Traffic In Manila - Who Contributes The Most?

[dr. d]

Saka diba pre-covid eh mga buses ilan lang sakay pero nasa daanan pa rin tapos antay-antay ng pasahero pati mga jeeps.

Saan ba daanan traffic ngayon? EDSA? How about yun mga secondary roads ngayon wala ng mga jeep saka ibang bus?


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nowadays,
if you have to go somewhere and there are no public transport,
you have to take your car.
it's probably one reason why there are so many cars on edsa or taft or....
my wife has to go to work. normally, she takes public transport. nowadays, i have to driver her.

[shadow]

nowadays,
if you have to go somewhere and there are no public transport,
you have to take your car.
it's probably one reason why there are so many cars on edsa or taft or....
my wife has to go to work. normally, she takes public transport. nowadays, i have to driver her.

How's the traffic? As bad as pre-covid?


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[dr. d]

How's the traffic? As bad as pre-covid?


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it is actually considerably better now. no huge provincial behemoths and buses.. no PUJs clogging the intersections.
it would be the height of selfishness, if i were to wish that it remain like this.
wala lang nga kaming office personnel. they can't commute to work, as there are no public utility vehicles around.

[jut703]

Saka diba pre-covid eh mga buses ilan lang sakay pero nasa daanan pa rin tapos antay-antay ng pasahero pati mga jeeps. !

Di ko alam kung kelan ka last nagcommute, but if you've ever been at the EDSA cor. Ayala bus stop 5pm onwards every weekday, or sa Crossing or sa Cubao, you would know na hindi bakante mga bus. Siyempre may patay na oras (usually mga 11am-4pm) on some routes - pero may mga ruta at oras din na laging puno. So it's route rationalization, not an outright oversupply of buses, that's the problem. Same issue with jeeps - because they're privately operated, hindi match ang supply ng jeep sa daan sa demand ng pasahero at that time - basta byahe lang ng byahe. Jeepney modernization will not solve this unless it also comes with central dispatching , which is true for all PUV systems in all developed countries.

Saan ba daanan traffic ngayon? EDSA? How about yun mga secondary roads ngayon wala ng mga jeep saka ibang bus?


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Here's an example - Commonwealth Avenue. On a typical day this would have jeeps (Quiapo-Fairview) and buses (Buendia-Fairview) which would take up the rightmost lanes. Eh ngayon wala sila pero puno pa rin ng private cars:


In stark contrast, this is how the roads looked like during ECQ nung walang private cars:


A more relatable example would be Holy Week - halos walang private kasi nasa probinsiya or nagpapahinga. Bumabyahe pa rin naman mga bus at jeep kasi sayang kita. Pero sobrang luwag pa rin compared to today.

Bottomline - pinamakalaking contributor ng traffic ay private cars. Pero hindi magcocommute ang may private car kasi bulok ang public transpo and hindi maayos pamamalakad ng gobyerno. Pero dahil private motorists din ang cause ng traffic, edi wag sisihin ang PUV dahil tayo ang mas may kasalanan sa traffic. Kalampagin ang gobyerno na dapat nagdadagdag ng tren sa MRT at gumagawa ng centralized BRT and jeepney dispatch system.

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[dr. d]

i wonder,
how many of these car passengers now on the road, would instead be taking the bus, were the bus available for the taking?

i now drive my wife to the office, because the formerly-available public transport vehicles are not available.

[shadow]

I think it depends on the area like Sabi ni sweet walang traffic sa Taft, which we know puro jeep diyan, ewan ko kung pati bus wala pa rin diyan ngayon. So without PUVs in the Taft nawala traffic.


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[Wh1stl3r]

COVID has revealed the answer - obviously private cars.

The past few days I've been driving, traffic is roughly as bad as when it was pre-ECQ. And that's with zero public transpo.

Nasaan na yung mga nagsasabi na kasalanan ng PUV? Kesyo wala daw disiplina, etc etc. It's clear as day that cars take up most of our roads even with an average of just 1-2 people per car.



I hope every single car owner in Metro Manila takes a hard look in the mirror and admits that WE ARE PART OF THE PROBLEM.

Does it mean we would all give up our cars? Of course not. But next time any of us gets stuck in traffic, suck it up because you contribute to the problem too.

Yes we need the government to provide better public transpo systems. So blame them and not bus drivers forced to live cutthroat lives on the road because of the antiquated boundary system.

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Couldn't agree more. Current situation highlights the urgent need for more effective public transport.

Long term decongestion plans should include aggressive government incentives for living and operating businesses in the provinces.

[dr. d]

Long term decongestion plans should include aggressive government incentives for living and operating businesses in the provinces.

i agree with this.
government should make it attractive to live outside the NCR.

also, without effective population enlightenment, population will always out-number any infrastructure effort.

[shadow]

Couldn't agree more. Current situation highlights the urgent need for more effective public transport.

Long term decongestion plans should include aggressive government incentives for living and operating businesses in the provinces.

Hinde lang naman ngayon sinasabi na kailangan ng efficient public tranaport. But how?

Meron ako narinig na interview lahat ng pautot na ginagawa ngayon sa EDSA hinde na kailangan kung concentrate nila yun effort and resources sa existing MRT natin. Dagdagan na nila marami yun mga trains para mabilis turnover rh di walang pila sandali lang antayin eh di mas marami na sasakay MRT at mabawasan na gagamit ng kotse


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[dr. d]

Hinde lang naman ngayon sinasabi na kailangan ng efficient public tranaport. But how?

Meron ako narinig na interview lahat ng pautot na ginagawa ngayon sa EDSA hinde na kailangan kung concentrate nila yun effort and resources sa existing MRT natin. Dagdagan na nila marami yun mga trains para mabilis turnover rh di walang pila sandali lang antayin eh di mas marami na sasakay MRT at mabawasan na gagamit ng kotse


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yes!
dagdagan at dalasan ang lrt and mrt trips. how does three bagons every three regular minutes sound?
it seems so obvious, i do not understand why our decision-makers do not see it.

and, oh!
give it an honest-to-goodness maintenance and improvement budget.
that way, it won't bog down nor become obsolete.

[Wh1stl3r]

Hinde lang naman ngayon sinasabi na kailangan ng efficient public tranaport. But how?

Meron ako narinig na interview lahat ng pautot na ginagawa ngayon sa EDSA hinde na kailangan kung concentrate nila yun effort and resources sa existing MRT natin. Dagdagan na nila marami yun mga trains para mabilis turnover rh di walang pila sandali lang antayin eh di mas marami na sasakay MRT at mabawasan na gagamit ng kotse


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Pag nilegalize nila yung kickback sa MRT ang bilis nyan.

[shadow]

Saka dapat complimentary ang buses sa EDSA hinde competition sa MRT.

Pati jeeps dapat complimentary hinde competition wala na dapat jeep sa mga dinadaan ng buses and vice versa
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[dr. d]

Saka dapat complimentary ang buses sa EDSA hinde competition sa MRT.

Pati jeeps dapat complimentary hinde competition wala na dapat jeep sa mga dinadaan ng buses and vice versa
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our leaders have been promising that for decades.
none have delivered, yet.

they raise the issue after they get elected, but conveniently forget to use it as a campaign promise, come next election time.

[shadow]

Kung rush hours takagng traffic dahil sabay sabay nasa daanan from point A to B per for private cars pagnakarating na naka park na lang until evening rush hour nanaman unlike PUVs may laman or wala nasa kalsada.

Pakiulit hinde ko masyado nabasa yun kung bakit pre-covid pag meron strike jeeps walang traffic?


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[dr. d]

Pakiulit hinde ko masyado nabasa yun kung bakit pre-covid pag meron strike jeeps walang traffic?


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dahil hindi na lang pumasok ang marami, dahil may jeepney strike raw at walang masasakyan.
kahit yung may sariling sasakyan, biglang nawala ang sasakyan nila at hindi raw maka-pasok dahil walang dyip.
not to mention, some offices or LGUs, suspend work when there is jeepney strike.
heh heh.

[jut703]

Kung rush hours takagng traffic dahil sabay sabay nasa daanan from point A to B per for private cars pagnakarating na naka park na lang until evening rush hour nanaman unlike PUVs may laman or wala nasa kalsada.

Pakiulit hinde ko masyado nabasa yun kung bakit pre-covid pag meron strike jeeps walang traffic?


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Walang nagsabing hindi nababawasan ang traffic pag walang jeep. Pero ang bawas sa traffic sa lahat ng strike na naabutan kong nasa daan ako is mga 10% reduction in traffic.

In comparison pag walang private car, sobrang luwag ng daan - more than 50% reduction.

Simpleng numbers nalang - there are 75,000 jeeps and 13,000 buses in Metro Manila, compared to 2.5 million cars.

Kahit jeep na halos walang laman, kung may 3-4 na pasahero yan edi mas marami pa yan sa average sakay ng private.

Ano ba point mo, mas nakakacontribute ng traffic ang PUV kaysa private? [emoji854]

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[shadow]

Walang nagsabing hindi nababawasan ang traffic pag walang jeep. Pero ang bawas sa traffic sa lahat ng strike na naabutan kong nasa daan ako is mga 10% reduction in traffic.

In comparison pag walang private car, sobrang luwag ng daan - more than 50% reduction.

Simpleng numbers nalang - there are 75,000 jeeps and 13,000 buses in Metro Manila, compared to 2.5 million cars.

Kahit jeep na halos walang laman, kung may 3-4 na pasahero yan edi mas marami pa yan sa average sakay ng private.

Ano ba point mo, mas nakakacontribute ng traffic ang PUV kaysa private? Haha.

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Ilan private vehicles ang nasa kalsada ng sabay sabay the whole day versus public? During rush hour Ilan number ng private versus public then off peak ilan din?

Kailan walang private cars nawala sa Daan? Pag holiday? Ganun din bawas din siguro public vehicles sa daab?

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[jut703]

Ilan private vehicles ang nasa kalsada ng sabay sabay the whole day versus public? During rush hour Ilan number ng private versus public then off peak ilan din?


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Average of 250k cars vs 13k buses on EDSA.

FAST FACTS: State of Metro Manila’s public transport system

In 2018, the Metropolitan Manila Development Authority (MMDA) reported that the average daily volume of cars passing EDSA was 251,628, dwarfing public utility buses that averaged 13,356.
Public utility buses comprised only 3% of total traffic along EDSA in 2017.

How many vehicles pass through EDSA everyday? | BusinessWorld



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[shadow]

Marami pa rin factors diba? Yun dating nakita ko na post dito na hinarangang ng bus yun Edsa dahil nakipag unahan pick up passengers nag cost ng traffic. So factor din yun ginagawa ng bus kahit mas konti pero mas malaki sila physically which ganyan naman regularly nangyayari.

For me kahit marami private cars pero kung walang istorbo na public vehicles walanf disiplina kung saan saan hinto mas makakarating sila mabilis sa puntahan then maka park na bawas na sa daan unlike public andyan lang yan buong araw meron passenger or wala.

Ang problem naman sa EDSA yun hinde tuloy tuloy na takbo dahil nababara ng usually buses.

Basta bawasan nila buses sa EDSA para alisin nila yun bottle neck para tuloy tuloy takbo para makarating agad sa puntahan at mabawasan isanf sasakyan sa kalsada.

My point is depende kung saan kalsada parang nga sabi si sweet wala ng trwafgci sa Taft na lugar ng jeeps saka buses.
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[dr. d]

driver discipline does figure significantly in maintaining moving traffic.

btw,
yung mga edsa buses na bumubuntis before the underpass, nagtatambakan at ayaw umalis sa bustop?
that, to means, one thing: there are too many buses. we can do with less.