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    #131
    Quote Originally Posted by BratPAQ View Post
    This is the 2nd time na about power outage. If this keeps happening many international flights may remove their stop here in PH because of incompetence.

    Saka yung mga tourists na na perwisyo nyan, sigurado hindi na yan babalik.
    Friend ko dapat pauwi ng Jan 1 from Korea, 2 families sila with kids. Hindi pa nakakauwi.

    At first they received an email from PAL with their rebooked flight which was supposed to be departing Seoul last night. When they were checking in na, wala daw sa list ang group nila. Kahit pinakita email, wala daw magagawa yung checkin counter since wala sila sa list.

    They are now rebooked to Jan 5.

    They tried to book flights with other airlines, pero wala talaga availability until Jan 6. The families even split up their bookings para mas may chance sana.
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    #132
    Quote Originally Posted by BratPAQ View Post
    I'm not an expert on this but I know UPS is not intended to be a backup power supply. Generators are, UPS para lang wag mag down while switching to generators.
    It's just semantics. UPSs are considered backup power and depending on the size relative to the load it's powering, can provide anywhere from a few minutes to several hours of battery backup runtime. But since UPS + batteries are expensive to procure and maintain, they keep the runtime down to a reasonable duration until either the equipment can be safely shutdown or a backup generator can take over.

    Quote Originally Posted by dr. d View Post
    and btw, why haven't i heard of gensets in the newsfeeds...?
    In the original article, it mentioned that they do have gensets on standby that can power the system 24x7. It's not clear to me what the sequence of events are and the specific UPS failure modes so I can't say how or why it wasn't used.

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    #133
    sana they televise live, the investigations...

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    #134
    senators and congressmen are smelling blood, publicity .... and money

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    #135
    Last edited by baludoy; January 3rd, 2023 at 12:39 PM.

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    #136
    Quote Originally Posted by dr. d View Post
    and btw, why haven't i heard of gensets in the newsfeeds...?
    Na mention siya doc sa interview ni ted failon at later by cheryl cosim kay bautista, thats the caused of the over voltage thats why they had to shutdown the system. Maraming reason why the UPS will fail but all these reasons will not just happen without warning. Incompetence parin ang caused nyan at ang to blame ay si UPS who cant defend itself na may tangang technician na nag plug sa No AVR protection socket ng UPS.

    Sa interview ng ANC kay Bautista, AVR ng UPS ang gamit ng system.
    Last edited by glenn_duke; January 3rd, 2023 at 12:35 PM.

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    #137
    Quote Originally Posted by baludoy View Post
    Wag na ninyong haluan ng politics yang simpleng kaso ng incomptence. Si Bautista mismo nagsabi na may redundant system ang CAAP , but can only handle less than 40 flights per day(?) why was it not used? he didnt explain. Most likely yung mga naka duty hindi sanay gumamit ng manual puro automatic lang ang alam.
    Last edited by glenn_duke; January 3rd, 2023 at 12:46 PM.

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    #138
    Quote Originally Posted by Devastator View Post
    What we know so far: Philippines' air traffic system fiasco


    So the system was introduced in 2010, but became fully operational in 2019. I won't be surprised if the trolls are going to throw the blame on Pnoy if they read this.
    Ngayon i-claim nila, taga-gupit lang si Digong ng ribbon.


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    #139
    I would argue that the equipment themselves did not fail. There was no evidence that the apparent age of the equipment contributed to the failure.

    It's the UPSs that failed.

    However, for something that is this critical, they need to have a disaster recovery site to mitigate exactly these types of failure modes.

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    #140
    Quote Originally Posted by oj88 View Post
    I would argue that the equipment themselves did not fail. There was no evidence that the apparent age of the equipment contributed to the failure.

    It's the UPSs that failed.

    However, for something that is this critical, they need to have a disaster recovery site to mitigate exactly these types of failure modes.
    Bukod sa UPS dapat me backup system sila lalo na importante yung equipment. Me budget naman kaso sa iba ata ginamit. [emoji16]

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