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    i heard gagawin na daw nila requirements ang educational attainment sa pagkuha ng license? atleast highschool grad ka na daw, lalo nayung mga kumukuha ng PRO-License.....pra naman daw tumaas ang mga kalidad ng mga drivers natin sa kalsada specially mga jeepney and bus drivers......wat do u think?? TAMA ba yun?

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    It's about %!*$cking time! Can they please revoke the pro licenses of those without a HS diploma?

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    Paano nga yung may prof liscense na ngayon? Babawiin ba nila pag nagparenew? Paano ang trabaho nila kung driving ang kinabubuhay nila.

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    Quote Originally Posted by al shaheen View Post
    Paano nga yung may prof liscense na ngayon? Babawiin ba nila pag nagparenew? Paano ang trabaho nila kung driving ang kinabubuhay nila.

    That's just it.

    Driving a PUV, whether its a jeep, bus, truck, fx, tricycle or what have you is NOT A RIGHT. This holds true whether or not you graduated from high school or obtained a PhD from Harvard.

    Its about time the government starts to impose stricter standards for public utility drivers to whom the riding public entrusts their safety everyday. Dapat nga, pati sa operators, much stricter like having them post a cash bond to answer for damage to property or injury to persons since their drivers flee the scene of accidents they cause.

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    disagree ako dito. kawawa naman yung mga hanapbuhay lang nila eh ang pagmamaneho. so paano na sila mamang jeepney driver, bus driver, delivery van/truck driver, family driver, at kung sino sino pang driver?

    ang kelangan lang kasi sa mga driver at kulang sa atin mga driver (umamin kayo kasi ako umaamin dito), wala tayo disiplina sa kalsada. kahit daanin pa natin sa driving school, papuntahin sa kung ano anong seminar regarding driving ethics, kung walang disiplina sa sarili, nonsense ang mga yan. just my opinion lang mga kapwa ko tsikoteers. umpisahan natin sa sarili natin muna kung gusto natin ng 1 maayos at magandang kalsada.

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    Quote Originally Posted by al shaheen View Post
    Paano nga yung may prof liscense na ngayon? Babawiin ba nila pag nagparenew? Paano ang trabaho nila kung driving ang kinabubuhay nila.
    Then they would have to find another source of livelihood. Far too many people become public drivers for the wrong reasons, and we see the consequences every day. It's bad enough that more people are finding it increasingly difficult to commute with rising fares; add too many drivers jockeying for fewer passengers and racing to meet their daily quota, this adds up to a recipe for disaster.

    It's not just the educational attainment per se; to be a driver by trade means to put people's lives in one's hands constantly in the course of making a living. It requires an understanding of and adherence to traffic laws and regulations, and the discipline you get from school helps ensure that these are met.

    Quote Originally Posted by testament11
    disagree ako dito. kawawa naman yung mga hanapbuhay lang nila eh ang pagmamaneho. so paano na sila mamang jeepney driver, bus driver, delivery van/truck driver, family driver, at kung sino sino pang driver?
    Di hamak na mas kawawa yung mga pasahero, pedestrian at kapwa motorista na madadamay kapag nakaaksidente ang mga driver na yan dahil lang hindi sa sila marunong bumasa ng traffic signs (or worse, hindi sila marunong bumasa at all). Kadalasan pa, tumatakas pa sila para hindi managot sa batas. May nakabangga sa aking jeepney driver March last year, luckily I was insured, at nakapagbigay kami ng statements namin sa police station.

    Kaya lang, several months later, hinahanap ako nung operator ng jeepney niya. Nakikipag-areglo, kasi dumating daw yung demand letter galing sa insurance company, eh yung driver na nakabangga sa akin, umalis na daw kasama yung pamilya. Tignan mo, iniwan pa ng kumag na yun yung operator niya sa ere para sumalo sa atraso niya. Sinong maaawa sa ganung klaseng tsuper?
    Last edited by Bogeyman; April 16th, 2009 at 11:32 AM.

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    i do not think that is constitutional because it is DISCRIMINATORY.

    come on guys, we all agree that there are bad drivers on the road. in fact, very bad drivers. but that does not mean those bad drivers are unschooled. i will not be surprised to find out that the very worst drivers are probably those with high eduction, those lawyers and phd holders who think they are above the rest and use their sirens and bodyguards to shove you off the streets when they pass by.

    it is not right to discriminate. this thing is discrimination, period. you can not discriminate against anyone because of his skin color, his religion, his political leanings, his ***ual orientation, his education, etcetera. if a man who can simply show to the comelec that he can sign his name can run for president of this country surely he can also acquire a driver's license.

    the answer is not barring those who are perceived to be lacking of education. rather, it is educating those who think they know enough. that includes all of us.

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    I beg to differ.

    By its very nature, a franchise granted by the government, so long as its for a public utility is VERY DISCRIMINATORY. Why? The operator of the public service has to prove the he/she has the finacial, technical and legal capacity to operate and maintain such service. In short, the operator has to prove that he/she has all these qualifications before even being given a provisional authority to operate.

    This should be more so with the persons who actually operate these vehicles.

    DISCRIMINATORY? Yes. Unhumanitarian? Arguably. Unconstitutional? Hell no.

    We've all heard this before. "Kabuhayan lang nila ang pagmamaneho". If that were the
    only reason why people should be granted a pro license, our public transport system will never develop any higher than it is now which is unsafe, unsanitary and un-professional.
    Last edited by Altis6453; April 16th, 2009 at 11:36 AM. Reason: spell check

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    Technically, tama si Yebo. Discriminating yan. But, para sa akin, tama rin na magkaroon ng additional requirement in the application of driver's license. Marami kasi ang gustong maging PUV driver nalang, and most of which e mga hindi nagaral or hindi nakapagtapos. Ayaw nila ng ibang trabaho. Ayaw nila ng may naguutos sa kanila, gusto nila sila ang boss. Pag jeepney driver ka kasi, ang gagawin mo lang kasi everyday is pumila, magdrive, then pumila ulit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yebo View Post
    i do not think that is constitutional because it is DISCRIMINATORY.
    The entire process of obtaining a driver's license SHOULD be discriminatory, which is why tests (physical, visual acuity, drug use among others) are administered to determine one's competence in taking to the road.

    A driver's license is not a right given to an individual just by virtue of being born, like housing, education and suffrage; posing a danger to yourself, your passengers, pedestrians and fellow motorists on the road is no joke.
    Last edited by Bogeyman; April 16th, 2009 at 12:05 PM.

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    In the end proper implementation pa rin ng traffic rules. Madali namang sumunod ang mga pinoy drivers eh – bakit sa Subic at Davao? Imposibleng lahat ng drayber dun tapos ng HS….

    Malalang sakit talaga ang mala talangkang isip ng nagpapatupad ng batas dito hwag na nilang paliguy liguyin. Ayusin lang nila yun tapos na.

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    This is just proper. A driver sometimes don't know what a simple road sign means.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oldiskuul View Post
    i heard gagawin na daw nila requirements ang educational attainment sa pagkuha ng license? atleast highschool grad ka na daw, lalo nayung mga kumukuha ng PRO-License.....pra naman daw tumaas ang mga kalidad ng mga drivers natin sa kalsada specially mga jeepney and bus drivers......wat do u think?? TAMA ba yun?
    I am in favor of this but it does sound a little discriminatory. If the applicant is a non-high school graduate then they must give the applicant a seminar then administer a more stricter screening and test for the applicant. If he fails then sorry na lang, but then again it all boils down to enforcement of the LTO on it's written and practical exams.

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    Quote Originally Posted by testament11 View Post
    disagree ako dito. kawawa naman yung mga hanapbuhay lang nila eh ang pagmamaneho. so paano na sila mamang jeepney driver, bus driver, delivery van/truck driver, family driver, at kung sino sino pang driver?
    For all of those saying " kawawa naman yung mawawala ng trabaho", will you be personally responsible for those people injured and killed by drivers who are not qualified to drive a bus, jeep or truck that could have been avoided if the driver was slightly better educated to start with?

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    Rather than requiring high school education to get a driver's license, it might be more practical to require LTO to administer its tests, both written and actual, more strictly. It is common knowledge that many of our PUV drivers (although it does not exclude the others, I'm sure) just got their professional licenses by bribing the LTO personnel conducting the tests. I remember when I took mine wehn I was still a teenager, the test proctor was selling the answer code to each of the applicants and I was the only one who refused and while all of them passed the exam without their papers being checked, the LTO guy told me I failed. I asked to see the papers and saw obviously correct answers were considered wrong. I argued each and every "wrong answers" to the point that he had to grudgingly give me a passing mark (dapat nga 100%).

    I'm sure LTO has improved since then, but still with the way PUV drivers are brazenly ignoring traffic laws and rarely consider road courtesy I don't think a high school diploma (baka kumuha lang yun sa Recto university) can solve an apparent problem in attitude. And with the mass promotion in public high school (where the bulk of the PUV drivers come from, and I'm not anti-poor for stating another obvious fact since I'm also a product of our public high school system- sa science nga lang)

    Besides, the HS requirement would tend to fuel the brewing class war being espoused by Erap and his hordes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by testament11 View Post
    disagree ako dito. kawawa naman yung mga hanapbuhay lang nila eh ang pagmamaneho. so paano na sila mamang jeepney driver, bus driver, delivery van/truck driver, family driver, at kung sino sino pang driver?
    For all of those saying " kawawa naman yung mawawala ng trabaho", will you be personally responsible for those people injured and killed by drivers who are not qualified to drive a bus, jeep or truck that could have been avoided if the driver was slightly better educated to start with?

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    di lang naman PUV ang guilty ng bad driving, i've seen luxury cars, SUV's and other expensive cars with drivers that think just because they drive an expensive car they can bully anyone on the road, park in front of the sign stating No Parking, or do anything they want on the road.

    ang kelangan lang talga ay marunong sumunod sa batas ang mga driver. kanina umaga sa santolan corner ortigas. nkasulat na no counter flowing pero yung fortuner nag counterflow pa din ayun inabot sya ng stop sa kabila. nag trafic tuloy lalo.

    i don't think being a HS grad or even a college grad will solve the problem.
    Last edited by impulzz; April 16th, 2009 at 01:12 PM.

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    I don't think that being atleast an HS graduate will solve the problem. I think LTO should give seminars to drivers at least I think once a month. And I think the gov't should fire the " Kotong " policemen and replace them with better ones. Bakit sa subic naman hindi naman lahat nakatira o pumupunta dun HS graduates eh, talagang strict lang sa Subic, di papayag ng lagay-lagay. Dito kasi sa MM. Bigyan mo P100 okay na. I think the replacing of enforcers and the regular seminars will solve the problems.

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    Actually sa sitwasyon ng bansa natin ngaun, hindi muna natin dapat pinagtatalunan ang educational attainment as a requirement e.

    Ang kailangan ayusin diyan e ung pagpapatupad nila sa examination and issuance of driving licenses. Pati na din ang law enforcement ng traffic rules and laws natin e. Sa Subic kahit gaano kagago magmaneho dito sa MM ang isang driver tumitino pag naduon.

    Kawawa din naman kasi ung naging PUV driver lang kasi un lang ang alam nilang hanapbuhay. Basta ang importante alam nila at sumusunod sila sa batas, wala na ko pakialam dun kung hindi man mataas ang pinag aralan nila.

    I've seen well educated people acting much worse than a "lowly uneducated PUV" driver.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ghosthunter View Post
    For all of those saying " kawawa naman yung mawawala ng trabaho", will you be personally responsible for those people injured and killed by drivers who are not qualified to drive a bus, jeep or truck that could have been avoided if the driver was slightly better educated to start with?

    well maybe ibig niyang sabihin "kawawa naman yung mga matitinong driver na mawawalan ng trabaho.

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