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June 21st, 2020 03:09 PM #41
Kaya nga sabi ko depende sa kalsada. Paano yun sinabi ni sweet na nawala traffic sa Taft ngayon dahil wala na rin jeeps and buses dumadaan doon. I'm assuming ganun din doon mas marami private vehicles compare sa public.
So yun hinto hinto kung saan saan nag bara ng kalsada nawala kaya diretso lang takbo walang traffic. Wala naman kasing reason para tumigil sa kalsada mga private vehicles unlike public.
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June 21st, 2020 03:09 PM #42
For me volume talaga big factor diyan. May bus lane naman sa edsa dun sila magbuhol buhol pero bakit yung lane ng private cars traffic pa din, eh kasi puno.
Since third world tayo parang ang elitista nung babawasan yung bus para dire-diretso ang private cars. Pag rush hour hindi lang sasakyan ang nagpapaclog sa daan, nagkalat din ang commuters sa kalsada agawan ng masasakyan.
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June 21st, 2020 03:11 PM #43
Nakasakay ka na sa bus sa Cubao papunta Monumento or Fairview pag gabi doc? Agawan yan. Puno lahat. Kaya may spillover ng pasahero sa daan kasi nakikipagunahan dun sa next bus.
Same case sa Ayala, sa Crossing, sa Philcoa. Tayuan ang bus. Lumuluwag lang kapag nasa Litex na. Pag nagbawas ka ng bus sa mga rota na yan sa oras na yan, paano uuwi yung mga empleyado na walang sariling kotse?
Ang bus, hindi puno kapag pabalik (i.e. galing Fairview or Monumento pabalik ng Baclaran or Alabang). Pero paano naman sila babalik sa terminal sa Baclaran/MOA/Alabang kung hindi sila babyahe pabalik sa EDSA?
The systematic way to do it is to have centralized dispatching, scrapping the boundary system, and strict implementation of bus stops. But because city bus operators are able to influence regulations, they are able to keep the antiquated privatized dog-eat-dog system that we have today because it maximizes profits for them at the detriment of the entire transpo network.
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June 21st, 2020 03:21 PM #44
Anecdotal, di na naman data-based. What are the pre-post numbers?
I also have anecdotal first-hand experience that C5 (which has no bus routes and jeeps) remains clogged even today. Also experienced the same in Commonwealth (like the example I showed above). Same experience on Marcos Highway. Traffic pa rin dahil maraming kotse. Mas maluwag slightly than if you had public transpo, but the point stands - private cars cause the most traffic.
I agree - simple lang naman eh. Put yourself in their shoes. Lahat ng nagcocomment dito mga private car owners - kelan kayo last sumakay ng bus at jeep para umuwi from Makati/BGC to Novaliches or whatever far-flung suburban area?
I have lived longer as a commuter than as a private car owner and trust me, during rush hour the trains, buses, jeeps and tricycles are never enough. Pagod ka na sa trabaho, pagod ka pa sa pila, tayuan pa yung bus so di ka makakaidlip (baka madukutan ka pa). Araw araw yan, yung byahe ng private car na 1.5 hrs-2 hrs lang, sayo 3-4 hrs.
Kaya ang kailangan is greater public transpo capacity - more trains, more buses (with efficient dispatching and routes).
Once you're able to provide for this, tax car ownership exorbitantly. Private cars are still more convenient so people should pay for that convenience (that inconveniences the riding public due to road congestion). This is the direction that all developed cities have taken - less private cars, more public transpo and biking.
Also interesting what you mentioned about elitism, there's really a sociological aspect and it emanates in this thread:
The sociology of EDSA traffic | BusinessWorld
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June 21st, 2020 03:39 PM #45
Baka naman puro container trucks naman andyan wala nga mga jeep puro trucks naman?
Diba sa C5 pag andyan mga trucks sobranf traffic pero pag truck ban hinde naman.
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June 21st, 2020 04:19 PM #46
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June 21st, 2020 04:20 PM #47
Even on the roads with the highest truck congestion, they only comprise <10% of road volume (i.e. sa C5, 1 lane lang ang truck pero 4 lanes ang kotse)
Anyway paikot ikot na, dami ko nang pinresent na data point. Ikaw puro anecdotal lang. Basta hindi private may kasalanan ng congestion sa metro manila. Kahit na 2.5M sila vs a few hundred thousand of all other vehicle types. Ok got it!
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June 21st, 2020 04:24 PM #48Kapag coding, suwerte ako may convenient P2P bus route at 4pm ang uwian kaya wala pa pila.
Na tsempo dati walang P2P, aba ang siksikan sobra sa ordinary bus, tayuan na sardinas.
Kung kasing convenient ng P2P na maraming ruta ayos. Kaso hindi lahat naman kaya ang pamasahe niyan.
Maganda naging exclusive bike lanes ang outer lanes. Safe, mas democratic, pabor sa hangin na mamana ng anak natin.
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June 21st, 2020 04:31 PM #49
Hinde lang private or public ang cause ng traffic yun infrastructure, undisciplined drivers...sa theory or numbers glaring talaga yun numbers ng private vs public pero mga nangyayari sa kalsada Hindd naman na pickup ng numbers eh.
Ilan beses nag stop mga buses or jeeps kung saan saan at mag cause ng traffic? Nakukuha ba ng data yan?
For example sa EDSA diba meron lang part na Traffic talaga after malagpasan mo wala na? Ano reason dahil nagbuntis na dahil naka harang na mga buses.
Kahit 10 pa private cars pero diretso lang takbo nila tapos makakarating agad sa destination na walang magbistorbo na public vehicles walanf traffic eh kung melrn isang bus na hinto magsanay tapos harsnagsng yun daanan ng 10 private cars mag traffic na yan damay damay na hanggang tumukod.
Yun sa C5 naman wala nga stop light pero nakita mo naman pag wala ng truck ban kahit middle lang sila traffic pa rin sa laki nila. Pero before and after ng truck ban wala Traffic.
Sa Taft to divisoria kaya traffic ba ngayon walang mga jeeps? Just sa cityhall traffic kaya ngayon?
So depende sa kalsada guide lang yan numbers pero dapat makita din yun actual ano ba talaga dahilan
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Buhay na buhay ang BGC this evening. Bukas halos lahat ng restaurants. Sabi pa nung isang cashier...
Traffic!