PUV Modernization is not Anti Poor.

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[GTi]

I saw a Japan surplus truck importer that seems to be quite popular in Facebook. I believe G-Tecnica is the name. Part of their advertising is that their trucks are Euro 4 already. It appears that Euro 4 Japan surplus engines are already available. That should significantly lessen the cost of modernization.

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[victorevolution]

I saw a Japan surplus truck importer that seems to be quite popular in Facebook. I believe G-Tecnica is the name. Part of their advertising is that their trucks are Euro 4 already. It appears that Euro 4 Japan surplus engines are already available. That should significantly lessen the cost of modernization.

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modernization is not only about the engine.

-integrating the beep card;

-better ingress and egress;

-cctv in all public vehicles including dashcams;

-gps;

- better seats etc, the list goes on and on.

point is there are jeepney cooperatives that did succeed like the one in marikina despite the added cost.

problem is the operator wants to milk these old jeepney till 500 years.

[GTi]

modernization is not only about the engine.

-integrating the beep card;

-better ingress and egress;

-cctv in all public vehicles including dashcams;

-gps;

- better seats etc, the list goes on and on.

point is there are jeepney cooperatives that did succeed like the one in marikina despite the added cost.

problem is the operator wants to milk these old jeepney till 500 years.

True, but are those others also requirements?

I had always thought that Clean Air Act compliance was the only non negotiable item.

And then again, those jeepney operators would most definitely already have regained their investment on their rickety 30 year old jeepneys decades ago.

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[victorevolution]

True, but are those others also requirements?

I had always thought that Clean Air Act compliance was the only non negotiable item.

And then again, those jeepney operators would most definitely already have regained their investment on their rickety 30 year old jeepneys decades ago.

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for the severly old jeepney yes- there is a criteria kung pwede engine change pero after a couple of years papalitan na or new built.

they are contesting the newly built.

tama ka, kaya nga nagugulat ako pati yung mga nagmamagaling na educated na tao eh ayaw kasi ganito or bigyan ng funds na haos libre na instead of building a proper mass transit system. point is, kumita na sila, at gusto pang gawin milking cow ang old jeeps na in the first place mga surplus engine na... when is the right time to replace them? hard truth naman kasi, the business of public convenience should never be for them.

[ice15]

It appears that Euro 4 Japan surplus engines are already available. That should significantly lessen the cost of modernization.

As I posted earlier... My family used to own PUVs...

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Here's the thing with Euro-4 engines...

Operators will keep on reducing the "tech" attached to the engine. It will work with almost 60% of the power.
Less "tech" means lesser maintenance.

I remember even removing the engine's turbo and modifying the cooling system.

If an Operator decides to use a proper Euro-4 engine... The Jeep's brakes will not be enough to stop the vehicle.

Then there's the "conversion plate" as most modern engines are automatic
Mis-matched Tranny and Differential.

It is just more economical to just replace the Jeeps with modern mini-buses.

[victorevolution]

As I posted earlier... My family used to own PUVs...

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Here's the thing with Euro-4 engines...

Operators will keep on reducing the "tech" attached to the engine. It will work with almost 60% of the power.
Less "tech" means lesser maintenance.

I remember even removing the engine's turbo and modifying the cooling system.

If an Operator decides to use a proper Euro-4 engine... The Jeep's brakes will not be enough to stop the vehicle.

Then there's the "conversion plate" as most modern engines are automatic
Mis-matched Tranny and Differential.

It is just more economical to just replace the Jeeps with modern mini-buses.

as it should be.

first a modern mini bus cost like 2.7m - hyundai county.

no idea where some get the figures that the modern jeepney cost like 2m- maybe for the up'd spec'd versions. but for the basic it's like 1- 1.2 m depending on the capacity- with that youget the proper ingress and egress

[uls]

no way jeepney operators can afford maintenance on newer diesel engines na may computer box/electronics

pag may sira di kaya ng mga mekaniko marunong lang sa lumang diesel engine like 4BA1/4BC1/4BC2/4D30/31/32

[17Sphynx17]

no way jeepney operators can afford maintenance on newer diesel engines na may computer box/electronics

pag may sira di kaya ng mga mekaniko marunong lang sa lumang diesel engine like 4BA1/4BC1/4BC2/4D30/31/32

If it is not just one or two jeeps under the coop/operator group/company, then it would make sense for them to train in house mechanics in that regard right to check/maintain their vehicles, right?

I'm a bit uncertain if we can expect them to rely with the "casa mechanics"/maintenance, even if they send over their trained mechanics to the yard as they'd most likely cost more, regardless for the type/quality of work expectations.

[17Sphynx17]

as it should be.

first a modern mini bus cost like 2.7m - hyundai county.

no idea where some get the figures that the modern jeepney cost like 2m- maybe for the up'd spec'd versions. but for the basic it's like 1- 1.2 m depending on the capacity- with that youget the proper ingress and egress

Hyundai just released the h100 class for the modern jeepney, no a/c is less than 1.3m, with a/c almost 1.4m php

I wonder how much the options like cctv, payment system etc will add to the vehicle.

But this is brand new, not sure if price listed in carguide is srp or after subsidy?

https://www.carguide. ph/2019/10/hyundais-modern-jeepney-class-1-is-most.html?m=1

Will mitsubishi play an l300 modern jeep model by next year to have a model compete in the market?

[GTi]

As I posted earlier... My family used to own PUVs...

***

Here's the thing with Euro-4 engines...

Operators will keep on reducing the "tech" attached to the engine. It will work with almost 60% of the power.
Less "tech" means lesser maintenance.

I remember even removing the engine's turbo and modifying the cooling system.

If an Operator decides to use a proper Euro-4 engine... The Jeep's brakes will not be enough to stop the vehicle.

Then there's the "conversion plate" as most modern engines are automatic
Mis-matched Tranny and Differential.

It is just more economical to just replace the Jeeps with modern mini-buses.

I remember that we used to have a 10 wheeler 6WA1 Giga flatbed. It wasn't used much and was only driven in and around Metro Manila. One day the turbo failed and replacement would be costly. The driver suggested that the truck could make do without the turbo since our usage doesn't require that much power. Run it did. Smoky and bereft of power, but it did run. [emoji28]

Unfortunately, I don't think there are any old school diesels that would be able to pass Euro 4 standards. It probably won't be as easy to reduce "tech" in modern CRDIs now, since removal of any one item might cause the programming to go berserk and lead to heavy smoke and/or limp mode.

They could import Euro 4 Japan surplus Elfs, convert the rear into minibuses and it'll still be "straight Isuzu". And most likely at a fraction of the asking price of local manufacturers. Then the 4JJ1 would become the new 4BA1. [emoji16]

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[ice15]

It probably won't be as easy to reduce "tech" in modern CRDIs now, since removal of any one item might cause the programming to go berserk and lead to heavy smoke and/or limp mode.

local machine shops should be able to change the cylinder head + injection...

it will work

[GTi]

local machine shops should be able to change the cylinder head + injection...

it will work

I wonder how that will affect the emissions though?

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[playplugg]

I remember that we used to have a 10 wheeler 6WA1 Giga flatbed. It wasn't used much and was only driven in and around Metro Manila. One day the turbo failed and replacement would be costly. The driver suggested that the truck could make do without the turbo since our usage doesn't require that much power. Run it did. Smoky and bereft of power, but it did run. [emoji28]

Unfortunately, I don't think there are any old school diesels that would be able to pass Euro 4 standards. It probably won't be as easy to reduce "tech" in modern CRDIs now, since removal of any one item might cause the programming to go berserk and lead to heavy smoke and/or limp mode.

They could import Euro 4 Japan surplus Elfs, convert the rear into minibuses and it'll still be "straight Isuzu". And most likely at a fraction of the asking price of local manufacturers. Then the 4JJ1 would become the new 4BA1. [emoji16]

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Sir GTi..


Hindi naman talaga anti poor ang labanan.... Yung mga operator na na-uuto na no-read/no-write ang victim(s)..


Kayang kaya naman ng certain(s) operator(s)


Yung mga umaalis na driver(s) for "greener pasture"

[GTi]

Sir GTi..


Hindi naman talaga anti poor ang labanan.... Yung mga operator na na-uuto na no-read/no-write ang victim(s)..


Kayang kaya naman ng certain(s) operator(s)


Yung mga umaalis na driver(s) for "greener pasture"

Honestly though. The taxis, UV Express and buses have been adhering to that age limit for years. Yung sa taxi pa nga 10 years lang ata eh. This is why the only PUVs that still run around with N, P and T plates are the jeepneys.

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[uls]

I saw a Japan surplus truck importer that seems to be quite popular in Facebook. I believe G-Tecnica is the name. Part of their advertising is that their trucks are Euro 4 already. It appears that Euro 4 Japan surplus engines are already available. That should significantly lessen the cost of modernization.

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yes lots of late model japan surplus trucks on the market

reports from the field sakit sa ulo daw mga modelong truck

pag tumirik wala marunong mag ayos

puro electronics kasi

[minicarph]

parang nagkwentuhan na dalawang metro***ual tong dalwa reporter nato

[minicarph]

Ang ganda daw ng kita aabi ng Pasang Mazda

Pero yun iba gusto lahat kakatipiran para malaki take home, di na,an ganun business eh

[17Sphynx17]

Ang ganda daw ng kita aabi ng Pasang Mazda

Pero yun iba gusto lahat kakatipiran para malaki take home, di na,an ganun business eh

Di ko lang naintindihan sa sinabi ng ACTO yung required ng gov't yung 2.5m php?

E diba ang dami na press release nila Hyundai, Isuzu etc na less than 1.5m php yung kanila? Hindi ba pasado yun sa government as the modern PUJ na papasa sa LTFRB? I think price difference between the aircon and non aircon version is about 100-200k ata dun sa kay Hyundai, iba pa add-on yung features though.