VW's lineup for Manila

[dcph172]

In a nutshell, the Jetta has a better (diesel) engine plus German build quality and exclusivity which the Civic 1.8E doesn't. The Civic on the other hand has top-class Japanese tech and gadetry, a smoother transmission, and the assurance of easier long-term ownership in terms of maintenance and parts availability.

Engine-wise, the 2.0 diesel of the Jetta is more economical. And unlike the Civic's 1.8 that needs to be revved hard to feel the power, the Jetta will shove you in your seat with its low-end torque. My drive with the older Jetta can be described as effortless - it doesn't seem to feel stressed even with a full load.

0-100 of the Jetta is under 9 seconds, the Civic does it in 10-something. Not only does the Jetta accelerate faster, it also feels faster. This is in no small part due to the DSG dual-clutch transmission of the Jetta with instantaneous shifts, whereas the Civic has a relatively lifeless CVT that just drones at the redline when pushed hard. Both cars top out at around 210 kph, however the Civic actually accelerates quicker to 200 kph since the Jetta has long 5th and 6th gears while the Civic's CVT hovers at the redline all throughout.

When it comes to day-to-day driving though, the Civic's CVT easily trumps the DSG in terms of smoothness. All dual-clutch transmissions suck in bumper to bumper traffic.

The judgment on the interior will depend on your taste. The Jetta is typical German - reserved (some might same boring) and simple, but elegantly done. The Civic on the other hand is as high-tech as it gets. Both are well made, although the 1.8E doesn't feel as premium as its RS brother due to the lack of leather anywhere. In comparison, all variants of the Jetta are already leather-clad.

The case for the exterior is also the same. If you like understated elegance and simplicity, the Jetta will impress you. On the other hand, if you like the attention-grabbing physique of the Civic, then the Jetta would look boring. Personally, I appreciate both aporoaches and wouldn't mind either.

In terms of kit, it depends on what variant you're comparing. The base Comfortline has small 16" rims just like the Civic. Both cars would definitely benefit aesthetically from a set of 18-inchers, though the 17s on the Highline are already good enough.

Both cars have got the basics covered - push-button ignition, Bluetooth connectivity, and touch screen head units. You'll need to step up to the Highline to get climate control, which the Civic 1.8E already offers. The Highline also one-ups the Civic with its 8-speaker Fender speakers, power driver's seat, and rain sensing wipers.

The Civic comes stock with LED headlights, which is only offered on the Businessline and Businessline+ Jettas. To parry that, even the Comfortline offers a sunroof, though I'd prefer the brighter headlights on most days. Annoyingly, the Comfortline doesn't even come with fog lamps.

At the end of the day, the Jetta charms me because it's different and rather rare. Not to say that the Civic is a bad car - objectively, both are excellent choices and it really depends on your preference.



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*jut hypothetically speaking, which would you choose, TOL jetta or TOL golf gts? Which do you think has more presence, the sedan or the wagon? The wagon i feel has more street cred to enthusiasts but i think the sedan is more "presentable" if meeting with clients. Unless they're enthusiasts too. I really like the wagon! I daydream about it haha


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[Frisky]

If you can still back out from your Civic deal, I would suggest that you do.

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I changed my mind too, mag Jetta na rin ako

[StockEngine]

its a preemptive move hehe

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[mokong22]

Wag nyo na pansinin si kagalingan. May sayad talaga yan sa pag iisip. Baka hindi lang naka boundery sa pasada nya sa tricycle kaya ganyan mga post nya hehe.

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[sientobente]

kamusta mga boss ang PMS cost ng VW?


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[mokong22]

Wala lang pambili yang si kagalingan kaya ganyan. Di ba kagalingan?

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[EQAddict]

I really want the Golf R 5 door.

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[tobal1]

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[kagalingan]

they can afford it.
we can't.
let's keep it at that.

doc..... if you read my post though "magaspang" pagkagawa ko eh legit yung sinabi ko....

Personally i wont buy car na price below 1.2million na asa sa casa parts.. Maintindihan ko pa kung 3million up exotics...

Sobra-sobra ka makalait ng VW, ano ba sasakyan mo? Hayaan mo yung iba kung gusto nila ng Euro brand kaysa the usual Japanese brand.

Ikaw naman.....kung babasahin mo yung sustansya ng post ko eh legit naman... magaspang lang pagkagawa..

Amen to that, bro! We cannot blame people if they have the extra means to buy more expensive stuff.

Its not really expensive...... "Pa-expensive lang volksy philippines".... Kita naman wala pumatol sa price nila biglang binaba.

Wala lang pambili yang si kagalingan kaya ganyan. Di ba kagalingan?

Sus itong makabarangay kadamay..... Tinaong mo ako kung ano SUV ko..... Natameme ka nung sinagot kita.....

Not one.... Not two.... But three.... SUV pa lang yan....

Tanungin mo ako ano mga sedan ko...


- At itong pinupuri nyo german techno tecnho eh NANDUGAS..... NANDAYA.......

[dr. d]

[QUOTE=kagalingan;2835193]doc..... if you read my post though "magaspang" pagkagawa ko eh legit yung sinabi ko....

Personally i wont buy car na price below 1.2million na asa sa casa parts.. Maintindihan ko pa kung 3million up exotics...




well, we all have our reasons, po.

you can air your thoughts here, just as everyone here does. but you should not condemn in so bilious a manner, other persons' ideas that do not agree with your agenda.
you can criticize in such a nice manner, po, that even the criticized might apologize to you because he did not agree with you.

tama po kayo... magaspang.

my opinion.

OT.

[Egan101]

Hayaan nyo na yan si kagalingan. He has shown us how rude he can be within our threads. It would be a waste of time arguing against his views, valid or not they may be.

[ano727]

Tinaong mo ako kung ano SUV ko.....

Not one.... Not two.... But three.... SUV pa lang yan....

Tanungin mo ako ano mga sedan ko...

Would be nice to see an actual pic of your three SUVs and mga sedans, so we see that it is in fact true.

BTT. Me, personally, I have a VW and other brands, and I choose all of them to be 100% serviced by casa. Until I sell them, they are all casa serviced. Just my preference.

[wavecxs]

Thank you for opening up my eyes on VW. I wasn't taking VW seriously here in RP, I've the impression that it's expensive but skimped on features.

The Jetta, based on what I've backed read and on some reviews I've seen, seem worth considering VS the usual civics and altis.

I've rented a Jetta around 2012, a gas engine. It's totally different from 2015 US model that I saw in YouTube. I remember I exchanged that car for a Focus because it's not very economical to drive. I am curious to try a diesel-fed jetta, I'd be happy if it'll drive as quick/fast as a Ford Focus Diesel.

Wait and see muna for a couple of months about after sales...

[tobal1]

It doesn't say how many months term for the zero interest


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[aargh]

GTI nalang ba available na Golf hatch dito? No more base Golf hatch?

[Egan101]

It doesn't say how many months term for the zero interest


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It would be best to check the local VW dealership on the terms of this promo. Last year, they had a similar promo for 24 or 36 months.

GTI nalang ba available na Golf hatch dito? No more base Golf hatch?

The VW Golf 1.4T was put on sale last Nov-Dec 2016 for 1.1M. It was initially priced at 1.5M.

No news if a new non-GTI Golf will be released anytime soon.

[tagalnasaabroad]

just 2 things to be aware & research on with the latest models (Jetta/Golf GTS)..

1) - engine type is turbo diesel,
- conform to latest Euro V emission standards
- requires a Diesel Particulate Filter gadget..this thing is not cheap but works fine if the engine is run effiiciently & regularly..as one car guro advices, "..The diesel engine: Since late last year (2016) all diesel engines had to comply with Euro 5 emissions laws in Australia, and that means they have a particle filter (DPF). The particle filter needs to be driven regularly on the highway - and that would mean driving at free-flowing highway speeds at least once a week for more than about half an hour. If you do not do this, the required regeneration of that filter will not occur and you’ll open the door to it clogging up, which is a very expensive problem in the service department..."
2) - Gearbox is DSG (german acronym)
what wikipedia says: Volkswagen Group Main article: Direct-shift gearbox
Volkswagen Group produces, so far, the fastest DCTs in the world (8ms) under the direct-shift gearbox name,[10] from the German: Direkt-Schalt-Getriebe.[48] It is used in all of their mainstream marques, including Volkswagen,[11] Audi,[11] SEAT, Škoda, and Volkswagen Commercial Vehicles, and also its top-tier marque Bugatti. Audi originally used the direct-shift gearbox name, but now uses the name "S tronic" for its DCTs.[5]

The first ever worldwide series production DCT was the Volkswagen Group DQ250[10] six-speed dual-clutch transmission,[8] with dual concentric wet multiplate clutches.[8] It was produced at the Group's Kassel plant[1][2] under exclusive license from BorgWarner[5][11] for use in transverse powertrain installations, of either front-wheel drive or four-wheel drive (4WD) layouts.[8] The 4WD versions are fundamentally identical to the FWD versions, but the 4WD versions use an additional bolt-on power take-off unit to direct engine torque to the Haldex Traction rear axle. This DQ250 variant is used in a wide range of models: Volkswagen Passenger Cars (Polo, Golf/Rabbit/Golf Plus, Scirocco, Jetta, Eos, Passat, and Touran); Audi cars (A3, and TT); SEAT cars (Ibiza, León, Altea, and Toledo); Škoda cars (Octavia and Superb); and Volkswagen commercial vehicles (Caddy and T5 Transporter)..
Advantages/Disadvantages: Direct-shift gearbox - Wikipedia


same guro advices, "..Many new buyers are going to be purchasing a car with a dual clutch transmission DCT) and many of those will be owning a DCT for the first time. It’s easy to assume that you're buying another automatic because, you reach down, you take it out of ‘park’, you put it in ‘drive’. It feels like an automatic and it smells like an automatic, but you better not step in it.

By ‘step in it’, I mean, if you drive it like an automatic, that would be a mistake. Sometimes a very expensive one. It’s a mistake to inch forward under load in traffic because, unlike an automatic which has a torque converter, a dual clutch transmission relies on a centrifugal clutch mechanism, of sorts, in between the engine and the transmission. That allows disengagement when you're stopped at the lights, the engine doesn’t stall. Always good.

The biggest mistake you can make with a DCT, is to inch forward under load at very low speed. So if you're reversing routinely up a very steep complex driveway, if you’ve got a trailer on the back and you're trying to do that, or even if you're in traffic all the time and you're use to an automatic which will inch forward all day long up hill, don’t do that in the DCT. That clutch will not be receptive to that mode of use and the repair bill for having it replaced is quite high so, you’ve got to understand, to some extent, what’s 'down there' under the hood and adjust your driving style accordingly.

There’s no problem, intrinsically, with this dual clutch transmission but I’d be driving it like a dual clutch and not a standard automatic. Remember that dual-clutch transmissions are not as refined at low-speed manoeuvering as conventional auto transmissions. They are, however. Better at spirited, engaging driving. They’re designed to handle stop-start traffic - just be mindful of what gnomey-boy said earlier about inching forward under load. Don’t do that.

OR better still: test drive them ..when in doubt ask for many dos & donts..

[Walter]

VWs are not known for their reliability ...

[Altwegg]

VWs are not known for their reliability ...

Can you expount on this? One of my "Cons" for this car is the incompatibility of the DSG with our world famous traffic jams. But oh, how I so want the Golf GTS!

[wavecxs]

yes. according to the SA at Alabang, no more base golf hatch, it used to be available daw.

I just saw the Jetta and the Golf Wagon in the flesh. I like how the interior is laid out, typical German no nonsense dash layout, a good alternative from the sporty civics/mazdas and wood themed altis. Typical modern toys, cruise, audio, and phone controls on the steering, etc.

Seats seem comfortable, both the driver and passenger. The pricing is reasonable for what the car (Jetta and Golf Wagon) offers.

I am not buying soon so I hope the timing goes well with the pesky excise tax.