Tsikot.ph PHUV Prototype

[marg]

The PHUV is SH#$T. Plain and Simple.

That is why it is Dead.

[OyiL]

"natesting" ??? ... from how the full scale prototype came out, it might be doubtful if they made a part-scale model of the vehicle to see how it would look like. If they did, they might have had time yet to make adjustments to the vehicle to make it look "better".




If you are in agreement, so why are you thinking and pushing the idea that if some number of people actually would end up buying a number of PHUVs (and actually drive them on the road), it would attract more interested parties to buy more PHUVs? Dead ugly is deal ugly...

natesting nila yung reaksyon ng public sa design nila. wala silang part-scale. walang marunong gumawa ng part scale na makukunan nila ng full-scale public reaction. yung gastos nila sa full-scale na yun sigurado kulang pa kung ipapagawa nila ng quarter scale na kayang mag-represent ng full scale sa ibang artist or car design specialist. pede na yung ginawa nila.

sabi ko nga ....KUNG TATAPAT YUNG DESIGN AT HINDI DEAD UGLY, meron magkakainteres.

pushing? no. its my own opinion.

[ghosthunter]

natesting nila yung reaksyon ng public sa design nila. wala silang part-scale. walang marunong gumawa ng part scale na makukunan nila ng full-scale public reaction. yung gastos nila sa full-scale na yun sigurado kulang pa kung ipapagawa nila ng quarter scale na kayang mag-represent ng full scale sa ibang artist or car design specialist. pede na yung ginawa nila.

All i hear are excuses.

Part-scale models would have easily shown the people behind the project that the vehicle is ugly even before they cut the first piece of steel. That would have aided everyone involved. It would have meant the design could have been changed to something else that maybe had better visual appeal.

Part-scale models aren't expensive. Styrofoam and modeling clay are often the materials of choice used. Other inexpensive materials are often also employed by different people/teams.

As for people capable of producing it, heck, even I made part scale models back in college, during my involvement in the DLSU Micro-car project. The scale was small, 1/12th but it was enough to represent the vehicle we wanted. It went through four major changes in three weeks. And after that, we went on to cutting our first piece of metal. The resulting vehicle, although unconventional, looked great. Finite element analysis based on the scale model's dimensions showed that the vehicle chassis had good overall rigidity/stability and passenger safety (assuming front or side or rear collisions done during computer simulations).

The failure of the PHUV to develop a proper marketable prototype vehicle shows how much unprepared the "professional" Philippine auto industry to produce a so-called 100% "Pinoy" vehicle.

[uls]

GH:

The failure of the PHUV to develop a proper marketable prototype vehicle shows how much unprepared the "professional" Philippine auto industry to produce a so-called 100% "Pinoy" vehicle.

yep

unprepared

they're not ready to go head to head with REAL professionals

to think they actually thought they could sell as many cars as Toyota Motors Phils. in 2006

30,000 units a year

hahahahaha

even REAL pros do not make projections like that

here's something posted by jpdm in the "Support the Local Auto Industry" thread:

http://tsikot.yehey.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1461885

an article about Nissan Motor Phil. planning to assemble SUVs here

http://www.manilatimes.net/index.php...-new-suv-model

in the article, the company president said they'll produce about 1,000 units a year

Chen said about 1,000 units of this new model would be manufactured each year.

Nissan yan ha. And they'll just produce 1,000 units a year

the company president also said they'll probably sell 30 units of the new Sentra model per month

Nissan Motor Phils. sold just over 2,000 cars last year

Nissan Philippines on Thursday night launched the Sentra 200, which would be available in the local market in June. The model has a pre-selling price of between P1.05 million and P1.150 million.

Chen said they target to sell 30 units of this new sedan every month. Units of Sentra 200 are imported from Mexico. Besides the locally assembled SUV, Nissan Philippines said it would launch another passenger car within the year.

Chen said the company this year targets sales to increase by a fifth from last year’s 2,395 units. The company’s end-2009 sales were down 18.6 percent year-on-year.

Nissan Motor Phils. yan

REAL pros

the PhUV projected sales is 30,000 units a year

it's not only unrealistic, it's flight-of-fancy, hallucinatory daydreaming

amazing how out-of-touch with reality some people can be

---

wanna sell 30,000 or 60,000 or 100,000 units of 100% locally created motor vehicles per year?

kick out all foreign car companies

all of them

block ALL motor vehicle imports (new and used) from any port in the country

as in totally zero entry of motor vehicles from the outside

then force the scrapping of all motor vehicles here that's more than 10 years old

that greatly reduces the number of motor vehicles available in the market (new and 2nd hand)

2nd hand cars less than 10 years old will become very expensive due to high demand

that will also force owners of vehicles less than 10 years old not to sell their cars

so now, car buyers have almost no choice but to buy 100% locally created cars

that's how you FORCE life into the 100% pinoy motor vehicle production industry

BUT WHAT I JUST SAID WON"T HAPPEN

so there

[OyiL]

All i hear are excuses.

Part-scale models would have easily shown the people behind the project that the vehicle is ugly even before they cut the first piece of steel. That would have aided everyone involved. It would have meant the design could have been changed to something else that maybe had better visual appeal.

Part-scale models aren't expensive. Styrofoam and modeling clay are often the materials of choice used. Other inexpensive materials are often also employed by different people/teams.

As for people capable of producing it, heck, even I made part scale models back in college, during my involvement in the DLSU Micro-car project. The scale was small, 1/12th but it was enough to represent the vehicle we wanted. It went through four major changes in three weeks. And after that, we went on to cutting our first piece of metal. The resulting vehicle, although unconventional, looked great. Finite element analysis based on the scale model's dimensions showed that the vehicle chassis had good overall rigidity/stability and passenger safety (assuming front or side or rear collisions done during computer simulations).

The failure of the PHUV to develop a proper marketable prototype vehicle shows how much unprepared the "professional" Philippine auto industry to produce a so-called 100% "Pinoy" vehicle.

for the purpose of acquiring full public reaction, a part-scale model built out of styrofoam and modeling clay by people not used to doing it, will not work. compared to your part-model which had a different purpose, its not the same. iba ang target audience nyo, di mo pede i-compare.

FEA for a proven chassis design is not necessary for that UGLY PhUV. agree ka dyan. why'd you bring it up?

Yes. our auto industry is not the best. agree ako dyan. but they did something to start people from thinking and legislation to come up with something.

[OyiL]

GH:

yep

unprepared

they're not ready to go head to head with REAL professionals

to think they actually thought they could sell as many cars as Toyota Motors Phils. in 2006

30,000 units a year

hahahahaha

even REAL pros do not make projections like that

here's something posted by jpdm in the "Support the Local Auto Industry" thread:

http://tsikot.yehey.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1461885

an article about Nissan Motor Phil. planning to assemble SUVs here

http://www.manilatimes.net/index.php...-new-suv-model

in the article, the company president said they'll produce about 1,000 units a year



Nissan yan ha. And they'll just produce 1,000 units a year

the company president also said they'll probably sell 30 units of the new Sentra model per month

Nissan Motor Phils. sold just over 2,000 cars last year



Nissan Motor Phils. yan

REAL pros

the PhUV projected sales is 30,000 units a year

it's not only unrealistic, it's flight-of-fancy, hallucinatory daydreaming

amazing how out-of-touch with reality some people can be

---

wanna sell 30,000 or 60,000 or 100,000 units of 100% locally created motor vehicles per year?

kick out all foreign car companies

all of them

block ALL motor vehicle imports (new and used) from any port in the country

as in totally zero entry of motor vehicles from the outside

then force the scrapping of all motor vehicles here that's more than 10 years old

that greatly reduces the number of motor vehicles available in the market (new and 2nd hand)

2nd hand cars less than 10 years old will become very expensive due to high demand

that will also force owners of vehicles less than 10 years old not to sell their cars

so now, car buyers have almost no choice but to buy 100% locally created cars

that's how you FORCE life into the 100% pinoy motor vehicle production industry

BUT WHAT I JUST SAID WON"T HAPPEN

so there

tama yan. magkano ba naman kasi yung SUV na yan? kaya 1000 units lang.

[marg]

Yes. our auto industry is not the best. agree ako dyan. but they did something to start people from thinking and legislation to come up with something.

Of course, what else but more HOT AIR.

It made people think that Filipinos build Lousy cars.

[OyiL]

Of course, what else but more HOT AIR.

It made people think that Filipinos build Lousy cars.

sorry, that statement doesn't bother me,.... if that's your purpose. no basis. atsaka hindi naman ako MVPMAP e. hehehehe.,

[ghosthunter]

for the purpose of acquiring full public reaction, a part-scale model built out of styrofoam and modeling clay by people not used to doing it, will not work. compared to your part-model which had a different purpose, its not the same. iba ang target audience nyo, di mo pede i-compare.

But the fact is, you don't need to have a full public showing (which leads to full public embarrassment) to see the PHUV was dead ugly. However you may view it, as a part-scale or full scale, it will not change the fact that it is UGLY. And that the designers could have had time to change the design before the first piece of metal was cut for the project. This might have saved the project from going bust.

The tools and techniques are there.

BTW, the part-scale model would be meant for the development people's eyes only.

Fact is, major car brands make part-scale of future car design and developments as a way to visualize how it should look like in three dimensions, beyond paper and computer displays.

FEA for a proven chassis design is not necessary for that UGLY PhUV. agree ka dyan. why'd you bring it up?

Was the PHUV even "crash worthy"? I doubt it.

I brought it up because if a bunch of college kids lead by a college professor can do a much better job with minimal funding... well, you get the idea.

Yes. our auto industry is not the best. agree ako dyan. but they did something to start people from thinking and legislation to come up with something.

yeah... just like our booming electric car industry... leading the world in electric cars technology.... NOT!

[scharnhorst]

But the fact is, you don't need to have a full public showing (which leads to full public embarrassment) to see the PHUV was dead ugly. However you may view it, as a part-scale or full scale, it will not change the fact that it is UGLY.

well, the polarizing style isn't as bad as the generally poor build quality.

the headlights didn't quite fit, the door hinges were visible.

the transmission stick was rusting

[uls]

tama yan. magkano ba naman kasi yung SUV na yan? kaya 1000 units lang.

they're realistic

unlike some local motor vehicle creators

[OyiL]

they're realistic

unlike some local motor vehicle creators

if that suv is a direct competitor of the crv, total 1.5B. that amount can buy 4300 units of PhUV.....kung maganda ang design ng PhUV.

[ghosthunter]

if that suv is a direct competitor of the crv, total 1.5B. that amount can buy 4300 units of PhUV.....kung maganda ang design ng PhUV.

For someone who claims to have no stake in the PHuV, you argue as if you personally own part of it.

[ghosthunter]

if that suv is a direct competitor of the crv, total 1.5B. that amount can buy 4300 units of PhUV.....kung maganda ang design ng PhUV.

Unfortunately, the reality is the PHuV is dead ugly.

Plus the fact that it also suffers from poor build quality as well.

No car company would make a profit from selling a P350K PHUV so no car company would stay open selling the PHUV.

[uls]

if that suv is a direct competitor of the crv, total 1.5B. that amount can buy 4300 units of PhUV.....kung maganda ang design ng PhUV.

again, you are assuming if a "maganda ang design" PhUV can be priced at P350,000 and still make a profit for the PhUV company

kung "maganda ang design", Japanese quality ang PhUV, IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO BE WORTH ONLY P350,000

the PRODUCTION COST alone will be more than P350,000 per unit

seems like you are unable or unwilling to take that into consideration

[uls]

For someone who claims to have no stake in the PHuV, you argue as if you personally own part of it.

he's a diehard supporter --> just like the other guy

they'll even go to kuliglig builders

[uls]

No car company would make a profit from selling a P350K PHUV so no car company would stay open selling the PHUV.

the PhUV company itself won't stay open if they build "maganda ang design", Japanese quality PhUVs and try to maintain a retail price of P350,000

their production cost per unit will already be more than P350,000 per unit

sa dealers naman, if the PhUV company wants a retail price of P350,000 per unit, they have to sell the PhUV to dealers at below P300,000 in order for the dealer to make money

so for the PhUV company, their production cost should be far below P300,000 for the PhUV to be profitable to them

around P200,000 to P230,000 cost of production per unit

hahaha

how the hell can they build a "maganda ang design", Japanese quality PhUV at around P200,000?

that diehard supporter only thinks of design

puro design

[OyiL]

For someone who claims to have no stake in the PHuV, you argue as if you personally own part of it.

as if lang. good observation.

[OyiL]

Unfortunately, the reality is the PHuV is dead ugly.

Plus the fact that it also suffers from poor build quality as well.

No car company would make a profit from selling a P350K PHUV so no car company would stay open selling the PHUV.

who saying that its still alive?

no profit from 350K: maybe.

[OyiL]

he's a diehard supporter --> just like the other guy

they'll even go to kuliglig builders

baka naman maganda point ko kaya sinabi nya yun. who's making kuliglig builders make car? baka speculation nanaman yan a.