. airfilter case.. exhaust.. alternator.. compressor.. wiper.. wiper motor.. washer motors radiator. evaporator..fans... fanbelts.. idlers pulleys.. glowplugs.. oil filters... fuel filters.. brake systems.. condenser.. and the list goes on po... and katakot takot na labor pa.. i know may discount pa yung mga parts.. like less 10% which is standard.. less 20 wholesale and less30 sa dealer.. but.. i dont think thats enough po..

-See, makina palang ng mitsubishi kasing mahal na ng PHUV. Harang talaga mga sasakyan na yan na galing CAMPI. Kailangan natin ng alternative. Hostage tayo ng mga oligopolist na foreign assemblers dito Pinas. malinaw na niluluto tayo sa sariling mantika. Something must be done to break the chain of exploitation.

i think lang po.. na this vehicle is going to be utility.. which means.. dapat ay napaka mura nito.. like siguro less than 300t pesos.. coz.. darating na mga china utility vehicles priced around 400t pesos.. ive seen some units na.. looks nice.. mga chopchop looks.. harap starex.. gilid spacegear fender hilux..
downside is its got a chinamade engine.. na hindi natin alam kung tatagal..
but ang claim nila is.. that their light truck's engine parts are interchangeable with isuzus..

-with all due respect, you want a utility vehicle that is new and multipurpose-you have to pay more that 300,000. Ikaw na mismo nakakita engine palang 350,000 na ala pa labor etc. I mean baka you are referring to 2nd hand vehicles siguro at hindi brand new.

i also like custom vehicles.. but.. due to cost... especially in research and development baka magshort po tayo. iba po talaga ang mass manufacturing.. nabababa talaga nito ang prices ng malaki.. specially pag may assembly line

-Bakit ang rag-tag native assemblers buhay pa rin ngayon, especially yung taga-Mindanao, Central Visayas, Calabarzon at Pampanga, kasi they were able to manufacture via piecemeal production process. May article akong nabasa sa Manila Times, yung Porsche at iba pang British firms na tingi kung gumawa ng sasakyan ay very profitable. Nasa business plan yan. Sabi nga nung writer na sikat (Schumacher), make you firm small and efficient kasi "Small is Beautiful". Kasi kung ang business plan mo ay mag-assemble ng 100,000 vehicles/year tapos ang target mo ay $ billion+++ ang income mo, mag-mass produce ka. Pero kung ang business plan ay just enough to be profitable, ok na yun--initially. May short run and long run production naman e.

i like your idea.. the dream na makagawa ng sasakyan na magrerevolutionize sa pilipinas.. but.. parang hindi po yata cost effective and plans

Indeed, Pinoys should support this dream for SELF-RESPECT AND PRACTICALITY. Una, we have vehicle to call our own, no matter how simple and low tech it is. At least sa atin. Keysa naman nagyayabang ka, ang gamit mo naman sasakyan, sasakyan ng Hapon. Di ba sa US, may nagsabi we are nothing but pretenders to be Asians, feeling natin Hapon tayo di naman. We need self respect. And we can start with the PHUV. 2nd, more jobs for pinoys, plus point to our talents, plus point to our economy. E di pag umayos ang auto industry mas konti mahirap mas maganda economiya, mas may self respect di ba?

Kasi ang hirap sa mga pinoy puro nagabili lang ng sasakyan ng ibang bansa. So kahit anong mga auto review-review kuno natin sa mga binebentang sasakyan sa PInas, we cannot choose per se. Kasi, our vehicle market is small, pathetic and insignificant. Yung mga lemon sa ibang bansa dito dadalhin kasi di naman tayo makakatanggi. 100,000 vehicles a year? harhar, 60% pa dyan taxi, fleet at commercial use. Tapos, ang piyesa, sobrang mahal. ang maintenance sobrang mahal. nanloloko pa mga casa. So ano ang tawag dyan. E di consumer exploitation and manipulation. Ang supplier/producer ang naghahari at hindi ang costumer.Value for money?nah, pag labas ng kotse na worth 700,000 sa dealer, minus 100,000 pesos agad. Naloko tayo ng CAMPI.

ilagay natin sarili natin sa sapatos ng mamimili... kayo ba.. if may budget below 500t.. ay bibili kayo ng.. all around vehicle

Of course. I will not spend 350,000 pesos for a subcompact car na mitsa pa ng buhay ko. Plus all imported. paano piyesa nyan? paano ang maintenance? Kahit i-taxi ko yan.Lugi pa rin. In three years, ala pa sa kalahati ang presyo pag binenta (my friend was compelled to sell his 2006 picanto last month for less than half of its original price because he was sideswiped many times by big vehicles) Yung commercial van mapapamura ka sa mahal. Kaya ba yan bayaran ng ordinaryong pinoy?magkano urban 1million. Grabe kailan mababawi ng operator yun?Tapos, engots pa driver nya, nabangga, nasira. hay...


[QUOTE] A: phUV
B: china uv (bnew)
C: 2nd hand japanese branded AUVs (adventure,revo,hilander)
D: surplus vans or SUVs
E: others (buy jeep, ph assembled tamaraws, anfra

Sir, depende po sa gamit. Kung purely utility (cargo, commuter, delivery) ok sa akin ang PHUV na brand new. Dahil ang PHUV ginawa to replace or alternative sa PUJ, AUV at iba pang commercial at utility vehicles. Hindi makipag-kompetensya yan sa mga SUV, vans at kotse. Hindi pa-pogi points sa date. Pangnegosyo.

China made may formalin...este mahina yung pagkakagawa pero yung engine daw di naman daw especially yung under license (Chery-Austrian at Fiat designed ang engines ata.) Adventure at revo, hindi ko ipampapasada at gawing delivery. Sayang. Pang private use ang mga yan. Kung FX pa.

Ang mga junk second hand running coffin SUVic dapat yan sa museum kasi mga relics yan sa ibang bansa. (Kahit ano pang sabihin ng mga parokyano ng mga illegal at smuggled vehicle na yan, ayokong matulad sa mga kakilala ko na naglabas ng 200T-400T ay puro problema ang inabot. Parang kumuha ka lang ng batong ipupukpok sa ulo. Tsaka , ala yata akong nakitang, SUVic na ginawang pampasada?Mayroon isa, lite ace ata, ayun nasira ang transmission after 3 months na pampasada.di na napagawa ala daw makuhang piyesa kahit sa Clark o Subic. Delica, nanay ko po. Emina? Lumina? Trooper? Hi-ace?Pajero?Starex?Pampasada o delivery?sus.

yun iba (jeep, local auv, anfra) ok na ak. very Pinoy. locally made. more jobs for Pinoys. built to last.


Go PHUV! Go TsikoT PHUV! Go PInoy Vehicle!

[AC]

well... goodluck po..

pasyal pasyal nalang po ako sa thread na ito...

[jpdm]

well... goodluck po..

pasyal pasyal nalang po ako sa thread na ito...

Thanks AC and I hope you support the PHUV project. Its for us Pinoys!

[dprox]

well... goodluck po..
pasyal pasyal nalang po ako sa thread na ito...

Hi AC. Ang galing ng analysis and suggestions mo, bord! Clean cut! You'll be happy to know most of the guys designing in this forum agree with many of your points. Sana makasama ka sa Grand EB. Usap tayo dun!

[webmiester]

ngayon ko lang nakita yung mga news reports on the PHuV via youtube...

They said that the engine and transmission are from China.

Di ba we are making the transmission of Toyota and Honda na here in the Philippines? Cant we use those instead?

Also, Ford is putting up a flex engine plant here. Can we use a Ford engine na gawa sa Pilipinas na rin, para 100% Filipino na talaga siya?

Lastly, can we buy this thing in body and chassis configuration lang? Then Il install my own brand new Mitsubishi or Isuzu diesel engine? I dont really trust the chinese engine yet.

[dprox]

ic po sir dprox.. sige abangan ko po thread na ito for eb.. hehe

AC, sayang di tayo nagkita sa Grand EB. Next one na lang.

anyways...
meron po ako design.. upload ko din..
its called super kuliglig..
...
joke lang po ha..
baka seryosohin :D

Anyways...
since your super kuliglig is a concept - even if it is a joke - we had to move it to the Innovative/Concept Cars thread. OT itong kuliglig dito, kasi this thread is strictly for the Tsikot PhUV.

[dprox]

ngayon ko lang nakita yung mga news reports on the PHuV via youtube...

They said that the engine and transmission are from China.

Di ba we are making the transmission of Toyota and Honda na here in the Philippines? Cant we use those instead?

Also, Ford is putting up a flex engine plant here. Can we use a Ford engine na gawa sa Pilipinas na rin, para 100% Filipino na talaga siya?

Lastly, can we buy this thing in body and chassis configuration lang? Then Il install my own brand new Mitsubishi or Isuzu diesel engine? I dont really trust the chinese engine yet.

Hi webmiester. This thread is about the Tsikot PhUV. Your questions are about the MVPMAP PhUV. Therefore, we are copying your message to the MVPMAP PhUV statement thread. Hopefully, they might see your inquiry and post a reply. As far as we know, MVPMAP has temporarily suspended its PhUV program in favor of the e-Jeepney. Maybe they are studying your concerns already.

Meanwhile, be assured your excellent idea :thumbup: will be taken into consideration by the Tsikot PhUV design team. We still have a long way to go, and suggestions like yours are always helpful.

[webmiester]

[quote=jpdm;926923]

-Bakit ang rag-tag native assemblers buhay pa rin ngayon, especially yung taga-Mindanao, Central Visayas, Calabarzon at Pampanga, kasi they were able to manufacture via piecemeal production process. May article akong nabasa sa Manila Times, yung Porsche at iba pang British firms na tingi kung gumawa ng sasakyan ay very profitable. Nasa business plan yan. Sabi nga nung writer na sikat (Schumacher), make you firm small and efficient kasi "Small is Beautiful". Kasi kung ang business plan mo ay mag-assemble ng 100,000 vehicles/year tapos ang target mo ay $ billion+++ ang income mo, mag-mass produce ka. Pero kung ang business plan ay just enough to be profitable, ok na yun--initially. May short run and long run production naman e.

The problem exists in the price. Porsche, and other small european car makers are profit engines because their cars are more expensive than mass produced vehicles. In europe, hand made vehicles are given respect and are priced higher. In the Philippines, Philippine hand made vehicles are not well respected and have LOWER selling prices. In the jeepneys for instance, manufacturers earn as little as P20k per jeepney. That's not much considering the amount of work and craftmanship placed into each vehicle. It'll also mean that R&D suffers kaya we often end up having the same old technology in our vehicles.

[webmiester]

Hi webmiester. This thread is about the Tsikot PhUV. Your questions are about the MVPMAP PhUV. Therefore, we are copying your message to the MVPMAP PhUV statement thread. Hopefully, they might see your inquiry and post a reply. As far as we know, MVPMAP has temporarily suspended its PhUV program in favor of the e-Jeepney. Maybe they are studying your concerns already.

Meanwhile, be assured your excellent idea :thumbup: will be taken into consideration by the Tsikot PhUV design team. We still have a long way to go, and suggestions like yours are always helpful.

Thanks so much. I know we all want the 100% Brand New Philippine Made Car Of course things are more complicated than just putting all Phlippine made parts together, and I can recognize these. Toyota and Honda might not be willing to contribute to the project, or their transmission will be incompatible with the Ford engine. I also heard that we make brake systems here, but they might not be a member of MVPMAP or Tsikot, and so forth.

Its a dream. I hope itl come true soon. I guess that's where the government can intervene. They can allow Ford, Toyota and Honda tax breaks for joining the MVPMAP or Tsikot program and things like that. Its sad that we arent able to pursuade our government to do things like that yet.

I guess on the government thingee - that's yet another dream ild like to see come true someday soon.

Also, I think the MVPMAP feedback thread was closed down kaya di na ko makapagcontribute doon. Sorry I placed it here instead. MOD, why can't I open a new thread in this category? I can do so in other categories, but in this one Im told that Im not authorized to do so. Thanks so much.

[dprox]

... Also, I think the MVPMAP feedback thread was closed down kaya di na ko makapagcontribute doon. Sorry I placed it here instead. MOD, why can't I open a new thread in this category? I can do so in other categories, but in this one Im told that Im not authorized to do so. Thanks so much.

What was closed was the MVPMAP PhUV Feedback thread. But the MVPMAP Statement thread is still open for any remaining comments on MVPMAP's PhUV program. We also have a poll thread - Tsikoteers Redesign MVPMAP PhUV - on the three redesigns submitted to them.

Any new thread on MVPMAP would be highly speculative, since MVPMAP doesn't seem to be presently in the mood to respond to any of our posts. I guess MVPMAP learned that it is wiser to lay low and work quietly while they develop their product(s) before they launch anything. They have partnered with Greenpeace for the e-Jeepney, and so let's leave it at that. I think we at Tsikot should respect their business decisions. When they're ready, we'll just read about it in the newspapers.

Perhaps it's better that way, so we can focus on developing Tsikot's PhUV will not get mistaken for the MVPMAP's PhUV. PM me if you have problems opening new threads.

[webmiester]

We can never please everyone.

I applaude the MVPMAP for launching their product on independance day, whatever good or bad publicity the product came up with. It takes real guts to do that!

I hope we'll have the same guts with our Tsikot PhUV soon.

BTW, does anyone remember the CAP Centenial Car?

It was supposed to be a Phlippine Made Car launched in year 1998 (alongside the centenial celebration of RP). CAP came up with a design competition for it, and the one which won was a small car. I dont know what happened to the car, nor the design which won. I do remember that CAP got into financial trouble though with their educational plans.