Uber and Grab no more? LTFRB needs brains

[baludoy]

Ayon sa twitter Kaya daw pala inupuan ng ltfrb ang kaso ng uber at grab kasi ang presidente ng nat'l taxi operators assoc ay si bong suntay na president din ng duterte for president movement of qc. Bayad utang daw bale ang scenario 😕

when you look into the abyss, the abyss looks into you

[minicarph]

i have a bigger picture scenario why this happened. kasi pag mga ganito always follow the money trail. in the news they say there 7,500 grab legit ltfrb drivers of the 28000 cars registered with grab.

so why did the goverment allow them to do pursue being colorum? simple to improve our GDP. those cars bought for Uber or GRAB translate to better ratings for our economy. at syempre nag-improve pa ang sales ng dalawang major car manufacturer. di ko na sasabihin pero ano ba car ginagamit sa Uber at sa Uber X (the bigger one). yun ang mga kumita so yun ang tignan nyo.

now, since tied up na eto mga hapless colorum drivers na ito, mababaon na sila sa utang so naturally the banks will repossess those cars, and opportunity for the banks again to make more money.

so bakit biglang nagka-voice ang taxi operators ngaun coz the Powers that be allowed it na, it's time to collect hehe

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i wonder how these Uber drivers are feeling right now, being duped by the government or the system and now baon sila sa utang and in danger pa masira ang credit standing nila for years to come, what will happen to them? will they join the rebel movement in the mountains.

pero eto lang talaga nakikita ko nangyari dito. they say their friend is Deakin. eh this guy along with the other guys sa car magazines, syempre kumikita sila pag malakas ang sales ng cars. do they have really lobbying power against the authorities. the best solution is to lobby a group of senators to modify this law. eh kaya makapag-lobby ba ng mga colorum Uber/Grab operators, that will translate to millions in peso lobbying money. eh magbabayad pa sila sa mga cars nila, na garahe na lang ngaun.

moral lesson of the story: don't jump in the bandwagon kagad sa apps ng mga millennials na ito. na-sampolan tuloy kayo ng mga pros sa gobyerno.

though in another sense, thanks for improving our GDP and making our country one of the 10 fastest growing economies in the world. siguro yun na lang contribution nyo, but now I guess that is one mess you are in. pano na cars nyo?

[goodvibes8888]

gamitin nila pang sagasa sayo

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[StockEngine]

umm she "kinda" hitting the ltfrb...or is she trying to run for a position?


Poe to LTFRB: Are reckless buses, jeepneys safer than Grab, Uber? - YouTube

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[CVT]

Kung maayos lang sana ang mga taxi at sistema nila rito, okay lang- ....

Kaso nga hindi hindi at hindi nga e...

Monopoly na kasi ng taxi na palpak ang mga units at serbisyo e.... at mahal pa ang pasahe sa kanila....

Dapat ang ruling ay kung saan panalo ang mga consumers.....

"The measure of a man is what he does with power" LJIOHF!

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[Yatta]

From a certain Jaime Garchitorena via FB:

So i guess the short story is that
1) Uber is a disruptive technology that
2) addressed an urgent transportation need that was apparently unaddressed by a government office which ironically
3) was addressed by the govt office by issuing a TNC which turned Uber into a a public conveyance but
4) the privilege was allegedly abused by the local Uber office (master franchise holder) by
5) not monitoring the true nature of the concept of ride sharing ( 2 car limit)
6) and was collecting fees and issuing usage rights to the platform without
7) properly informing the individual franchisees of the limitations without proper govt license making them violative of laws and is now
8) going to rely on the public's grown reliant (public pressure) on the service to
7) justify its apparent abuse of privilege and it looks like many
8) people are willing to look the other way just because
9) there is a real personal benefit.

[dr. d]

From a certain Jaime Garchitorena via FB:

So i guess the short story is that
1) Uber is a disruptive technology that
2) addressed an urgent transportation need that was apparently unaddressed by a government office which ironically
3) was addressed by the govt office by issuing a TNC which turned Uber into a a public conveyance but
4) the privilege was allegedly abused by the local Uber office (master franchise holder) by
5) not monitoring the true nature of the concept of ride sharing ( 2 car limit)
6) and was collecting fees and issuing usage rights to the platform without
7) properly informing the individual franchisees of the limitations without proper govt license making them violative of laws and is now
8) going to rely on the public's grown reliant (public pressure) on the service to
7) justify its apparent abuse of privilege and it looks like many
8) people are willing to look the other way just because
9) there is a real personal benefit.

lackadaisical involvement from government, and greed from the operator.

[Lew_Alcindor]

From a certain Jaime Garchitorena via FB:

So i guess the short story is that
1) Uber is a disruptive technology that
2) addressed an urgent transportation need that was apparently unaddressed by a government office which ironically
3) was addressed by the govt office by issuing a TNC which turned Uber into a a public conveyance but
4) the privilege was allegedly abused by the local Uber office (master franchise holder) by
5) not monitoring the true nature of the concept of ride sharing ( 2 car limit)
6) and was collecting fees and issuing usage rights to the platform without
7) properly informing the individual franchisees of the limitations without proper govt license making them violative of laws and is now
8) going to rely on the public's grown reliant (public pressure) on the service to
7) justify its apparent abuse of privilege and it looks like many
8) people are willing to look the other way just because
9) there is a real personal benefit.

Jaime Gachitorena - 80s 90s singer

Anyway, his post has some logic. There clearly is some abuse on part of Uber and some of its vehicle fleet. So if we go by the strict implementation of the law, talo talaga sila. But that is only one side of the story.

The other side is the commuters who found the services of Uber and Grab a lot better than an ordinary taxi. The ordinary taxi that deteriorated under the nose of the LTFRB.

I am person outside looking in here. Taga probinsya ako at bihira ako mag-taxi pag lumuluwas ako. Pero for me, the government should ALWAYS look after the welfare of the people. San ba mas safe at mas convenient ang mga tao?

[niky]

Jaime Gachitorena - 80s 90s singer

Tsikot member. "jaime_garch" He's built/commissioned a few custom cars.

He's also in the government. Credit systems and/or microfinancing if I recall.

Good page to follow. Politically neutral, sharp wit, good insights into what's going on from someone who knows how government works.

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^^looks like a good summary to me.

sana ganito ka strict ang LTFRB dun sa mga taxi. Namimili ng pasahero, kontrata instead of metro, pandaraya sa metro, malinis at hindi reckless mag maneho etc

[dr. d]

^^looks like a good summary to me.

sana ganito ka strict ang LTFRB dun sa mga taxi. Namimili ng pasahero, kontrata instead of metro, pandaraya sa metro, malinis at hindi reckless mag maneho etc

well, it's never too late to start.
so is ltfrb now wielding its axe against erring taxis?

[CVT]

^^looks like a good summary to me.

sana ganito ka strict ang LTFRB dun sa mga taxi. Namimili ng pasahero, kontrata instead of metro, pandaraya sa metro, malinis at hindi reckless mag maneho etc

At buluk-bulok ang mga sasakyan na mababaho pa at kulang na kulang sa maintenance....

Nakakahiya sa ating mga locals at mas lalo na sa mga turistang sumasakay ng regular na taxi paglabas ng NAIA...

So so so na ang airport natin,- tapos ganito pa ang klase ng mga taxi....

Nasaan ang lehitimong pag restrikto o regulasyon ng LTFRB sa mga taxi natin, para maprotektahan ang mga consumers? Wala Wala Wala - habol lang talaga ang perang kaakibat sa prangkisa....

Agree to heavily regulate Uber and Grab immediately,- but LTFRB should shoot themselves next and resurrect as a phoenix.

Bottomline,- let the market forces decide who to patronize,- and obviously, this is learning towards uber and grab for whatever their worth is to the consumers... Regulate them, yes,- but Hack-the-Shaq the taxi system to reinvent themselves to be more competitive.

"The measure of a man is what he does with power" LJIOHF!

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[uls]

From a certain Jaime Garchitorena via FB:

So i guess the short story is that
1) Uber is a disruptive technology that
2) addressed an urgent transportation need that was apparently unaddressed by a government office which ironically
3) was addressed by the govt office by issuing a TNC which turned Uber into a a public conveyance but
4) the privilege was allegedly abused by the local Uber office (master franchise holder) by
5) not monitoring the true nature of the concept of ride sharing ( 2 car limit)
6) and was collecting fees and issuing usage rights to the platform without
7) properly informing the individual franchisees of the limitations without proper govt license making them violative of laws and is now
8) going to rely on the public's grown reliant (public pressure) on the service to
7) justify its apparent abuse of privilege and it looks like many
8) people are willing to look the other way just because
9) there is a real personal benefit.

that's part of Uber's strategy

go into a city and break the rules

rule breaking gives them explosive growth

resulting in a large number of people who become reliant on the service

when regulators catch up

Uber relies on public opinion/public pressure to get the govt off its back

[Yatta]

I was listening this morning to Atty. Lizada of LTFRB and she has some valid points. Huwag naman daw magalit sa LTFRB. And it seems Grab is complying naman. Itong Uber daw ang nag-mamalaki. When they told Uber to comply with the directive to immediately stop accepting applications for "franchise", Uber allegedly said, "they will do it tomorrow".

[jaggerx3]

And also, daming nagsasabi mawawalan sila ng hanap buhay etc. Tapos mahahatak daw kotse nila kasi wala pambayad.
Why the hell buy a car for uber/grab. It's not the intention of these kind of business na kailangan mo bumili para dyan. If I'm not mistaken, para talag to sa mga may car na na pang libangan at extra income lang talaga

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[uls]

ano akala nila?

magnenegosyo sila ganun ganun lang?

ganun lang kasimple?

mag sign up lang sa uber/grab, may instant negosyo na?

lahat ng negosyo katakot takot na permit ang kinukuha sa gobyerno

tapos etong sasali sa uber/grab di man lang kelangan lumapit sa kahit anong ahensya ng gobyerno?

ano sila sinuswerte?

[Calistro]

Opportunity yan para sa mga kailangan ng income. Nagkataon meron mga tao fleet ang kinuha. Wala naman nag regulate kaagad.

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[ice15]

LTFRB requires that cars are 3 years old (or newer) for TNVs... So if your car is 5 years old, di na pwede...

I was in Makati 2 weeks ago and chose Uber as my ride home (mas mura kesa Grab and fixed rate, it was a 2.5 hours drive and ayoko makita yung metro na patak ng patak). Driver had a few stuff in the passenger seat, gov't employee daw sya (first time for me to meet a part time driver sa Pinas)... He told me, thanks to Uber, he was able to replace his 90's Corolla with a new Vios. He can set the App that he's on his way home which allows him to get a passenger that's along the way. (400-500 pesos x2 per day)

I agree that Uber/Grab was created for car owners to share their ride, pero realistically, ilan ba sa atin dito ang magsasakay ng di kakilala sa kotse natin...

Since nakaka inis taxi drivers (di lang naman sa Pinas, kahit saan pare-pareho sila, except for Japan... best taxi drivers PERIOD) we chose the lesser evil which are Grab/Uber.

It was originally not made to be a taxi... Kaya nga "ride sharing" tawag sa kanila and before the "X" was introduiced, Uber Black naman talaga sya.

Thanks to Grab/Uber, I don't need to ask our Subd guard to call a taxi... Or ask the maid to call a taxi sa "palenke"

Technology made life easier for commuters.

LTFRB wants to pull as back to the ground negotiating with taxis on the plus 50/100 kasi traffic, kasi may karga, kasi malayo...

Eto ba nanaman yung "Pinoy tayo" kaya tiis tiis lang?

Sometimes I wonder if LTFRB people even take public transport when cameras are not there...

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[ice15]

^yes nadagdagan ng cars sa daan because of TNVs pero these cars are used by small business men...

Thanks to TNVs, di rin nagmamadali bumili ng sasakyan mga tao since may alternative naman...

Just ask Taxi drivers... Bumaba boundary nila thanks to TNVs and dumami na din Taxi operators na di na 24hours and operation (wala nang relyebo drivers nila)

It benefits evewryone...

If only LTFRB people took public transport on a regular basis...

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[minicarph]

oo nga no di na ride-sharing ang Uber. siguro dapat i-modify na nila yan company purpose nila dapat palitan na nila ng road-sharing