MVPMAP Statement on the PhUV Feedback Thread in Tsikot.com

[tsikot]

This Statement is in reply to this thread:

MOTOR VEHICLE PARTS MANUFACTURERS ASSN.

of the PHILS. (MVPMAP)

[SIZE=3] July 2, 2007[/SIZE][SIZE=3]

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[SIZE=3]MESSAGE to TSIKOT.COM on the PhUV[/SIZE]

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[/SIZE] [SIZE=3] First of all, we would like to acknowledge the help of tsikot.com and all its members here and abroad who have posted and offered their comments, both positive and negative, about our Philippine Utility Vehicle (PhUV) experimental prototype. So to all you guys & gals, thank you very much.[/SIZE][SIZE=3]
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[/SIZE] [SIZE=3]MVPMAP conceptualized and designed the PhUV for a specific target market, a specific price range and specific vehicle applications. It was not intended to either be a "people's car" or a can-do-everything vehicle; neither was it dreamt to be a "perfect" prototype, it being just experimental prototype #1. A lot of improvements will still have to be brought upon the product before it goes to the next level: another prototype (if finances permit) and mass production.[/SIZE][SIZE=3]
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[/SIZE] [SIZE=3] The PhUV was then fabricated and assembled on a shoestring budget. No investments were made on expensive molds, dies and jigs. The over 300 local parts were donated by MVPMAP members. The diesel engine was loaned from Dreamco Automotive. The funding was provided by a consortium of ten MVPMAP officers. The engineers gave their services gratis. Even most of the launching needs were donated by friends who had friends who had friends. Despite these limitations and very limited resources, MVPMAP decided to go ahead and develop the PhUV. And why?[/SIZE][SIZE=3]
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[/SIZE] [SIZE=3] The MVPMAP is an organization of about 130 local auto parts makers. Due to the reduced demand for local parts, most of our members are operating at only 40% of their plant and even worse, some have closed shop. We are reeling from the impact of a stagnant car auto industry sales that have not grown for the last eleven years, not even breaching the 100,000-unit mark (compare this to Thailand with over 800,000 units, Malaysia with over 600,000 units and Indonesia with over 500,000 units); of the increasing sales of CBU vehicles (with no local parts and labor in them); and of the failure to implement a Supreme Court decision completely banning the sale of used imported vehicle, especially via the Subic Freeport.[/SIZE][SIZE=3]
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[/SIZE] [SIZE=3] The local parts making industry is dying and something has to be done fast. MVPMAP is pinning its hopes on the PhUV: that the government and Congress will take notice of it and grant incentives not only to the assemblers but to the parts makers and buyers as well. That the Japanese and American big boys of the local auto industry will look at the sad plight of the local parts making industry and the over 50,000 workers dependent on it and assemble more vehicles out of CKD kits with a high level of local value-added parts and labor. The PhUV is the rallying point of an industry that is slowly being decimated. MVPMAP could definitely not afford the PhUV Program but we took a chance.[/SIZE][SIZE=3]
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[/SIZE] [SIZE=3] We launched the PhUV, ang tunay na sasakyang Pinoy, on a date that is significant to Filipinos, Independence Day. We took a long shot and invited Pres. Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo to launch the PhUV and she came. So did DTI Sec. Peter Favila. We had to unveil an experimental prototype before Congress convenes on July 1, 2007 so that when the bill drafted by the Board of Investments on the PhUV Incentives Package is presented before the honorable members of Congress, they will no longer have any doubt that a truly Pinoy vehicle is not just a dream but a reality. They will realize that indeed, given the chance and the support, the Filipino parts makers and craftsmen, not necessarily MVPMAP alone, are capable of designing and building a truly Pinoy vehicle.[/SIZE][SIZE=3]
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[/SIZE] [SIZE=3] We have closely monitored the tsikot.com thread on the PhUV experimental prototype and we appreciate all your comments. We look at the negative ones as constructive criticisms. As a matter of fact, as you read this message, some of your constructive ideas that are doable have been implemented. We have noted down the rest as we re-design (involving style, engineering & fabrication method) the PhUV for hopefully, an experimental prototype #2 and then mass production. We are grateful to the tsikot.com members as you have provided very valuable inputs, particularly in the design aspects.[/SIZE][SIZE=3]
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[/SIZE] [SIZE=3] In closing, we hope that you join us in praying na sana, for the survival of the local parts making industry, magtagumpay ang PhUV, ang sasakyang tunay na Pinoy. Gawa ng Pinoy, para sa Pinoy. Maraming salamat po……… [/SIZE][SIZE=3]

MVPMAP
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[jpdm]

I'm 110% behind you sirs of MVPMAP. In fact, I have been calling you office for the past three weeks and I'm trying to contact Mr. Gregorio Guinto.....

I would like to request from your association if its possible to display the PHUV in our school. Im hoping I can invite the bigwigs of Cavite---Gov. Maliksi, Senators Lacson and Revilla--to take a look at the PHUV and have it fabricated if possible in Cavite or entice these government officials to provide LGUs ( Baranggay patrol, police vehicles, offical vehicles, ambulances etc.)in our province PHUVs as multi purpose vehicles.

Our school is the most prestigious and the biggest in Cavite....kids of influencial politicians are enrolled there....in fact, in the past, Panfilo Lacson Jr.. was enrolled in our school.

PM me please, sirs from the MVPMAP.

[dprox]

IMHO, this whole MVPMAP PhUV episode is parallel to the following real-life 'parable':
http://tsikot.yehey.com/forums/showp...&postcount=330
http://www.manilatimes.net/national/...0710moto4.html
You establish the connections.

Breathe in the nice lessons (for everyone) :
#1) Good intentions might not be good enough.
#2) If you make a mistake, humbly admit it -- and correct it.
#3) It is alright to judge actions, but not intentions.
#4) If you are offended, you don't have to go ballistic. You might regret it later.

So, can we now move on to the next chapter with more sobriety?

And BTW,
#5) Tsikot PhUV is NOT THE SAME PROJECT as MVPMAP PhUV.
(This is for the newbies and people who forget easily).

[mazdamazda]

That is good news... hopefully they can improve upon the negative aspects of the first prototype as pointed out by some members here.

[aargh]

Good news indeed. Hopefully the next prototype will be much much better.

[rmb]

mvpmap is giving remedy to what have been pointed out as flaws.so we can expect now for a better phuv.you have my all out support mvpmap . go,go....

[jpdm]

Sir sana po you conduct a massive information campaign about the MVPMAP and the PHUV.

They are millions of vehicles in the Philippines and owners of these vehicles are your market. marami kasi sa kanila nagde-depende sa advice ng mga favorite at suki nilang mga mechanics, talyer boys---and these talyer boys and mechanics are not aware that the PHilippines to a certain extent is already a manufacturer--in fact---an exporter of automotive parts. I honestly believe that, indeed, MVPMAP produces autoparts that have world class quality.

madalas akong makapunta sa mga surplus shops dito sa Imus,Cavite, sa Pasay, Apalit at Banawe. mahal din presyo nila. minsan mahal pa sa replacement part na brand new. Ok fine, sabi nila orig. Kaya lang di ako kumakagat kasi laspag din. Takot pa po ako baka galing nakaw/ chop chop.Ayoko ko pong habulin ng Universal Karma.

Mga sirs ng MVPMAP, original or genuine spare parts from Japan/US/Korea are getting very,very prohibitive and costly. Pag replacement naman either Taiwan or Thailand. Ang nakakatakot ngayon po ay proliferation of fake parts of replacement parts from China.naloko na po ako. Kahit papaano, matibay pa gawa sa atin. For instance, yung radiator ng roberts yun ang pinampalit ko orig na radiator ng old corolla 96 ko po. Mas kaya init sa PInas kaysa orig at half the price pa. Matibay pa, kasi tanso yun roberts sir, yung sa orig plastic.

Anyway, we need to educate Pinoys about issues regarding our auto industry.

[OTEP]

Matibay pa, kasi tanso yun roberts sir, yung sa orig plastic.

Not to be OT but the original radiator is plastic for a reason. It's designed to be a weak spot in case the cooling system goes into high pressure. It's akin to a fuse in an electrical system.

I'd rather have a craked plastic radiator than a failed head gasket.

Back to regular programming.

[jpdm]

MVPMAP,

any updates on the prototype version 2? Is Francisco Motors Corp. joining?

[rmb]

MVPMAP,

any updates on the prototype version 2? Is Francisco Motors Corp. joining?

nadiscouraged siguro sa negative feedback sa phuv,i hope they will push thru with their plan and come up with the better phuv after all its a fully owned filipino company.

[jpdm]

MVPMAP,


Ano na nangyari sa PHUV nyo? Dapat habang mataas pa rin ang awareness ,continuous pa rin ang press releases nyo...

Any updates about the version 2? I think you should not anymore dismantle the old prototype, improve nyo na lang. Tutal sa mga jeepney owners-operators at transport groups nyo naman ibebenta yan at hindi sa mga may kayang bumili ng mga Japanese AUVs, cars and SUVs.

Now, if you are targetting the buyers of junk SUVs from Subic, you have to come up with a better prototype... anyway...eventually mawawala din mga Subic junks (illegal na) na yan kasi natututo na rin mga Pinoys dahil katulad ng Huey helicopter ng AFP yan...mga running coffins yan.....(nagla-lock ang manibela, naaalis ng manibela, lagi kang magpapa-camber etc, sirang kambyo at transmission......)

Daming nag-a-anticipate ng improved version ng PHUV! Common guys of MVPMAP.....Gising!!!!!!!!!!

[safeorigin]

as I said before, patience is a virtue. a prototype IS a prototype and must undergo tests like a prototype. hence, it is time-bounded. they're fully awake with their coffee filled every minute. just wait for the output to come. while you're waiting, let's try focusing our attention to tsikot.com phuv. they do their work and we do ours. we already gave them our "valuable"{though it's a indeed a bitter pill to swallow, imho} outputs anyway.

[hominid]

[SIZE=3] for a specific target market, a specific price range and specific vehicle applications. It was not intended to either be a "people's car" or a can-do-everything vehicle[/SIZE]

So para pala kanino ito(not being sarcastic)?

[SIZE=3] sana, for the survival of the local parts making industry, magtagumpay ang PhUV, ang sasakyang tunay na Pinoy. Gawa ng Pinoy, para sa Pinoy. Maraming salamat po……… [/SIZE]

Lets support the local industry. Go, go, go!

[dprox]

So para pala kanino ito(not being sarcastic)?
Lets support the local industry. Go, go, go!

MVPMAP clarified last July 17 that their PhUV is supposed to be a "farm to market" vehicle.
So, we are led to suppose that it is for the rural agri folks, mainly.
Yes, the launch version seemed a bit distant from what most people imagine an F2M vehicle to be. A tough and robust, rustic-looking goods-&-people overloader would be more like it.
I've begun to imagine it to be something short of a military-looking vehicle. Or maybe one that is "civilianized" enough not to invite hostile fire from rebels and insurgents; and to be acceptable as well on city streets. My 2cents.

[kayer]

The PhUV was then fabricated and assembled on a shoestring budget. No investments were made on expensive molds, dies and jigs. The over 300 local parts were donated by MVPMAP members. The diesel engine was loaned from Dreamco Automotive. The funding was provided by a consortium of ten MVPMAP officers. The engineers gave their services gratis. Even most of the launching needs were donated by friends who had friends who had friends. Despite these limitations and very limited resources, MVPMAP decided to go ahead and develop the PhUV.

[SIZE=3]I am so proud of these souls involved in bringing PhUV#1 into reality! Actually we Filipinos are born resourceful, we can make something better (if not be the best!) from scrap, trash or anything discarded![/SIZE]

[SIZE=3]Let me share my experience, agricultural products vs cars!![/SIZE]

[SIZE=3]I've been working on board sea going vessels for nearly 10 years for electrical, electronics and intrumentation maintenance and Japan is one among the ports we've visited around the globe. [/SIZE]

[SIZE=3]When I first set my feet on board a cargo ship (though I started to work on cruise ships..) manned by full Filipino Crew, including the Captain and the Chief Engineer, I was so impressed with the skills of our fellow Filipinos! In fact the Philippines is not as highly industrialized as our co-Asian countires like Japan, Malaysia, China, India - to name few of them. But these young Filipino crew can fix and maintain huge engines and high tech machineries which are not made in the Philippines! [/SIZE]

[SIZE=3]It was 4 years ago when we brought a bulk load of agricultural products (bananas and mangoes) from the Philippines to Japan when one of the Port worker asked us how many tons of mangoes and bananas we have on our ship. So proud that we are bringing products from our country of origin, we answered nearly 40,000 Tons with chins up! I don't know if this Japanese guy is insulting us or what, because he answered back "oh this whole bulk load of bananas is equivalent to just 10 Japanese cars" and then a grin on his face and he left![/SIZE]

[SIZE=3]And now we are on the way of making a vehicle we can call our own! I hope someday my son thru' a ship will bring Philippine made vehicles to other countries! This is my dream for the Philippines! Go go go...MVPMAP, you've already made a big step![/SIZE]

[jpdm]

So proud that we are bringing products from our country of origin, we answered nearly 40,000 Tons with chins up! I don't know if this Japanese guy is insulting us or what, because he answered back "oh this whole bulk load of bananas is equivalent to just 10 Japanese cars" and then a grin on his face and he left!

And now we are on the way of making a vehicle we can call our own! I hope someday my son thru' a ship will bring Philippine made vihicles to other countries! This is my dream for the Philippines! Go go go...MVPMAP, you've already made a big step!

I hate to admit it but its true!!!This Japanese definitely have an ALMOST absolute advantage over us. Then again, we are a country with a young population (diosmio 88million na!uragun...hehehe. 12million OFWs. ilan na kayang Pinoy ang permanent resident abroad?),with this potential market, if Filipinos will unite and support the PHUV and the pioneering works of NORKIS regarding small utility vehicles and micro cars--we to can someday export our own vehicles.Kailangan lang talaga magtulungan. Yung Chery nga 10 years lang may itsura na at maganda.Although di pa kasing quality ng Japanese at Korean cars..Bakit ilan taon na ba yang mga sasakyang hapon at koreano nayan. DAPAT TAYO DIN.

Matindi ang talents ng Pinoy. I-harness ito.

KAYA DAPAT ANG MVPMAP KUNG TALAGANG SERYOSO NA MAILIGTAS ANG INDUSTRIYA LALO NA MEMBERS NILA,MEDYO SILA MISMO MAGKASUNDO-SUNDO AT AYUSIN KILOS NILA. AKO NA AVID SUPPORTER NILA AY NADI-DISMAYA NA RIN KASI SNUBBISH SILA E.ILAN BESES KONG TINAWAGAN YUNG OFFICE NILA GALIT PA YUNG SUMASAGOT. LECHE PLAN!(SARAP....HEHEHE)BUTI NALANG MAY KUMAUSAP NA SA AKIN NA TAGA MVPMAP.aBA AY GUSTO KO NGA NA I-EXPOSE ITO SA PROBINSYA NAMIN E AYAW PA ATA NILA.MVPMAP GISING!!!!

[donbuggy]

After World War II, Honda was making motorized bicycles and Filipino vehicle manufacturers were making jeepneys from surplus jeeps. Honda, as we all know, went on to become a world class motorcycle and auto manufacturer while our local vehicle manufacturers are struggling or went under.

One possible reason for this is our lack of vision. While our manufacturers were contented with making products for the local market, Honda had the foresight to think globally. And unlike Filipinos who believe in talent, Honda did not just rely on individual abilities. Honda bought the best machine tools.

From Honda's website:
http://world.honda.com/history/limit...n/text/01.html

"If you’re not Number One in the world you can’t be the Number One in Japan!" (Soichiro Honda, 1952).

"I have always said that all my efforts are devoted to my wish to satisfy my customers by manufacturing good-quality products at low prices. However, I do not think we have yet completely succeeded in achieving this aim in terms of capacity, design, or price....but although we are now the top makers in Japan, I feel an unbearable sense of shame when I look at our present level of performance from a global perspective...I am well aware that there is still a huge gap between our products and those of advanced countries like Britain and the U.S.A....In order to realize our creativity and inventiveness, we need the very best machinery. There is an old saying that ‘A bad workman blames his tools’. I have taken a major decision to purchase the world’s best machine tools." (Soichiro Honda, 1952).

Around this time the import of European and American motorcycles was resumed on a small scale and the difference between their bikes and Honda’s could be clearly seen on Japan’s roads. When people riding Japanese bikes–including Hondas–were pitted against foreign bikes, they always came off second best.

[jpdm]

MVPMAP, have you abandoned the PHUV project???Dont please...............

[safeorigin]

siyempre hindi noh! they are still on the drawing board for the 2nd prototype. i assure you, they hired(paid or not) the best of the best designers on the planet this time. no need to worry.

[jpdm]

MVPMAP.....nagpapautang na DBP sa mga gustong magpasada......i-market nyo na sa mga coop at transport group yung PHUV..........

Go, go PHUV..................