Tsikot.ph PHUV Prototype

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I am based here in Ayutthaya, Thailand and I work as a Cost Control Engineer at one of the major car manufacturers.
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It seems that many of your posters like Oyil have contributed high-tech renderings of the PhUV without regard to the manufacturing capabilities of the local automotive companies and the costs involved with some of the components that need to be custom made for the PhUV. The truth is with cars, BEAUTY comes at a price.
To cite an example, the headlight assembly of the 2007 HONDA Civic ...
This would hold true for all the other component parts like the grill, taillights, windshields, dashboard, etc. (This is a big reason why ultra-low volume carmakers like Aston Martin and Lamborghini are so damn expensive.)
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Creating a world-class automobile is simply impossible given the economic constraints of the PhUV. No amount of nationalistic chest-thumping can change that. Neither Toyota nor GM can make a decent car at P350,000. And that is the situation the Philippine car project is in.
I only speak the TRUTH. And sometimes it can hurt.

We are already aware and agree with everything you are saying. You have correctly noted the discrepancy between target retail and conventional production costs. But this thread allows the posting of drawings only because it's a standing policy to encourage tsikoteers to post creative design work -- constructive contributions, not negative criticisms.

I don't doubt your good faith and competence, but a clear expanation has emerged as to how your line of thinking is askew with this thread.

The reason you are basically pessimistic about PhUV is because you are looking at COST PROBLEMS common to conventional fabrication and marketing approaches.
The reason we are optimistic is because we are looking for DESIGN SOLUTIONS using unconventional approaches.

You can't avoid prejudging the outcome of the PhUV, since you are
* coming from a mainstream "major" auto company (aka here as "bigboys"),
* employing posh state-of-the-art design tools,
* utilizing high-cap automotive assembly line production systems, and
* supported by costly marketing and corporate structures,
the sum total of which we already know to be prohibitive.
In contrast, what our maverick group is exploring here are unconventional design and production paradigms which can squeeze more value per peso and still serve the PhUV purpose.

Kaya ang dating ng "truth" where you are coming from, parang industrial "slur" from where we stand. You're raising apples, while we're focused on coconuts.

BTW, Honda cars are probably the best engineered (with a precisely calculated obsolescence of five years) and are among the most exquisite in style. But those are not PhUVs.

Go and learn the wisdom of the words, "The best is the enemy of the good". And don't forget that "Beauty is in the eye of the beholder". Some prefer the simple loveliness of a barrio lass to the sophisticated magnificence of an urban socialite. And lastly, "Inexpensive need not be cheap".

Aside from bringing yourself up to speed with the forums, our friendly challenge to you is to come down from your perch, study the Pinoy indigenous auto industry and take it as a given. Then perhaps you can begin to appreciate what this thread is about. You might even put your skills to good use and tell us something we don't already know -- and be relevant.

On second thought, don't! Because if you want to hang on to your current job, you'd be better off not helping us muna, lest you be reprimanded by your boss for industrial espionage. :shhh: When you don't have any conflicts of interest anymore, you will be most welcome to open a more detailed discussion on engineering economics and car mfg costs in the newly opened Tsikot forum on Auto Design and Research. BUT if the only way you aim to help is by parading ***y foreign cars while aborting Filipino greasy-hands entrepreneurship, then any one of us in this thread will gladly design a kite for you.

Please understand that Tsikot is pregnant with a Filipino "auto design baby", and in case you haven't noticed, I'm trying my best to save you from looking like a eugenic abortionist. OFWs are supposed to be heroes, not villains - aren't they?
Industrial Peace! :harp1: