The 2010 MVDP: Feat. the "Filipino Car" or Philippine Brand Vehicles

[ghosthunter]

re: 100%
yup, i know u did not mention that. but you are bringing up that the components have to be sourced locally to qualify as a filipino product. requirement ba yan para mag-export?

Read my words again.... or did you fail to understand?

What I said was "key components". I did not say 100% filipino sourced, you were the one implying that.

The e-jeepney will be a non-moving pile of junk if not for the electric motor and power controller, which has to be sourced from China. The rest of the components aren't as important since those can be made or sourced locally like the chassis, fiberglass body, wheels, battery, etc...

But do note that even the first ejeepneys used imported batteries as well.

As for mentioning the ejeepney, ask romski123 why he even included the e-jeepney as an export item when it hasn't been exported yet at all.

[ghosthunter]

re: golf carts
question muna. Q:have you tried riding the golf cart?

Yes I have ridden in a golf cart, many times.

ano ba height and weight mo? di ka ba nagkasya?

I fit very well in a golf cart. But the e-jeepney is a vehicle built on top of a golfcart's chassis using a not-so-ergonomic method of seating it's passengers.

bakit yan ang complaint mo sa thread about trade legislation? can you come up with another design of the "golf cart" that can be produced with the same cost? why would you want to solve the petty issues first in place of the cost issue which is more important at this point in time?

I'll do you one better... a public transport vehicle that costs the same as the so-much-praised e-jeepney.

The Mitsubishi L300 PET. Price: P619,000



E-jeepney = P625K and can't go up inclines when loaded to its rated capacity.

[OyiL]

Yes I have ridden in a golf cart, many times.




I fit very well in a golf cart. But the e-jeepney is a vehicle built on top of a golfcart's chassis using a not-so-ergonomic method of seating it's passengers.




I'll do you one better... a public transport vehicle that costs the same as the so-much-praised e-jeepney.

The Mitsubishi L300 PET. Price: P619,000



E-jeepney = P625K and can't go up inclines when loaded to its rated capacity.

ngeK! i didnt mean a golf cart. i meant "the golf cart". the e-jeepney.

ergonomic: the L300 pet passengers looks like they are sitting in the same way you would in an ejeepney. pareho lang pala.

why do you need an ejeepney that would go up inclines? papasada ba yun sa multi-story parking lot ng sm? that would be a capability that will not be used, sayang lang.

[ghosthunter]

ergonomic: the L300 pet passengers looks like they are sitting in the same way you would in an ejeepney. pareho lang pala.

What you don't see is the extra space for the passenger's legs and heads.

This also doesn't have the snail slow top speed of 40 to 50 kph nor a 80 to 120km range limit between recharges. This also doesn't have to bother with replacing all the expensive batteries after a year of use. This also can go up and down inclines steeper than the e-jeepney. This is also available for purchase at all Mitsubishi dealers nationwide and spare parts is no problem too.

BTW from your comment, you obviously haven't tried riding one yet.

why do you need an ejeepney that would go up inclines? papasada ba yun sa multi-story parking lot ng sm? that would be a capability that will not be used, sayang lang.

The roads of metro manila isn't flat and level like a parking lot. This is the reason why the e-jeepney are being tested in Makati City, all the roads being serviced are nearly flat and level.

The e-jeepney can't even drive the length of Quezon Ave with it's max spec load of passengers because it doesn't have enough power to drive up the roads beyond 15 or so degrees of inclination. It would probably end up either draining it's battery or burning out its motor or both.

[OyiL]

What you don't see is the extra space for the passenger's legs and heads.

This also doesn't have the snail slow top speed of 40 to 50 kph nor a 80 to 120km range limit between recharges. This also doesn't have to bother with replacing all the expensive batteries after a year of use. This also can go up and down inclines steeper than the e-jeepney. This is also available for purchase at all Mitsubishi dealers nationwide and spare parts is no problem too.

BTW from your comment, you obviously haven't tried riding one yet.




The roads of metro manila isn't flat and level like a parking lot. This is the reason why the e-jeepney are being tested in Makati City, all the roads being serviced are nearly flat and level.

The e-jeepney can't even drive the length of Quezon Ave with it's max spec load of passengers because it doesn't have enough power to drive up the roads beyond 15 or so degrees of inclination. It would probably end up either draining it's battery or burning out its motor or both.

head to roof area: a passenger, when sitting in a vehicle, only needs 3"-5" of space in-between the top of his head and the roof headliner.

knee space: the average space you get in between your knees and the back of the front seat of a the car when you are sitting in the back seat of a compact car like a getz will be about 2"-4".

this average space should be based on the average filipino height and build.

snail slow: how fast can vehicles drive on the designated ejeepney routes? does the ejeepney need to be as fast as the SLEX lower speed limit to be useful on their designated route? if their current speed capability is good enough for the purpose, there's no speed issue.

range in between charges: is this an issue for the current purpose of the ejeepney?

inclines: the makati ejeepney are traversing the inclines on their route just fine.

spare parts: how many parts does the ejeepney have? meron na ba sila sourcing problem?

batteries: are there battery issues on those makati ejeeps already? this is the same question romski123 asked you before. turned out that the ejeepney you were referring to were not made by the same company who did the makati ejeeps. at this point, the makati ejeeps are still doing well, diba? do you have new info?

design is all about fulfilling requirements and balancing cost. baka wala kang experience dyan. meron ka bang sariling developed na produkto na bumenta na?

yes. never tried ejeepneys myself.

are there complaints from the ejeepney patrons that are the same as yours? complaints from somebody who doesnt even use the product is laughable.

and oo nga pala, this discussion, about ejeepneys, is out of place in this thread. mod ka diba? pwede pakilipat?

[ghosthunter]

head to roof area: a passenger, when sitting in a vehicle, only needs 3"-5" of space in-between the top of his head and the roof headliner.

knee space: the average space you get in between your knees and the back of the front seat of a the car when you are sitting in the back seat of a compact car like a getz will be about 2"-4".

this average space should be based on the average filipino height and build.

And what would be the height of a average filipino? ... And given that it was built for your so-called average filipino, wouldn't it kill the project to give it slightly better headroom and legroom?

I prefer not to brush my knees against the guy sitting across me. He might get to thinking I might be interested in him.

The added leg room would also benefit the people getting in and out of the vehicle. A taller headroom would also do the same, requiring less bending over to move about in the vehicle's passenger area.

Even it is the "standard" used for other similar vehicles like the jeepney and the multi-cabs, it doesn't mean it cannot be improved upon. And making such improvements would only cost very little in terms of materials required ... yet such a simple improvement is not done. For what reason?

snail slow: how fast can vehicles drive on the designated ejeepney routes? does the ejeepney need to be as fast as the SLEX lower speed limit to be useful on their designated route? if their current speed capability is good enough for the purpose, there's no speed issue.

For those caught behind one, they would have a different opinion on the speed issue.

range in between charges: is this an issue for the current purpose of the ejeepney?

brand new, no. But as the battery starts to wear out, the full capacity will start to decline. So the initial 120km max range will be reduced over the year.

inclines: the makati ejeepney are traversing the inclines on their route just fine.

Simply because there are no inclines (greater than 15degrees) in the Makati routes used by the ejeepney.

And for that fact alone that there are no inclines in Makati that the e-jeepney was tested there.

Fact: the e-jeepney cannot be implemented in the other cities in Metro Manila because it cannot climb steeper roads in those cities.

spare parts: how many parts does the ejeepney have? meron na ba sila sourcing problem?

If all the parts are from a single source and that company is either out of stock or even closed, wouldn't that be a problem even if the vehicle only has few parts? Its not the number of parts, it is the availability of spare parts that will be an issue.

Why is it a big issue about spare parts when people buy private or commercial vehicles? It is because it is a fact that all machines will wear out and need spare parts. The e-jeepney is no different.

design is all about fulfilling requirements and balancing cost. baka wala kang experience dyan. meron ka bang sariling developed na produkto na bumenta na?

Fulfilling requirements with an eye on the costs, yes, I do it in our business everyday.

yes. never tried ejeepneys myself.

are there complaints from the ejeepney patrons that are the same as yours? complaints from somebody who doesnt even use the product is laughable.

And that comment from someone who haven't even placed his butt inside one?

I may not use nor need one on my daily routine but that doesn't automatically mean I have tried one.

[uls]

due to the limited usefulness of the ejeepney, the motoring public is not gonna buy ejeepneys for personal or business use

jeepney operators are not gonna replace their diesel-burning PUJs with ejeepneys

the makers of the ejeepneys can only sell them to local governments that want to make a "green" statement and provide short-distance transportation to the public

the market for electric shuttles is very limited here

LGUs lang ang customers

and not all LGUs are gonna buy electric shuttles

from a business standpoint, it's not worth the hassle

it's too much work to sell electric shuttles

the makers have to lobby LGUs (kiss the asses of lots of mayors)

kaya sila lang ang nagbebenta ng electric shuttle dito

nobody except them think it's worth the hassle

there are other ways to make a buck

the sign that a business is hot is when lots of investors go into the same business

we will know when electric shuttles become hot when importers start bringing in electric shuttles from China

so far, it's not hot... it's far from hot

there are more press releases about the ejeepney than units sold

it's their way of advertising their product

the public just goes pero hindi bumibili

even the cheerleaders themselves won't write a check

all they do is go

[jpdm]

Hopefully the new MVDP will encourage more CKD activities in the country like this:

NMPI boosts CKD assembly models

By BERNIE CAHILES-MAGKILAT

June 6, 2010, 11:54am
Manila Bulletin



Nissan Motor Philippines Inc. (NMPI) has launched its new X-Trail CVT model, which is expected to firm up its position in the very competitive sports utility vehicle auto market segment and elevates its status as having the most number of CKD assembly operations among local automotive assemblers.


NMPI President Allen C. Chen told reporters that the launch of the new model would firm up its monthly average sales of 200 units for the X-Trail model.


This would also pave the way for increased a total monthly sales volume of as much as 400 units a month.


At present, however, the Sentra sedan is still the company’s flagship model volume wise because of the popularity of Sentra 1.3 variant.


The new X-Trail CVT, with two variants, would add to the list of NMPI models to be sold here on CKD basis. The other CKD models are Cefiro, Sentra and Grand Livina.



The CKD models account for 90 percent of its total business here and the CBU packs 10 percent for Teana and Serena models.


[SIZE=3]“Nissan Motor Philippines is one with the government in promoting the assembly of CKD vehicles as this will generate bigger employment to more Filipinos,” Chen said.[/SIZE]


Chen also stressed that CKD production will contribute to the development of parts and components manufacturing in the country and enhance the country’s competitive capacity within the ASEAN region.


Chen expects that with the strong growth in the local automotive sector, the industry is going to match the 160,000 unit sales, the highest sales the industry has recorded in 1996, in two years time.



He also said that once the new automotive industry development plan is in place, there would be more foreign investments that would flow into the country.


The X-Trail CVT is the second model launch by NMPI in a span of one month. By the third quarter this year, the company is expected to launch a new premium sedan model.


The X-Trail CVT has a price range of P1.35 million to P1.55 million. Its parts are all imported from Japan at 0 to 10 percent tariff. The new X-Trail 2.5 liter features the XCVT (Xtronic Continuous Variable Transmission) making it stress-free “no-shift shock” and providing comfort to even when driving in tough terrains.

http://www.mb.com.ph/articles/260770...ssembly-models

[romski123]

Read my words again.... or did you fail to understand?

What I said was "key components". I did not say 100% filipino sourced, you were the one implying that.

The e-jeepney will be a non-moving pile of junk if not for the electric motor and power controller, which has to be sourced from China. The rest of the components aren't as important since those can be made or sourced locally like the chassis, fiberglass body, wheels, battery, etc...

But do note that even the first ejeepneys used imported batteries as well.

As for mentioning the ejeepney, ask romski123 why he even included the e-jeepney as an export item when it hasn't been exported yet at all.

pssst wala akong sinabing export item ang ejeepney. Imbento ka na naman.

and kami sa MVPMAP nagtatrabaho kami, we are localizing the components of the ejeepney. local na ang body, chassis, wiring, batteries, etc. And we are working on localizing the motor and controller as well.

and don't balme us for being proud of our work. We are doing something, not just whining about it.

uls desperate of something to be proud of ba? sad way of looking at life. Kung ganyan magisip lahat e di dapat magkulong ka nalang sa kwarto at madepress.

Yazaki Torres is part of the Yazaki group but they have the biggest foreign share (Filipino owned shares) in the group. Kaya nga may Torres sa pangalan. And they have the biggest precentage share of the business in the region. They employ 12,000 people. That is something to be proud of!

uls and gh, ilan ang empleyado nyo?

[romski123]

And what would be the height of a average filipino? ... And given that it was built for your so-called average filipino, wouldn't it kill the project to give it slightly better headroom and legroom?

I prefer not to brush my knees against the guy sitting across me. He might get to thinking I might be interested in him.

The added leg room would also benefit the people getting in and out of the vehicle. A taller headroom would also do the same, requiring less bending over to move about in the vehicle's passenger area.

Even it is the "standard" used for other similar vehicles like the jeepney and the multi-cabs, it doesn't mean it cannot be improved upon. And making such improvements would only cost very little in terms of materials required ... yet such a simple improvement is not done. For what reason?




For those caught behind one, they would have a different opinion on the speed issue.




brand new, no. But as the battery starts to wear out, the full capacity will start to decline. So the initial 120km max range will be reduced over the year.




Simply because there are no inclines (greater than 15degrees) in the Makati routes used by the ejeepney.

And for that fact alone that there are no inclines in Makati that the e-jeepney was tested there.

Fact: the e-jeepney cannot be implemented in the other cities in Metro Manila because it cannot climb steeper roads in those cities.




If all the parts are from a single source and that company is either out of stock or even closed, wouldn't that be a problem even if the vehicle only has few parts? Its not the number of parts, it is the availability of spare parts that will be an issue.

Why is it a big issue about spare parts when people buy private or commercial vehicles? It is because it is a fact that all machines will wear out and need spare parts. The e-jeepney is no different.




Fulfilling requirements with an eye on the costs, yes, I do it in our business everyday.




And that comment from someone who haven't even placed his butt inside one?

I may not use nor need one on my daily routine but that doesn't automatically mean I have tried one.

out of topic ito dito. put this in the ejeepney thread!

and ejeepneys can climb inclines, we have one in Puerto Princesa used by Mayor Hagedorn everyday. Pinang aakyat nta ng bundok!

at walang nagrereklamo sa headroom and legroom. Si gh nagrereklamo pero binase lang sa mga letrato na nakita nya. hindi naman sya user ng ejeepney. hay.