Uber and Grab no more? LTFRB needs brains

[dr. d]

ang hindi kumampi sa ride sharing, di na iboboto 2 years from now

tayong pinoy?
we have the shortest political memory on the planet.

[Lew_Alcindor]

instead of enjoying the original objective of offering the private car owner some income on the side, some entities have frankensteined it into an easy way of getting into the taxi business, without going thru the usual "regulations and safeguards".

Not "some" but apparently many of them.
BUT you have to wonder why people it seems prefer Uber/Grab than those who are under "regulations and safeguards".
Obviously, may mali sa traditional taxis which I think is being missed out by LTFRB by focusing only on the word of the law.

Kung ako tatanungin, just give all of them the franchise and let the market decide the winner. Protectionism leads to inefficiency and poor service.

[zoomzoom]

Obviously, may mali sa traditional taxis which I think is being missed out by LTFRB by focusing only on the word of the law.

Kung ako tatanungin, just give all of them the franchise and let the market decide the winner. Protectionism leads to inefficiency and poor service.

Amen bro... market dapat mag dictate what's best and not the LTFRB na puro pansariling interes o interes ng (taxi) lobbyist ang pinoprotektahan at isinusulong.... kunwari pinoprotektahan ng LTFRB ang mga mananakay... pero yung mga kolorum na bus at jeepney hanggang ngayon naglipana dahil may payola sa kanila... buwiset.

[dr. d]

everyone has "pansariling interes". even the "market" has its pansariling interes.

[zoomzoom]

everyone has "pansariling interes". even the "market" has its pansariling interes.

Eh di suhulan natin ang "market" na sa Taxi na lang tumangkilik para mawala na uber / grab... how much kaya pansuhol kelangan?

[dr. d]

Amen bro... market dapat mag dictate what's best and not the LTFRB na puro pansariling interes o interes ng (taxi) lobbyist ang pinoprotektahan at isinusulong.... kunwari pinoprotektahan ng LTFRB ang mga mananakay... pero yung mga kolorum na bus at jeepney hanggang ngayon naglipana dahil may payola sa kanila... buwiset.

basic example.
these uber-ists and grab-bers will be on the road longer than i will. they will contribute to the deterioration of the roadway system, more than i will. they should, therefore, contribute to its maintenance, more than i do.
this is one such interest of the ltfrb. it's called "taxes". the de facto taxis should pay their way and not piggy-back on the tax moneys of the others.

mananakays see only their personal issues.
they may not recognize the hidden issues that the government is tasked to see and remedy, so that they-the-mananakays, would not have to.

the least the mananakays can do, is to help the government care for them.

[CVT]

ang tanong eh kung manghuhuli sila ng colurum sa libo libong private vehicle ngayon na nagkalat sa kalsada paano nila malalaman kung uber or grab ung sisitahin nila para ma check kung colorum ba ito o may prankisa.

para silang naghahanap ng karayom sa isang bundok ng dayami nito ha ha ha..

hindi ba maganda rin kung may naka sulat sa gilid ng tsikot mo kung uber ka or grab parang mga uv express din..saka dapat may data base din ung LTFRB kung saan pwede mo malaman kung may prankisa ba o colorum ung sinasakyan mong uber at grab para sa seguridad din ng parahero..

ung parang tinetext sa LTO na PLATE number at lalabas kung register o hindi ung isang sasakyan

Sa ibang bansa,- may prominent na mark sa may windshield na "UBER"....

"The measure of a man is what he does with power" LJIOHF!

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[zoomzoom]

the de facto taxis should pay their way and not piggy-back on the tax moneys of the others.

Every vehicle on the road is charged a road tax di ba... no exemptions... so who's piggy-backing on who?...maybe yung mga pedicab, hindi rehistrado yun di ba?

[zoomzoom]

mananakays see only their personal issues.

If the alternatives are that good (i.e. LRT / MRT/ P2P / PUJ / PUB / Taxis), do you think papansinin ng mananakay ang mas mahal na uber / grab... gusto nga ng LTFRB isaksak yang mga alternatives na yan sa lalamunan ng mananakay... kesyo mas safe, may habol kung maaksidente, kesyo mas bantay nila, atbp.... gumawa pa ng P2P ang LTFRB just to have another alternative to the alternatives... pero ano pinili ng "market"?

[CVT]

^^looks like a good summary to me.

sana ganito ka strict ang LTFRB dun sa mga taxi. Namimili ng pasahero, kontrata instead of metro, pandaraya sa metro, malinis at hindi reckless mag maneho etc

At buluk-bulok ang mga sasakyan na mababaho pa at kulang na kulang sa maintenance....

Nakakahiya sa ating mga locals at mas lalo na sa mga turistang sumasakay ng regular na taxi paglabas ng NAIA...

So so so na ang airport natin,- tapos ganito pa ang klase ng mga taxi....

Nasaan ang lehitimong pag restrikto o regulasyon ng LTFRB sa mga taxi natin, para maprotektahan ang mga consumers? Wala Wala Wala - habol lang talaga ang perang kaakibat sa prangkisa....

Agree to heavily regulate Uber and Grab immediately,- but LTFRB should shoot themselves next and resurrect as a phoenix.

Bottomline,- let the market forces decide who to patronize,- and obviously, this is learning towards uber and grab for whatever their worth is to the consumers... Regulate them, yes,- but Hack-the-Shaq the taxi system to reinvent themselves to be more competitive.

"The measure of a man is what he does with power" LJIOHF!

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[Yatta]

Every vehicle on the road is charged a road tax di ba... no exemptions... so who's piggy-backing on who?...maybe yung mga pedicab, hindi rehistrado yun di ba?

I think he is referring to income taxes.

[uls]

something i haven't heard anyone in media or govt bring up --

DOES UBER PAY TAXES?

no i don't mean those uber drivers

they're independent contractors not employees so they have to file their own income taxes

i'm talking about UBER HQ San Francisco California US of A

money earned in the Philippines is remitted to HQ

considering Uber's philosophy of bypassing governments around the world

it is unlikely Uber pays taxes

[uls]

eto pa

Uber is a foreign company

i'm no lawyer

but doesnt a foreign company need a local partner to operate in the Phils.?

who is their local partner?

[benchman]

something i haven't heard anyone in media or govt bring up --

DOES UBER PAY TAXES?

no i don't mean those uber drivers

they're independent contractors not employees so they have to file their own income taxes

i'm talking about UBER HQ San Francisco California US of A

money earned in the Philippines is remitted to HQ

considering Uber's philosophy of bypassing governments around the world

it is unlikely Uber pays taxes

i don't know how it goes but they don't have official receipts for every ride. so probably, no?

[leonleon]

Ni anino ng resibo wala rin ang mga taxi di ba?

[leonleon]

Hindi pala kumikita ang Grab.

Kala ng LTFRB bilyones ang kita, and they're, ahem, probably salivating to stick a finger in that pie, kaya mainit ang mga mata.

‘We are operating at a loss,’ Grab tells LTFRB | Inquirer News

“Grab Philippines does not make a single peso from its 20% commission on rides. What we make in commissions is returned more than two-fold as incentives to drivers and promos to passengers. We are operating at a loss and have been from the start,” Grab said in a statement on Wednesday.

“Unlike what the LTFRB Board has pronounced, we are not raking in 150 million a month, nor is this about greed as was discussed in media with the chairman. At some point, Grab will begin to aim for profit, but that time is not now, and it will never take advantage of our drivers or passengers,” it added, referring to LTFRB chair Martin Delgra III.

[leonleon]

Even Uber is not making money.

Uber reported a loss of $708m in the first quarter, lower than the $991m it lost in Q4.

[leonleon]

Kaya kung gagaya mga taxi sa Grab at Uber business model, malamang di na rin sila kikita.

Last laugh ang mga taxi, kasi sila at least, kumikita.

And whether we like it or not, in the end, baka sa kakarag-karag na taxi din tayo babagsak.

[leonleon]

eto pa

Uber is a foreign company

i'm no lawyer

but doesnt a foreign company need a local partner to operate in the Phils.?

who is their local partner?

Depends on how they registered themselves.

Pwede 100% foreign owned, say, if they regietered themselves as a branch of the head office.

[uls]

i don't know how it goes but they don't have official receipts for every ride. so probably, no?

i don't know how it goes but even if uber gives you a receipt, does uber ph pay the BIR