Engine design at accessories? kaya na ba?

[uls]

Professor pala si jpdm

kaya pala he's kinda not in touch with the real world

i wonder if jpdm has ever run a business?

there's no better way to find out what the REAL WORLD is all about than by running your own business

in academia, it's all theory... all they (academics) do is throw ideas around

when running a business, you deal with the real world everyday

you have bills to pay, employees to pay, suppliers to pay, bills to collect, customers to deal with, good customers, unreasonable customers, customers who think you they own you coz bumibili sila sayo, customers na may utang na ayaw magbayad kasi ang customers naman daw nila di pa nagbabayad... you have to deal with govt people (those parasites)...

that's as real as it gets

it's the kind of reality that's equivalent to hitting your head with a hammer... it doesnt get more real than that

my point is, Niky's and GH's view of the world is influenced by their experience in running businesses

jpdm's view of the world is more theoretical... kinda like floating in the clouds kind of view... kinda like hitting your head with a theoretical hammer

Niky's and GH's view of the world is "WHAT IS"

jpdm's view is "WHAT COULD AND SHOULD BE"

[ghosthunter]

Professor pala si jpdm

kaya pala he's kinda not in touch with the real world

let us emphasize that again.

i wonder if jpdm has ever run a business?

From the way he answers, it wouldn't have been successful without subsidy
from GREENPEACE.

[jpdm]

Professor pala si jpdm

kaya pala he's kinda not in touch with the real world

i wonder if jpdm has ever run a business?

there's no better way to find out what the REAL WORLD is all about than by running your own business

in academia, it's all theory... all they (academics) do is throw ideas around

when running a business, you deal with the real world everyday

you have bills to pay, employees to pay, suppliers to pay, bills to collect, customers to deal with, good customers, unreasonable customers, customers who think you they own you coz bumibili sila sayo, customers na may utang na ayaw magbayad kasi ang customers naman daw nila di pa nagbabayad... you have to deal with govt people (those parasites)...

that's as real as it gets

it's the kind of reality that's equivalent to hitting your head with a hammer... it doesnt get more real than that

my point is, Niky's and GH's view of the world is influenced by their experience in running businesses

jpdm's view of the world is more theoretical... kinda like floating in the clouds kind of view... kinda like hitting your head with a theoretical hammer

Niky's and GH's view of the world is "WHAT IS"

jpdm's view is "WHAT COULD AND SHOULD BE"

let us emphasize that again.

From the way he answers, it wouldn't have been successful without subsidy
from GREENPEACE.

You people just dont know when to stop.

[niky]

You people just dont know when to stop.

So says the guy who posts multiple quotes and photographs in quick successions when he doesn't have an answer for the point being debated.

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GH's view of the world is more cynical than mine, and we actually argue a lot over instant messenger. Suffice to say, even if we're friends, we don't see completely eye-to-eye on everything.

But I respect his opinion (usually) because he often has a firm, factual grounding for it.

[jpdm]

GH's view of the world is more cynical than mine, and we actually argue a lot over instant messenger. Suffice to say, even if we're friends, we don't see completely eye-to-eye on everything.

But I respect his opinion (usually) because he often has a firm, factual grounding for it.

Now, I see.

No wonder you are very "objective" and very supportive (of him).

Im happy for you two.

[niky]

I see. No wonder you are very supportive of him and very "objective."

Im happy for you two.

Don't worry, I'll invite you to the wedding, if you like. You get to catch the bouquet...

Of course, you're ignoring maybe half a dozen posts in this thread where I disagree with him, and a whole lot of posts elsewhere where we argue, or where I present an idea and he shoots it down. I honestly can't be bothered to dig them all up, but since you seem to have all the time in the world to dig up old posts and articles and repost them, you're welcome to do it.

P.S.: Getting boooooring in here...

[ghosthunter]

GH's view of the world is more cynical than mine, and we actually argue a lot over instant messenger. Suffice to say, even if we're friends, we don't see completely eye-to-eye on everything.

But I respect his opinion (usually) because he often has a firm, factual grounding for it.

I see. No wonder you are very supportive of him and very "objective."

Im happy for you two.

I guess it works for JPDM if he ignores something else that NIKY posted like:

GH's view of the world is more cynical than mine, and we actually argue a lot ...

and

Suffice to say, even if we're friends, we don't see completely eye-to-eye on everything.

Another example of how JPDM handles issues... by ignoring the obvious facts and substituting them with his own.

[jpdm]

Yes.

I got the message already.

[niky]

I only come in here to debate actualy debate points... it's GH and jpdm who are going at each other like raging wildcats... so why do I get the funky hate mail?

You just admitted the reason why you are so utterly bias against me because ghosthunter is your friend.

Hah.

And I dont respect your opinion because of your blatant subjectivity.

Please quote my "subjective" arguments. I can quote a zillion of yours. You still haven't responded to my math arguments in the other thread.

Your personal attacks are tolerated by ghosthunter in this forum.

Hello? the only ones here attacking anyone are GH and you.

You, uls and ghosthunter are nothing more but "kuyog."

Riiiight.

If you don respect me. I have no respect for you and your shameless bias.

Bias for what? Towards what? I have been covering the automotive industry for the past several years. I have met proponents and players from both foreign and local manufacturers. Hell... one of my friends works for MCX, and I'm ecstatic for what they've accomplished. I was able to meet romski with the design group's meetings with MVPMAP before, and we talked frankly about the reality of the market and the difficulty of making and designing a local vehicle.

What "bias" do I have? Am I pro-foreigner? Anti-pinoy? Merely for outlining the difficulties involved in making and marketing a local vehicle and/or engine?

I'm so anti-pinoy that I post enthusiastically about local owner types and the ACR buggy? I guess I was temporarily insane when I went out to search for the makers of the micro owner-type, hoping to do an article on them or actually buy one... Because I’m biased?

Am I biased against you? Maybe. Sometimes I actually agree with you. But sometimes I don’t. I used to reply to you frankly, and we’ve had some decent conversations, but you simply don’t seem to be able to grasp the idea of someone having a viewpoint different to yours as possibly being right.

Which is probably why you felt the need to create a second log-in to boost your "Thanks" ratings before (yes, I was the one who pointed it out to the moderation staff before, sorry, Mr. True Faith... ).

What I'm biased against is untruth. Whether it's untruth that comes of being dishonest, or untruth borne of not knowing any better. You can see this in where I post and what I post here and on other forums. In your case, I don't know whether it's the former or the latter or a mix of both.

I am willing to debate with you civilly, but when you refuse to engage in an actual debate and start going off on tangents and bring up misleading arguments to derail the debate, that isn't possible.

When that happens, you can always argue with Ghosthunter, as he doesn't seem to mind matching you for childishness. (yes, you're childish, GH, and yes, I still wuv you, man... :hysterical: )

[jpdm]

Just throw whatever insults you what to throw at me.

The post above just confirmed everything.

[ghosthunter]

Just throw whatever insults you what to throw at me.

The post above just confirmed everything.

Let me re-post something:

Can we start at respecting each other's opinions?

Well, just saving myself the effort of typing a thousand chosen words, especially if a single picture would convey it much better and to the point.

Why waste words when someone would claim that MATH & ALGEBRA is a personal opinion? Why waste words when someone's idea of an environmental green movement is the development of tens to hundred thousands more motorized vehicles with internal combustion engines all over the country. Why waste words when someone would ignore your responses/queries and just spam the thread with pointless pictures and ancient news articles in the hopes to bury the posted message?

So back to the question: Can we start at respecting each other's opinions?

Maybe if when their opinion is worth the respect.

[niky]

Of course, we don't have the right, either, to deny lower-income groups access to motorized vehicles should they so desire them and if they can afford them.

The "green" challenge, actually, is to design communities that can exist with a reduced number of motorized vehicles or without them, completely. In other words, redistribute populations and create more job opportunities out in the provinces to ease congestion in the metropolis. The problem with Manila and most modern cities is the suburban sprawl, which has people working and living in locations too far from each other...

Of course, that's a debate for another thread.

Just throw whatever insults you what to throw at me.

The post above just confirmed everything.

Confirmed what? I'm not the one trading insults with you.

And you have yet to provide evidence that supports your assertions about me... and everything I've posted can be confirmed by anyone who cares to read our previous posts on this topic and elsewhere.

I will not be attacked in the privacy of my inbox, thank you. It's reserved for people who have questions that need to be answered.

[ehnriko]

Freeze!!!....

Restart...

Refresh....

[foifoi05]

:popcorn::pepsi:

[v6dreamer]

Just throw whatever insults you what to throw at me.

The post above just confirmed everything.

May I!!!!
Lets cool off for a while.

The internet is really no more than an old party-line phone set up...with graphics(insult etc.). You get ALL points of view whether you want it or not.
In some ways it destroys it-no face to face conversation and I think some have forgotten the art of conversation. Like it or not our computer lives and real lives are merging, when that day comes a-lot of us will be in a load of pain. All opinions are good opinion in my opinion in my most humble opinion. Internet Communications consolidates social interaction because that causes
people to communicate with each other and creates friendships and a whole new concept on creating new social orders of groups of different ideas and social upbringing! It would be very beneficial to all of us w/o bashing each other! People may see you as a different person online in on earth but, it opens up the door for other questions...hope that helped.

[jedi]

guys, please... lets just respect each other sana. admins, supermods, mods and members... no one is above each other in terms of exchanging opinions. please stop from posting images na may nakalagay na STUPID. iba kasi ang dating. hindi tayo parepareho ng opinions sa bawat topic but it does not mean that if do not respect other peoples opinion... eh hindi na din natin irerespecto yung tao.

nakikiusap po ako. lets just start at healthy conversation without naming names

[ehnriko]

I think It's time I change my signature....

We are no better than the causes we are "UNITING" for...

[uls]

it all comes down to money

you can gather the most skilled and talented people in the country and put them in a conference room

from automobile designers to mechanical engineers to sheet metal fabricators

the goal: to build a 100% pinoy car (with 100% pinoy engine and tranny)

but if you don't have a financier in that room, that meeting is just a bunch of people showing each other pictures and drawings

baka sa meeting na yan, KKB pa ang merienda

MONEY MAKES THINGS HAPPEN

[donbuggy]

"No bucks, no Buck Rogers"
- from the 1983 movie The Right Stuff about the USA's early attempts to put man into space. The phrase means that funding is needed to make the rockets go up.

Applies also to the manufacture of automobiles.

[niky]

And they only got that funding due to the enormous political push to get there before Russia did.

Now, if only someone could figure out a way to leverage the idea of a locally-engineered and manufactured car against national pride in negotiating with Congress for financial and tax support...