Another ugly elevated tollroad - Rivals Ayala, SM team up for P25-B tollway project

[kagalingan]

Dapat wag pumayag government kahit libre pa. Too much focus sa road na parang ang nagpapaikot ng buhay sa metro manila eh kalsada/kotse.

If they really want to build a road eh i dare them to build an underground road. Tingnan ko kung kaya ng bulsa nila.

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Rivals Ayala, SM team up for P25-B tollway project


Published March 31, 2017, 10:00 PM

By Emmie V. Abadilla

The country’s biggest property groups – the Ayalas and SM – have teamed up for a P25-billion unsolicited toll road to cut travel time to their huge malls in two cities – the Ayalas’ Makati Central Business District (CBD) and the Sys’ SM Mall of Asia (MOA) in Pasay.

Rivals Ayala Corp. Infrastructure Holdings Corporation (AC Infra) and SM Investments Corp. (SMIC) yesterday submitted their unsolicited proposal for the C3 Elevated Expressway (C3EX) to the Department of Public Works and Highways (DPWH).

Both committed to finance, design and build the four-lane, 8.6-kilometer C3EX to link Sta. Mesa, Manila to the MOA Complex, Pasay City via the Makati CBD.

Other groups are interested to join the project but discussion is still ongoing with about a couple of other prospective proponents, AC Infra President and CEO Jose Rene D. Almendras told reporters.

The C3EX, which will be completed in three years, will offer an alternative route from the Pasay and Makati CBDs to the cities of Mandaluyong, San Juan and Manila, reducing traffic congestion along EDSA and improving access to the Manila Bay development areas.

From C3 Sta. Mesa, the elevated toll road will traverse a portion of the Pasig River up to the Circuit Makati area, run parallel to South Avenue and follow Sen. Gil J. Puyat Avenue all the way to the MOA Complex.

Its maximum capacity will be 150,000 vehicles although they plan to operate it at 100,000 vehicles moving at 60 kilometers per hour.

The C3EX, which creates a jump-over to the North, will even complement San Miguel Corporation (SMC)’s Ninoy Aquino International Airport (NAIA) Expressway in the South.

“It will be a game changer for Metro Manila traffic and cut travel time to Makati by 75 per cent,” he noted.

“It’s a good project for addressing traffic,” added Tristan Choa, SMIC VP for Investment Portfolio.

And the government “will not spend a single centavo” according to Almendras. They will reimburse the government for the Right of Way (ROW) worth “a few billion pesos”.

[StockEngine]

we need more roads. hope it gets approval fast(lawmakers get their dibs) wtf

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[kagalingan]

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Piling up elevated roads hindi maganda. Not a sound architecture.

Sabi nga ni architect palafox. Ang elevated road ay trabaho ng pananadaling-aliw. Kumain ka ng buffet at dahil gusto mo sulitin eh bubuksan mo zipper ng pantalon para makahinga ng konti at kain na naman ulit pero bagsak mo din eh comfort room.

Underground is the way to go.

[StockEngine]

you cannot widen roads...you cannot dig underground its not feasible. it will cost 10x more.

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[glenn_duke]

you cannot widen roads...you cannot dig underground its not feasible. it will cost 10x more.

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Capex lang naman ang mahal sa umpisa ng underground, majority adobe ang bato sa ilalim ng MM, ito yung bato na gustong gusto ng mga mechanized tunnel borer, sisiw ang 500 meters per day sa tunnel borer sa ganitong bato.
Ang challenge lang dito ay dewatering, pero dahil sa majority ay adobe ang bato, hindi ito nag hohold ng tubig. Ang second challenge ay ventilation, kailangan mag winze ka ng openning sa surface, dahil dadaan ito sa mga unconsolidated na bato na pwedeng maging source ng water seepage, magastos sa waterproofing.
Ang pangit lang kasi sa mga skyway, pag pangit ang engineering design, sumisikip lang yung kalsada sa ilalim, yung space na nawala sa ground level ay nilipat lang sa itaas.

[StockEngine]

only problem i see is the projects capacity is only 150,000 vehicles. we should be looking twice that capacity.

this only provides temporary relief for several decades.

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[glenn_duke]

Underground highway is really the way to go for MM, ang problema lang yung geographical setting ng Pinas, na prone sa earthquake.
Mahal ang maintenance at repair kung masira ng lindol. Although yung Skyways ay hindi rin earthquake proof pero mas mura at madali ang repair kung kinakailangan.
Problema din sa underground highway ay maintenace cost, dewatering at ventilation. Most likely ang toll fee nyan ay nasa around P250 at 300,000 vehicles per day traffic.
Ang maganda lang sa underground mas flexible sa design at routes, once na start na, tuloy tuloy na ang pagdevelop ng additional artery within MM.
And during typhoon, pwedeng gamiting flood water reservoir yung tunnel. In the long run mas beneficial yung may system ng underground roads ang MM.
Economically feasible naman ito, mag diet lang sa corruption yung mga govt officials natin.

[niky]

Underground highway is really the way to go for MM, ang problema lang yung geographical setting ng Pinas, na prone sa earthquake.
Mahal ang maintenance at repair kung masira ng lindol. Although yung Skyways ay hindi rin earthquake proof pero mas mura at madali ang repair kung kinakailangan.
Problema din sa underground highway ay maintenace cost, dewatering at ventilation. Most likely ang toll fee nyan ay nasa around P250 at 300,000 vehicles per day traffic.
Ang maganda lang sa underground mas flexible sa design at routes, once na start na, tuloy tuloy na ang pagdevelop ng additional artery within MM.
And during typhoon, pwedeng gamiting flood water reservoir yung tunnel. In the long run mas beneficial yung may system ng underground roads ang MM.
Economically feasible naman ito, mag diet lang sa corruption yung mga govt officials natin.

The problem I see is the quality of the engineering of some of the structures that they will be boring under.

Wala pa ngang tunnel, may nag-co-collapse na.

[StockEngine]

The problem I see is the quality of the engineering of some of the structures that they will be boring under.

Wala pa ngang tunnel, may nag-co-collapse na.

I wouldnt be driving in a tunnel made by these developers.

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[StockEngine]

underground solution is too risky for these developers. hence it will not happen.



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[glenn_duke]

underground solution is too risky for these developers. hence it will not happen.



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Of course, its private finance, they will get the cheapest and faster to build design.
Expect another Naia-1-2-3 connector road quality. Full of safety flaws.
Toll here will play around P60 to P100.
If they will build these elevated roads interconnected with the on-going Sky-Nlex connector roads, then these could be beneficial, if not they will just make the traffic worst below.

[absinthe]

“They cannot build this project,” >>> Ramon S. Ang :D

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SMC not keen on Ayala-SM tollroad proposal
By: Daxim L. Lucas - Reporter /
*daxinqPhilippine Daily Inquirer /
12:12 AM April 03, 2017

San Miguel Corp. president Ramon Ang has turned down an invitation for the conglomerate to participate in a P25-billion elevated tollroad project that would be built jointly by the Ayala and SM groups.

Not only did Ang reject the idea of joining the project, he also said the proposal of the two companies would do nothing except to duplicate—and siphon motorists and revenues away from—San Miguel’s own tollways, which connected the endpoints that the proposed rival road aimed to serve.

He said the proposed project unveiled in a press briefing on Friday by Ayala executive Rene Almendras was also trying to undermine another San Miguel project that would connect Sen. Gil Puyat Avenue in Makati to Macapagal Avenue in Pasay City, which was filed with regulators earlier.

“They cannot build this project,” Ang said. “It will cannibalize our Naia Expressway for which we paid the government an P11-billion premium.”

San Miguel’s newly completed Naia Expressway connects the Pagcor Entertainment City complex adjacent to SM’s Mall of Asia development to the Skyway system, which allows motorists to connect with northern Metro Manila faster by bypassing the heavy at-grade vehicular traffic.

“What’s the distance between Mall of Asia and Pagcor City? These are just side by side,” Ang said. “they just want to duplicate what we have. And they want to get that (proposed concession) for free?”

In addition to the P11-billion premium paid to the government just for the right to build Naia Expressway, San Miguel spent another P15 billion to build the elevated roadway, in addition to the cost of financing the project—at least P26 billion.

Officials of the conglomerate said that, in the event regulators would approve the proposed Ayala-SM tollroad, San Miguel would have to invoke provisions of its own concession agreement which would require the state to compensate Naia Expressway’s owners in the event of so-called “material adverse government action” (Maga).

“Maga is the same thing the Ayala group is using today [to gain compensation] for the LRT1 Extension project,” San Miguel official Lorenzo Formoso said. “If government approves anything that affects the viability of our concession, they will have to compensate us.”

Ang expressed hopes that the government will carefully consider the issue since any compensation that will have to be paid to San Miguel as a result of favoring the Ayala-SM proposal will have to come from the state’s coffers.

“The taxpaying public will be inconvenienced,” he said.

[kagalingan]

Problem kasi sa mga ganito nagpresenta to make an elevated road eh patse-patse mangyayari long term. Tayo dito....after 20 years tayo na naman......massage, rinse....lather....repeat. Ang lego maganda lang tingnan pag laruan.

Ang iniisip lang how to move cars. Paano naman yung unsightly/ugliness ng elevated road..... Do you find osmena to magallanes beautiful.....Kulob!!!! Paano na ang sinag ng araw....Paano na yung view...... Paano ang trees..... Nawawala ang harmony.....Nakakasira sa community.

Ang trend sa pinas pag may intersection tayuan mo ng elevated road.

Sa elevated road ang dami lilikuan kaya humahaba ang kalsada. Pag underground mas maiksi pero magastos talaga. Pag nakuha ko na yung $200billion gibain ko talaga mrt , lrt, skyway.

[kagalingan]

engineer architect glenn duke,

Possible ba pag elevated road ang height eh pang 10thfloor to 20th flloor para hindi kulob sa ilalim?

Kasi ang nangyayari sa sobrang lapad ng poste eh sumikip naman.

Wala pa bang technology na yung foundation eh kasing lapad ng poste ng meralco....

[CVT]

" Build it and they will come.... "

[Manilablock]

Work from home ang kailangan, faster internet na affordable, you won't add to traffic if you can make money at home.

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[beetlebmble]

Underground long or stretch hybrid bus ang magandang ilagay. Locally made para later on maging yung technology sa ganitong mga sasakyan ay lalong macommercialize .. creating more jobs ( advancement din sa ating local battery industry). We now have DICT , the government side, to also oversee.

[RR_22]

Why not? We have been clamoring for additional roads right?

I hope before this gets approved, can we also have unsolicited proposal for Urban Planning?


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[EQAddict]

Im all for this if it helps alleviate traffic. My life is pratically ruled by traffic. So this gets a thumbs up from me. Hope its approved.

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[crazy_boy]

Sa bangkok puro elevated highways din. Pero sana magpalagay ng rfid yung mga gagamt to prevent traffic build ups sa toll booths


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