Rolls Royce Phantom VI Replica

[russpogi]

I was just wondering, kaya kaya nating gumawa ng replica ng Rolls Royce Phatom VI? Yung body lang. I was thinking if it's possible to copy the body of this and put an old 7-Series BMW or an old S-Class Benz underneath (for suspension, brakes, tranny and engine).

What do you think? Idea lang for general discussion.

[wildthing]

pede kung sa pede... kaso do you know that there was a guy here in Angeles City na gumaya ng oldschool rolls royce way back in the late 70s.... the copy was quite good that Rolls Royce sent them a seize and deceist order to stop them from producing it.

ngayon rental vehicles na lang ang mga ito (I have seen at least to variants) for kasal.

[dprox]

I was just wondering, kaya kaya nating gumawa ng replica ng Rolls Royce Phatom VI? Yung body lang. I was thinking if it's possible to copy the body of this and put an old 7-Series BMW or an old S-Class Benz underneath (for suspension, brakes, tranny and engine).

What do you think? Idea lang for general discussion.

Sorry, russ.
:offtopic: OT ang replicas dito. This forum was created to discuss and promote OPVs only -

[SIZE="4"]O[/SIZE]riginal
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[SIZE="4"]V[/SIZE]ehicles

ie, vehicles whose concept, design, and fabrication are done by Pinoys (although for now, we do tolerate non-Pinoy power trains).

But since you asked about bodyworks, let me take this opportunity to talk about our lateros. Hindi lang kaya ng Pinoy yan. KAYANG-KAYA PA! Our lateros are not just tinsmiths. A good number of them are really SCULPTORS. Konting masahe lang yan, ayos na. (NB: "Masahe" is the term they use when referring to shaping sheetmetal.)

The only drawbacks I see are the ff:

1. Our lateros are skilled in doing things "by eye", which means the physical presence of the original vehicle is required. They have to actually see it. Having been trained solely by practical apprenticeship, they severely lack skills in reading and translating from 2D plans and sketches to 3D. And even if they could visualize it from flat paper, scaling is another thing. They might not be able to accurately scale the drawings up to full-size hardware.
   
   
2. It is not advisable to fabricate the doors and windows. I have yet to see a local craftsman who can get all four doors perfectly, with perfect window alignment. It is better to get factory-built doors and remodel these accordingly.
   
   
3. Your replica might end up being on the heavy side. You see, the latter model RRs no longer have the classic curves of their predecessors, and flatter surfaces will tend to deform more easily, prompting the use of higher gauge sheetmetal for handcrafted replicas (aka "asembol").

Why, if I may ask, the RR Phantom VI?
Ever hear of the RR Exellero?

But really, WHY COPY AT ALL?
WHY NOT CUSTOM-BUILD AN ORIGINAL PINOY COUNTERPART?
Just asking.

[architect]

*dprox,

Hindi lang kaya ng Pinoy yan. KAYANG-KAYA PA! Our lateros are not just tinsmiths. A good number of them are really SCULPTORS."

I was talking to Napoleon Abueva last night at the college homecoming and I wanted to ask him if he would consider developing a design concept for one of our little projects here. Imagine a vehicle conceptualized by a National Artist!

I wasn't sure though if he would be flattered or insulted or even interested in the first place, so I never got the courage to ask him. Hmmm, maybe I should. What do you think?

Anyways, I gave your number to Ike Madamba. I told him about our project and he is interested in reserving Ilocos Norte and Ilocos Sur for his group.

[safeorigin]

aba kung gusto mo ng original pinoy version nyan, baka maging hybrid ng jeepney at RR ang kakalabasan

[Syuryuken]

:offtopic: OT ang replicas dito. This forum was created to discuss and promote OPVs only

under martial law yata ang tsikot

[safeorigin]

hindi naman. OT lang kasi if replica iyon ay di na siya classified as original

[donbuggy]

A car shaped in the spirit of the Phantom VI, not an exact replica but one that borrows styling clues (such as a chrome vertical grille, flowing fenders, etc.), will for me be a welcome sight on our streets.

However - Is such a car relevant today when people prefer SUVs? Will there be a market for such a vehicle? Here are the possible target markets:

1) The super rich. It will be a car of CEOs, diplomats, and those in high government positions. Such a car should be made of the best materials and must be put together in the best quality. An old platform will not do. Engines should be V8, V10 or V12.

2) The fleet buyers. Used for ferrying hotel guests and can be used as a bridal car. The car must be easy to maintain and can be based on a more modest platform such as a Chrysler 300 or Toyota Crown Comfort http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_Comfort (used as taxis in Japan, Hongkong and Singapore).

3) Enthusiasts of modest means. For people who love period styled vehicles but couldn't afford an original classic. The car can be based on lowered AUV / PHUV platforms. Body styles are not limited to limos and can include convertibles and boat tailed speedsters that recall the Dusenbergs and Auburns of long ago. Here is the Auburn Boattail Speedster replica, to me one of the most beautiful cars ever made (http://www.decorides.com/auburnbt.htm):

[safeorigin]

may point ka po dyan peron kelangang super slim yung mid section nung chassis para sumakto yung shape.

or as an alternative, pwede rin nating i-adopt yung other styling cues niya then apply it on a jeepney hehehe, parang walang nagbago

[dprox]

*dprox,

I was talking to Napoleon Abueva last night at the college homecoming and I wanted to ask him if he would consider developing a design concept for one of our little projects here. Imagine a vehicle conceptualized by a National Artist!

I wasn't sure though if he would be flattered or insulted or even interested in the first place, so I never got the courage to ask him. Hmmm, maybe I should. What do you think?

Anyways, I gave your number to Ike Madamba. I told him about our project and he is interested in reserving Ilocos Norte and Ilocos Sur for his group.

Yesterday, I happened to be in Angono and so visited Totong Francisco (painter-grandson of National Artist Carlos "Botong" Francisco) and I brought up the idea of OPVs he totally related and roundly agreed, supporting the idea of preserving the indigenous automotive arts and crafts. We have parallel advocacies, medyo mas advanced lang sila sa atin.
Why not ask Nap? If he doesn't show too much interest, his son might. I think Mulawin is into sculpture, too.
BTW, if you're ever in Angono, make time to do the rounds of Filipino artists' studios and galleries. The Blanco Family Museum is fantastic!

[dprox]

Sorry, russ.
:offtopic: OT ang replicas dito. This forum was created to discuss and promote OPVs only

under martial law yata ang tsikot

Hindi naman, Syur. The tsikot owners just created this forum exclusively for OPVs. Hindi martial law yun. Focus lang, just as in tsikot's other forums (eg Drive Talk).

FYI, this forum is different from the other tsikot forums in that it is an ADVOCACY forum, with a bias for original Pinoy auto works, not replicas.

Threads on replicas can be opened in The Workshop and More Than Looks forums. I wouldn't try Car Talk, kasi baka maupakan pa ng mga foreign car lovers ang kahit anong "asembol".

Anyway, hindi naman namin dinelete yung thread, kasi mahirap nga namang humanap ng ibang thread tungkol sa "asembol". As you can see, it did generate intelligent reactions from members who understand what this forum is about.

Baka meron pa magsubmit ng drowing "inspired by" the Phantom, e di mas magaling, di ba?

[architect]

Yesterday, I happened to be in Angono and so visited Totong Francisco (painter-grandson of National Artist Carlos "Botong" Francisco) and I brought up the idea of OPVs he totally related and roundly agreed, supporting the idea of preserving the indigenous automotive arts and crafts. We have parallel advocacies, medyo mas advanced lang sila sa atin.
Why not ask Nap? If he doesn't show too much interest, his son might. I think Mulawin is into sculpture, too.
BTW, if you're ever in Angono, make time to do the rounds of Filipino artists' studios and galleries. The Blanco Family Museum is fantastic!

I gotta admit the idea of asking a National Artist to be involved is certainly intriguing. Sige, I will ask him.

Maybe we can organize a mini-fun run to Angono for interested tsikoteers?

[dprox]

A car shaped in the spirit of the Phantom VI, not an exact replica but one that borrows styling clues (such as a chrome vertical grille, flowing fenders, etc.), will for me be a welcome sight on our streets.

Let me share some studies of a similar project. Two years ago, I had a lady client who had a liking for the stance of the Bentley Arnage (pinsan ng RR). And so, "inspired by" that, I developed this Filipino adaptation, which she approved (in lavender, pink, silver gray, and chrome pa) ...

... but which unfortunately never pulled through (sabotaged by a naysayer who undermined the client in favor of a bigboy vehicle).

[Syuryuken]

Hindi naman, Syur. The tsikot owners just created this forum exclusively for OPVs. Hindi martial law yun. Focus lang, just as in tsikot's other forums (eg Drive Talk).

FYI, this forum is different from the other tsikot forums in that it is an ADVOCACY forum, with a bias for original Pinoy auto works, not replicas.

Threads on replicas can be opened in The Workshop and More Than Looks forums. I wouldn't try Car Talk, kasi baka maupakan pa ng mga foreign car lovers ang kahit anong "asembol".

Anyway, hindi naman namin dinelete yung thread, kasi mahirap nga namang humanap ng ibang thread tungkol sa "asembol". As you can see, it did generate intelligent reactions from members who understand what this forum is about.

Baka meron pa magsubmit ng drowing "inspired by" the Phantom, e di mas magaling, di ba?

:thumbup:

thanks for the explanation dami kasing sub-forum ng sub-forum ng sub-forum ang tsikot ngayon medyo nakakalito

[webmiester]

The AMC Hammer looks very comfortable in this thread topic. No offense meant, but I somewhat thought of the AMC as more of a replica rather than an Original vehicle because of its resemblance to the GMC Hummer. I would have thought that a RR look alike might be at home at this thread place too.

[webmiester]

I saw this customized van sa labas ng shop in Araneta Ave. It was a customized Chevy Astro, made much much bigger for a use of a church organization.

It was actually made of fiberglass, pero sobrang kinis yung pagkagawa!

The guy who was working on it told me that he can customize any vehicle, just show him magazine brochures. Kaya he says he has a lot of magazine brochures at his place and he lets people choose the designs na pipiliin niya.

I think the RR replica can be done provided that you have a suitable chassis for it, and secondly, you have a light set and grills that look somewhat like the real thing.

[russpogi]

Ohh! Sorry po dprox! hehehe! Natuwa kse ako sa elegance ng RR Phantom VI and I honestly never seen one here yet and since it's out of production, I thought of having a replica as an alternative.

[mbeige]

It's been done




Except the headlights, you'll surely have to glance twice if you see this coming if you know the real RR, and ask yourself, "Is something wrong with the car?"

[donbuggy]

Mbiege's ride made me think of the Mercedes 300D Type W123's 5-cylinder diesel engine and how it could be an excellent engine to put in a retro styled vehicle. Low tech compared to present diesels but robust. I'm not suggesting that a good W123 be cannibalized. I'm saying that a similar engine in the Ssangyong Istana (Mercedes MB100) van can be used.

*Dprox,
What platform were you planning to base the Urduja on? What does Study nos. 1 to 5 look like?

[dprox]

Mbiege's ride made me think of the Mercedes 300D Type W123's 5-cylinder diesel engine and how it could be an excellent engine to put in a retro styled vehicle. Low tech compared to present diesels but robust. I'm not suggesting that a good W123 be cannibalized. I'm saying that a similar engine in the Ssangyong Istana (Mercedes MB100) van can be used.

*Dprox,
What platform were you planning to base the Urduja on? What does Study nos. 1 to 5 look like?

Urduja was supposed to be mounted on an AUV platform (Toyota or Mitsu) - scaled down to a 2400 mm wheelbase, since my client was only about 5'3" petite.

Studie #1-5 were just rudimentary versions of Study #6.