R & D (Research and Duplicate) - Why don't we do it?

[quetzalcoat]

ganyan naman lagi sa pinas eh, imagine gawa ka ng baril dito, huli ka. hack mo computer system paktay ka. sa ibang countries yan kukunin lahat ng may talent then bibgyan ng materials, ayan gumawa ka pa ng baril para sa sundalo natin, ikaw pumuwesto ka jan bantayan mo baka may mag hack sa atin. eh pinas bibili na lang sa ibang lugar eh hehe

[yapoy86]

You have to get the LTO and DENR to accomodate such cars.

China sells 250-500cc micro-cars using motorcycle engines, which would retail at 250-300k. But they fall afoul of type rules for cars, and need to be classified as quadricycles to work. (They're full-bodied cars, but the engines won't meet emissions, because they're bike engines).

baka pwede lagyan ng EFI engine yan... yung kymco like 200 naka EFI engine na

[fourtheboys96]

Mejo mahaba na pala itong thread ko.

Wala na kasi dumadating na email notifications sa from tsikot kaya hindi ko nasusubaybayan. Wala na ba yung feature na yun?

[joeydpogi]

i like it. but tweak it some more to make it stand out from your usual mass market variety

Is this something that is already made in Cavite or NCR?

[joeydpogi]

yung stailess jeep gawa dini syempre ... kaya lang wala ng kasunod

Saan gawa ito mga pip?

[bacs]

R&D is not necessarily our weakness. We can and do perform it. The real reason for Japan and Korea's success is government protectionism. Money. Lots of it.

(China is a different story... huge captive market... IP-ignoring industries... state sponsored industrialists and unfair trade practices)

Both the Japanese Zaibatsu and the Korean Chaebols relied heavily on government support and government-sourced or enabled funding to prosper. Japan also got further support in terms of wartime money, built up industrialization from before the war and during the war, and US government support.

If the Philippine insurgency were stronger or if the Philippines had land connections to China, we could have probably gained as much support as Korea and Japan did in terms of money and industrialization. But it isn't and we don't.

Our government has also been very weak in its approach to enabling local business, also. Too much money spent on bribes and not enough on actually protecting local business interests. Look at the auto sector and electronics sector... when a foreign partner leaves, there's still capital left behind, invested in machinery, personnel and technology. Is it tied into manufacturing local, competing products? Nope. It's just left to rot. If the government were more supportive of local industry... giving them subsidies and enabling them to be more competitive... we could perform the technology transfer needed. As it is, we can't.

Yun nga lang 40,000 unit minimum to ensure cost-effective production of locally manufactured vehicle bodies, di natin kaya... if the government would subsidize that production, or would at least grant tax breaks, puwede sana.

Our local business organizations are also weak. Too much political BS, personal interest and backstabbing. When you have an org here, there's just a few people actively involved and everyone else just takes up space. Even worse when one or two of those working have personal agendas and hijack the org for their own purposes. Unlike in Japan or Korea... where the leadership skills are not necessarily better, but at least the following skills are much more developed.

And that's probably the ultimate problem. We're not great team players. Even if the leaders are doing the right thing, we'll be badmouthing them and backstabbing them simply because we like the other guy, instead of working from within to make sure the whole thing sticks together.

I know that this is a very late reply... Tama naman ginawa ng Japan and Korean Gov't protect those who wants to invest... tingnan nyo lang naabot nila ngayon. examle natin ung kia pride before either the bought the technology from ford or copied it but we(pinoys) bought it. fast forward to now... the kia rio or even the picanto can match or even surpass ford models in terms of reliability and efficiency. 5 years ago maybe until now we still laugh/criticize china made cars(ex. foton blizzard a photocopy of the isuzu fuego) but now they produce something good(ex. foton thunder has cummins engine with bosh CRDI, getrag transmission and DANA axles) though it may not match japanese and US brands but imagine what the next 5 years.

Again the gov't should protect\initiate\give heading so business will follow. tama nga si sir yapoy86 bulaga nga sa atin ito. we are educated to become employees with no patriotism. sad thing is we just go with the flow(example... dumami koreans dito nag aaral so tayo nag tato ng enlish schools/tutorial centers to cater the current needs and yes it grows the economy) may nag taka ba kung bakit ganito? (sagot ng iba mahal raw education sa korea, mahal kung mag dala pa ng english teachers doon) may naka isip bang preparation ito ng korean govt to compete globally. they send students out to learn english and immerse in different cultures. tayo balik local language ang subject. My point is we just react to opportunities when its infront of us and we failed in creating opportunities so we can get ahead. so we always end up being a consumer.

[MrQ5]

i had read a book forgot the real title it sounds like "An Art of War - business application"

China's development was patterned to what Japan did before copying an specific product but adding some features that lack the one copied.

Japan Quality Assurance then was really poor like products of China today, but when they already establish global market they slowly changes to Branding Quality of product that made-in-japan product is top-notch. Then they make they're own product/technology.

[germanycar]

yes.. its hard to accept but its true... its our culture talaga... imagine nyo na lang for 300 years sakop tayo ng spain.. bukod pa yung sa japan at amerika.. wala pa tayo sa kalahati nyan ang independence natin and look where we are going...

maunahan na tayo ng vietnam.... there is something we really missed after the war.. hindi na tayo umusad...

nangopya din ang japan at korea (pirated) at meron din sila government support sa pangongopya nila.. hindi lang kasing talamak ng china...

Yeah i think so!

[kyuzoaoi]

Sometimes they say, you can learn from video games, and this video game is the one Filipino car designers need.

Automation - The Car Company Tycoon Game on Steam

The good thing is that the you can build your own engines, and many car body styles can be modified in-game. If you are a Filipino who is crazy enough to start a car company, but do not have the skill to design a car like a pro but need a new car badly, this may or may not be for you.

But given that Uganda, an AFRICAN country, already have built their own cars,

News Analysis: Uganda on ambitious journey to produce its own cars - Xinhua | English.news.cn

Is it time for Filipinos to pressure the freaking government to build a Filipino national car?

We don't want more owner-type jeepneys, they are a relic of the past. And then you claim that it costs money! Then ask the Ugandans or this video game!

[uls]

naalala ko tuloy mga debate namin ni jpdm and other pinoy car advocates 10 or more years ago

2019 na nasaan ang pinoy car?

at best you have those jeepney replacements

[uls]

hanggang ngayon the Philippines doesn't even have an equivalent of the Tata Nano

[kyuzoaoi]

hanggang ngayon the Philippines doesn't even have an equivalent of the Tata Nano

Oo nga.

Pag-naacquire ko yung game, siguro mag-design tayo ng concept Filipino car, on the vein of the Indonesian Mobnas model or the Ugandan one.

[uls]

madali mag "design"

anyone can draw a car on a computer

tapos?

build a working prototype

you can have 100 or 1000 pinoys who have great car drawings in their computer

how many of them actually take the next step and build a real car?

even if 1 or 2 of them build a real car...

tapos?

may bibili ba?

[uls]

antaas ng standard ng pinoy car buyers

pinagtatawanan ang china cars

ang tanong kaya ba ng pinoy gumawa ng car na aabot sa china quality?

let alone korean or japanese or german quality

[uls]

sabi ko nga sa mga pinoy car advocates 10 years ago

kung gagawa ka ng pinoy car, yung retail price mo dapat mas mababa sa presyo ng china car

kung hindi wala bibili sayo

[kyuzoaoi]

sabi ko nga sa mga pinoy car advocates 10 years ago

kung gagawa ka ng pinoy car, yung retail price mo dapat mas mababa sa presyo ng china car

kung hindi wala bibili sayo

Tama ka dyan. Kaya hinala ko eh hanggang African-level pa ang kaya natin.

Kiira EV SMACK | Kiira Motors Corporation

Pero may matututunan tayo sa mga Ugandan. Bat hindi ipadala ang mga Pinoy car designers sa Uganda. Mas-mahirap pa naman ang Uganda sa atin pero naka-gawa sila ng car brand...

BTW, may idea ka ba?

[kyuzoaoi]

This is the Ugandan-made sedan I am talking about. Kala niyo yung pelikula nilang Captain Alex low-quality...they know the way...

Ang magaling eh yung gobyerno kahit mahirap sila, sinuportahan ang research ng university (ang Kiira Smack ay concept ng mga estudyante).

[uls]

point ko lang na-bring up na naman ang PINOY BUILT CAR topic

10 years ago dami pinoy car advocates dito sa forum...

2 lang kami ni Ghosthunter ang nagsasabi malabo yan

sabi ng mga advocates sobra negative daw kami (but i was just being realistic)

well... they were all very very positive

even with all their combined positive thinking wala parin nangyari

coz when you do the math...

the cost to build a car from scratch here is so high that you end up with a retail price that will make it impossible to sell

[uls]

so no businessman in his right mind will invest in mass producing a pinoy-designed car here


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pwede pa ung mag design ka ng kotse at maghanap ka ng factory sa China

ipa-mass produce mo at patatakan mo ng brand name mo

[kyuzoaoi]

so no businessman in his right mind will invest in mass producing a pinoy-designed car here


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pwede pa ung mag design ka ng kotse at maghanap ka ng factory sa China

ipa-mass produce mo at patatakan mo ng brand name mo

Actually let's try this strategy first, parang sa Timor Car ng Indonesia. Pag-nagmahal na yung Chinese labor at stable na yung Pinoy economy, ilipat mo na sa Pinas.

O kung bumagsak yung North Korea, sumama tayo sa giyera nila at kumpiskahin natin yung mga auto-factories nila at puwersahan natin ilipat ang mga pabrika nila sa Pinas.

Kalimutan na natin ang mga Pinoy workers, puro unionized kasi sila eh.