"HELP improve Anfra 2007"

**spectral** · November 22nd, 2007 05:13 AM

Originally Posted by monmendoza

On hindsight it was also FMC's fault that they allowed the Anfra to demise. I use to see a lot of Anfra's in the street. PLDT alone has hundreds if not thousands all over the country. During that time, they could have easily invested on better molds and presses to improve their quality, unfortunately the Filipino mentallity of "pwede na iyan prevailed" in Francisco's mind. When the FX came out, the Anfra was practically wipe out from the streets.

Now I hope that FMC has learned its lessons because, I don't think the filipinos will give him a third chance. Etong second chance lang nga, marami nang ayaw siya pagbigayan.

This is precisely the reason why the local car industry is dying. They keep on coming up with ugly, shoddy and substandard products and expect the Filipinos to give them a break.

Mahirap ang pera ngayon and the Filipinos want "value" for their hard-earned money.

"Pwede na yan" doesn't cut it anymore. We as consumers demand good quality and nothing else!

How many times to they need to "learn" this lesson? Jeeez!

**Djerms** · November 22nd, 2007 06:56 AM

How the heck can Anfra compete with the japanese and Korean brands? Being patriotic is good but I don't like to spend my hard earned money on something so poorly assembled.

Mas okay pa nga yung mga Chinese brands. I am for locally made and manufactured vehicles pero naman naman naman....

....sana medyo ayusin naman nila naman naman...Nakakahiya.

**A121** · November 22nd, 2007 11:30 AM

Originally Posted by spectral

This is precisely the reason why the local car industry is dying. They keep on coming up with ugly, shoddy and substandard products and expect the Filipinos to give them a break.

Mahirap ang pera ngayon and the Filipinos want "value" for their hard-earned money.

"Pwede na yan" doesn't cut it anymore. We as consumers demand good quality and nothing else!

How many times to they need to "learn" this lesson? Jeeez!

I bet that FMC has 0% R&D.

If they can only pour some money (loans? gov't assistance?) and ask help (local universities?) for R&D, i guess they can come up with a much better Anfra for the local market.

**tanoshi_637** · November 22nd, 2007 03:54 PM

Originally Posted by A121

I bet that FMC has 0% R&D.

If they can only pour some money (loans? gov't assistance?) and ask help (local universities?) for R&D, i guess they can come up with a much better Anfra for the local market.

R&D,,, maybe zero. pero hindi excuse yon, bakit yung mga total wreck na koche pag tinira ng latero aba parang walang nangyari. yung mga vintage cars bakit na re-restore ang body?

Kung gusto pwede...not unless the old, broke, Mr. Anfra singlehandedly did this from ground up with his old shaking hands & diminishing eyesight - if this was ever the story behind this, then it is a touching & challenging story. pero kung hindi..

I'm sorry, i really support locals & gusto ko talaga bumangon tayo, tayong pilipino. pero i just could not turn a blind eye....may point sila.

Kaya Mr. Anfra, masakit man ang katotohanan, put more passion & pride sa gawa ninyo, sana po kahit masakit ang sinabi namin e wag po kayo sumuko. Kung may maitutulong po kayo mga fellow tsikoteers, mag tulungan na po tayo... nakakahiya po talaga.
Kapag ito ni lait ng ibang nasyon, hindi lang naman si Mr.Anfra ang tatamaan dito, like it or not the reality is tayong lahat ang naka pakage sa imahe nito... aantayin nyo pa ba?

**dprox** · November 22nd, 2007 09:35 PM

[SIZE="3"]REMINDER & ANNOUNCEMENT[/SIZE]

The objective of this forum is TO ADVOCATE indigenous auto industries.
The objective of this thread is TO HELP the Anfra. (See Post #1)

Huwag sana tayong maging parang magulang na banat lang ng banat tungkol sa "hindi dapat", pero wala namang sinasabi kung "ano dapat", at kung "paano dapat".

Yung puro pintas na post na walang constructive suggestions or honest inquiries ay OT dito.
Hindi na nga nakakatulong -- talagang nakakasira pa.

So, if you posted something like that more than thrice (3X), there is sufficient evidence na paninira lang ang sadya mo. You are a TROLL, possibly a flame-baiter, and you will be banned from this Forum.

Also, the rule of not insulting a fellow Tsikoteer continues to be in force here.

Now, here's the score:

spectral
derogatory/unconstructive - #24, 28, 81; ad hominem insult - #70
ADVISORY: From your 25 posts since you joined last Aug 21, mods & admins are convinced that you had joined Tsikot Forums solely to attack indigenous Filipino auto industries. You have FOUR STRIKES in this thread, and considering ALL your 21 previous posts - YOU'RE OUT. Be advised you will be banned from this Forum starting tomorrow, 23-Nov-2007. Admin will determine and impose the ban period.

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NOTE: In jpdm's case, we acknowledge that his contributions (by way of industry info and analysis) far outweigh what is perceived as "OA" cheerleading.

**spectral** · November 22nd, 2007 11:27 PM

Originally Posted by dprox

NOTE: In jpdm's case, we acknowledge that his contributions (by way of industry info and analysis) far outweigh what is perceived as "OA" cheerleading.

Well, if you prefer OA cheerleading rather than the TRUTH.....

Remember, by jpdm's analysis, the PHuV was impressive and that the orders were pouring in.

He also advised FMC to manufacture their own engines not realizing their technical and financial limitations.

Try to recall the importance of the story "The Emperor's New Clothes".

**wildthing** · November 23rd, 2007 07:46 AM

Sabi nga: If you have nothing good say, then don't speak...

The objective of this forum is TO ADVOCATE indigenous auto industries.
The objective of this thread is TO HELP the Anfra. (See Post #1)

Huwag sana tayong maging parang magulang na banat lang ng banat tungkol sa "hindi dapat", pero wala namang sinasabi kung "ano dapat", at kung "paano dapat".

Yung puro pintas na post na walang constructive suggestions or honest inquiries ay OT dito.
Hindi na nga nakakatulong -- talagang nakakasira pa.

**architect** · November 23rd, 2007 01:01 PM

*spectral,

The little kid in the Emperor's New Clothes did not endlessly bash the Emperor with such negative ardor as is evident in your case. He merely stated the truth without insulting anyone.

Moreover, the New Clothes were vaporware. The Anfra is a real product, exposed to the public, including all its faults and defects that you have been focusing on.

You need to realize there is a big difference between plain old bashing and constructive criticism.

Bottom line, instead of maintaining such a negative outlook, why not, for a change, make suggestions or recommendations?

**dprox** · November 23rd, 2007 02:01 PM

Originally Posted by spectral

Well, if you prefer OA cheerleading rather than the TRUTH.....
Remember, by jpdm's analysis, the PHuV was impressive and that the orders were pouring in.
He also advised FMC to manufacture their own engines not realizing their technical and financial limitations.
Try to recall the importance of the story "The Emperor's New Clothes".

Like I PMed you, this forum is for those who ASPIRE and DREAM of POSSIBILITIES. Dreams per se do not constitute error or untruth, even if errors are an accepted constant in Research and Development.

Your criticisms are appreciated at first instance. But to rub in the same points repeatedly reveals your true agenda here.

Tsikoteers visiting this forum are mature enough to recognize hyperbole. WRT jpdm, the case against you is ad hominem insult to a fellow Tsikoteer. On top of this, you have from the day you joined Tsikot, persistently put down positive efforts and aspirations of local industry, without benefit of recommendations. If you know enough about automotives to shoot criticisms at OPVs, then you should be able to say enough about how to improve the products and provide solutions.

Your demolition job in this forum is over and out.

**jpdm** · November 23rd, 2007 02:25 PM

TKC Steel, Rizal co-op to tie up for iron ore mining
By Zinnia B. Dela Peña
Friday, November 23, 2007

“With our expanded and diversified outreach, TKC Steel will be one of the few steel producers in the world that can lay claim to the distinction of being able to manufacture high value finished products such as seamless pipe from its own round steel billets which in turn are produced from iron ore mined from its own sites. Not even the major industry players in the world such as Nippon Steel of Japan, Baosteel of China, POSCO of Korea or China Steel of Taiwan can claim this because these companies are dependent on imported iron ore, and as such, are subject to the nuances of the international market situation,” Dizon said.
Again, after 50 years, the Philippine iron and steel industry, the backbone of the industrial sector, has finally realized its dream--an integrated (with forward and backward linkages) steel industry.

Reading between the lines, high-grade steel (steady,predictable prices) will be locally available for the manufacture of flat/cold rolled steel used as materials for automotive body, engine and other auto components.

Machine shops and MVPMAP will be happy with this developments.

The Tsikot PHUV, Anfra PHUV, AMC Hammer and other domestic manufacturers will benefit from it.

Lets give our local manufacturers a chance so that they can grow. AnFRa, the Tsikot PHUV project, MVPMAP PHUV, e-jeepney, AMC Hammer--are just starting. Eventually, in time, they will grow and mature (improve) and might become one of the best in Asia and in the world.. We just have to nurture them.

The Japanese have done that to Toyota Corollas, the Koreans to Hyundai , the Chinese to Geely and Chery, the Malaysians to Proton..

Why not us Pinoys?

As Lao Tzu pointed out, a journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step.....we can't get everything in an instant....the more things change the more they stays the same....we should be slow and deliberate in building our capabilities in everything..specially in the sophisticated, strategic, highly regulated auto industry.