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    #1
    http://www.autoindustriya.com/featur...this-year.html

    #1 is spot on. I lectured my sister on this.

    #2 & #4 are good.

    #5 didnt mention newer cars with automatic trannies. When youre going downhill and stepping on the brakes, your transmission will use engine braking automatically.

    I dont have these habits though.

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    #1 says 3 and 9 o'clock but I think driving schools still teach 10 and 2 o'clock. It's time the schools update it because 10 and 2 risks breaking the driver's thumbs should the airbag deploy.

    #4 I'm guilty of. I tend to play follow-the-car-in-front instead of looking farther ahead.

    #5 is car dependent I think. Mine tends to accelerate (at least that's how I sense it) if in D while going down steep parking ramps. I have to shift to B.

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    I don't have these habits either. I had a good teacher.

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    Most steering wheels have a thumb 'rest' at the 9 and 3 o'clock positions. This is ideal for me. Resting my hands at 10 and 2 feels unnatural and uncomfortable. I think the 10 and 2 positions were applicable when steering wheels weren't as ergonomic as they are now.

    To me, the ideal steering wheel distance from you is when you stretch out your hands (with your back flat on the backrest), your wrist (not palm) should reach the 12 o'clock position. Too far and you won't have enough leverage to turn the wheel in an emergency. Too near, you risk hurting or killing yourself when the airbag deploys.

    On seatbelts, as the driver, you are responsible to compel all passengers to wear their safety belts. No ifs, no buts.

    I agree that freewheeling at speed in neutral and to some extent, with the clutch depressed (M/T) is bad.

    I wish they publish more articles on road signs and road safety (ie. Right-of-way, meaning of road markings, etc.) These are fundamental skills that ALL drivers must know, but ironically, the most abused.

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    #5
    On modern cars, freewheeling will consume more fuel ...

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    For AT cars going downhill, better to use your manual shifter (if you have it) or paddle shifters. Or shift to D2

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    Except in Canada. They actually have signs that discourage engine braking because "it's bad for the environment, eyy"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wh1stl3r2 View Post
    Except in Canada. They actually have signs that discourage engine braking because "it's bad for the environment, eyy"?
    This is limited to trucks and semi's using Jake brakes. When applied, they produce a loud "BRRRR" noise that bothers communities.

    Our local buses, particularly provincial ones have them. It is usually activated via a stalk switch.



    This is what it sounds like:
    Skip to 1:20 - jake brake disturbing the peace - YouTube




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    Last edited by oj88; January 29th, 2017 at 10:32 AM.

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    karamihan ay exhaust brakes pa rin kahit sa mga provincial buses at mga trucks sa pinas gaya ng hino,isuzu, nissan ud, etc.....nakalagay sa may exhaust pipe usually compared sa jake brake na mismong nasa cylinder head ang mechanism.

    mabibilang lang sa isang kamay ang mga tunay na may jake brakes...yung mga western brands na trucks gaya ng mack, international, etc. e talagang may jake brakes.

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    I don't make any of these mistakes

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    I think rather than saying engine braking, staying at low gears when going downhill is more appropriate, so the car doesn't speed up, which lessens the need to brake too much.


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    Quote Originally Posted by oj88 View Post
    This is limited to trucks and semi's using Jake brakes. When applied, they produce a loud "BRRRR" noise that bothers communities.

    Our local buses, particularly provincial ones have them. It is usually activated via a stalk switch.



    This is what it sounds like:
    Skip to 1:20 - jake brake disturbing the peace - YouTube




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    I accidentally saw this thread. So I remembered when I tried driving a bus several months ago, just to satisfy my curiosity as how to feel driving it. The driver, on our way to a clear open lot, was explaining something about that switch that you need to activate if you're going downhill as he demonstrated it. He wasn't able to explain it very well but he said that it is necessary.

    Another thing, the gear won't engage properly if you don't rev it at about 2000 before you switch gears. Otherwise, I can hear the gears "grinding".

    Going back to the topic, some steering wheels have some kind of contour positioned at 10 & 2 o'clock making it comfortable to rest your hands on it.

    I might be wrong, so it might be that it is there so that I should position my hands below that contour.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wh1stl3r2 View Post
    Except in Canada. They actually have signs that discourage engine braking because "it's bad for the environment, eyy"?
    When gearing low downhill the tachometer rpm will run high, engine will purr like a cat, that will burn plenty of fuel

    Safety (prevent overheating the brakes) over sullying the environment

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    Quote Originally Posted by kisshmet View Post
    When gearing low downhill the tachometer rpm will run high, engine will purr like a cat, that will burn plenty of fuel

    Safety (prevent overheating the brakes) over sullying the environment

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    Modern cars will cut off the gas input once you free wheel IN GEAR

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    i suppose, that would depend on what "free wheel in gear" means.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dr. d View Post
    i suppose, that would depend on what "free wheel in gear" means.
    Sorry, coast in gear.

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    I used to freewheel in the downhill stretches of STAR tollway in my manual before but read somewhere that in N, whether it be m/t or a/t, consumes more fuel because the trottle is in the open position (to keep the engine running, akin to idling) as opposed to coasting, wherein the throttle is closed.
    As regards to no. 1, if you need to know how close the driver should be from the steering wheel, a guide would be to be close enough for the driver to place his wrist on top of the steering wheel. Bahala na sya as to the seatback incline. BTW, the knees should be a fist away from the dash.
    Last edited by bloowolf; July 28th, 2018 at 09:57 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bloowolf View Post
    I used to freewheel in the downhill stretches of STAR tollway in my manual before but read somewhere that in N, whether it be m/t or a/t, consumes more fuel because the trottle is in the open position (to keep the engine running, akin to idling) as opposed to coasting, wherein the throttle is closed.
    As regards to no. 1, if you need to know how close the driver should be from the steering wheel, a guide would be to be close enough for the driver to place his wrist on top of the steering wheel. Bahala na sya as to the seatback incline. BTW, the knees should be a fist away from the dash.
    i used to freewheel.
    until i decided, it is dangerous. one loses some amount of control over the vehicle, which may spell the difference between recovery of control and going off the road.
    also, in the un-likely event that the engine chooses to die, one loses his brakes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bloowolf View Post
    I used to freewheel in the downhill stretches of STAR tollway in my manual before but read somewhere that in N, whether it be m/t or a/t, consumes more fuel because the trottle is in the open position (to keep the engine running, akin to idling) as opposed to coasting, wherein the throttle is closed.
    As regards to no. 1, if you need to know how close the driver should be from the steering wheel, a guide would be to be close enough for the driver to place his wrist on top of the steering wheel. Bahala na sya as to the seatback incline. BTW, the knees should be a fist away from the dash.
    What? Whether you put it on Neutral or in gear when you release the gas pedal the throttle will be in closed position.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dr. d View Post
    i used to freewheel.
    until i decided, it is dangerous. one loses some amount of control over the vehicle, which may spell the difference between recovery of control and going off the road.
    also, in the un-likely event that the engine chooses to die, one loses his brakes.
    In case your engine suddenly decided to quit.. you still have enough vacuum left to assist in braking. Just remember to NOT to pump the brakes

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