NLEX, SCTEX, Over-Speeding, Speed-Radar [MERGED Threads]

[boybi]

although the speed limit is set at 100kph, i've heard that they allow up to 120kph for passenger vehicles.

[mazdamazda]

last Sunday, coming from Mimosa... ang daming nahuli for overspeeding... to note that I was driving at 100kph all the time (even sa open system)... mahal na ang gasolina.

though kung naka EC Tag ka... hindi ka mahuhuli.

[batang_raon14]

SPEEDING is highly equal to reckless driving if you're caught. That ruins your driving records if someone digs it up.

[moipogi]

I would contest the LTO equating speeding with reckless driving. Reckless driving, at least in my view would be those guys using the shoulder for overtaking and those snaking around the highway like it was one giant slalom. Also, add those slowpokes who continue to use the passing lane and refuse to give way to faster vehicles.

[batang_raon14]

*moipogi

chief, think about it. If a man's driving and goes way above the approved speed limit, and in the middle of his travel a vehicle in front of him suddenly hits the brakes, time to react is less.

Think of this situation in that event.If he's a habitual speeder, the tendency is for him to suddenly steer his vehicle to another lane without looking at his side mirrors instead of just braking. Now, WHAT IF there's a car on the other lane and since his movement was so abrupt, the other driver had no time to react. In the end, collision and an accident that could have been prevented.

Speeding is reckless for it affects other drivers on the road. Whether it's you or them. It's a major offense, and that's it.

[moipogi]

No doubt I see where you're coming from, but that is a hypothetical situation and it does not fully justify your point.

If I was driving at 100kph or 136kph, and I was closely following the car ahead of me EDSA-style, if somebody did slam the brakes, then an accident will likely happen since one did not allow for extra space given the speeds you were travelling.

I usually allow for 3 car lengths and only "speed" if there is an open road ahead. NLEX is wide enough to sustain faster speeds, but again, since I did exceed the speed limit, I did not contest the ticket.

How about somebidy who travels at 40kph in the NLEX, which may cause other drivers to get irritated and overtake on the shoulder? Only to find out that there's somebody parked, fixing a flat? In the end, a possible collision and an accident that could have been prevented.

I would think that "speeding" per se cannot be immediately deemed reckless without looking at the situation.

Don't get me wrong, it is an offense, and I will willingly pay the fine, but I would not automatically say its reckless.

Even in the states, speeding is not deemed reckless, and if the ticket is challenged, the burden of proof is on the authorities, since you are innocent unless proven guilty.

Factors to be considered include prior driving record, the speed of the offense, the driving behavior, whether or not an accident ensued, etc.

[smalltimer]

*moipogi

sir magkano binayad mong fine sa speeding? I assume you were caught because of your 136kph speed? Ganun na ba kahigpit ngayon?

[bardigones]

120kph max for overtaking. so medyo allowed up to 120 nga.

imo, around 80kph cruising para makatipid. and yes, i think pag naka ec-tag ka e ok lang ang speeding. :D

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you could contest the "reckless" part ng speeding.

[CTPZ]

Total fines sa LTO is P563.76 and you have to take a seminar because its considered wreckless driving. Wait til friday before you go to LTO because MNTC surrenders confiscated licenses on friday morning.

[batang_raon14]

No doubt I see where you're coming from, but that is a hypothetical situation and it does not fully justify your point.

I am not sure sir of how you could see where I'm coming from or what the line even meant. But, yes, indeed, it is a hypothetical situation and in fact does not fully justify my point. It depends on whether the one comprehending the situation I cited for an example is either an example or a defense.

I usually allow for 3 car lengths and only "speed" if there is an open road ahead.

I also follow the 3 car lengths rule as advised to me by my Driving Teacher before. And should you speed in an open road, then sir there's indeed no problem with that. Exceeding the "speed" recommended as the limit on a certain highway though, is a problem. A result could be similar to yours sir, wherein you have to pay fines, attend a seminar, and wait some time till you could get your license back.

How about somebidy who travels at 40kph in the NLEX, which may cause other drivers to get irritated and overtake on the shoulder? Only to find out that there's somebody parked, fixing a flat? In the end, a possible collision and an accident that could have been prevented.

In my humblest opinion sir, this is also a hypothetical situation. But I believe strongly in mine. The situation you cited as an example is a sample of road rage. And who said you could use the shoulder to overtake on NLEX or any other highways? Could everyone no longer see the sign "STRICTLY NO OVERTAKING ON SHOULDER" especially the word strict on it? Surely, it could've been prevented if the driver slowly changed to a faster lane and not on the shoulder instead. And since you included a shoulder on your situation sir, I assume the road wherein the vehicles are running and others fixing tires are on a road with an ordinary lane and a shoulder lane on the very least.

you could contest the "reckless" part ng speeding.

Surely, you may contest it. Each and everyone of us are given the right to believe in what we believe.

Just my 2 cents. And peace to all! =D

[Automahn]

Saw in the news last week the report about the MNTC's speed cameras.
Are these new equipment or just the old ones and they are simply reminding the public that they are apprehending overspeeding drivers?
What's funny about the news clip was that it showed a traffic enforcer monitoring the speed of vehicles that have just started rolling out of the Balintawak toll plaza. Of course they would all be slow since they were coming from a full stop.

[pup2]

Weird nga eh. Nakakakita ako ng hinuhuli pero kahit ganun, madami pa din lumalagpas. Usually 115-120 takbo ko pero madami pa din lumulusot -- walang kadala dala. Tsk, tsk.

[chuaa]

the reason why there are accidents in nlex is not so much the over speeding...its more the condition of the vehicles running in nlex...if you notice, most of the accidents involve old dilapidated vehicles (trucks/jeeps/old cars...etc)...these cars are no longer fit to run in a highway like nlex...don lang sila sa edsa...na all day all night trapik - KAYA MABAGAL ANG TAKBO!

since they cannot control the quality of the cars running in the nlex...they resort to controlling the max speed...sayang lang ang ginastos nilang million for the nlex if you dont get to enjoy the ride.....

[IMm29]

Before anything else, let me say that this thread is not to condone or justify speeding, nor does it run along those lines of thought. We're not SUPPOSED to go past the posted legal limit and that's that. So if we're caught because we did, then so be it. We have to face up to the consequences and pay the fine.

But here's the question, how are we apprehended along the Skyway and NLEX?

Does the apprehending officer show us any proof of the speed we were doing when his radar caught us? Pardon my ignorance, but is there some sort of print out or picture to prove that we were going past the posted legal limit? Or is this just his word against ours? And if so, can't this be contested?

I'm a regular Skyway user (northbound), and I noticed that PNCC is reviving their radar enforcement for southbound vehicles. I was just wondering how they can prove to the motorist apprehended at the toll plaza by another officer who did not personally see the infraction that he or she was driving above the posted legal limit.

Same question goes out for NLEX, wherein apprehending officers are just at the exit toll plaza.

Thanks.

[nicolodeon]

Sa NLEX, may mga radar stations na strategically posted. Pag pumalo ka above 100KPH, hule ka. While hinde pa ako nahuhuli (at hinde talaga ako mahuhuli ng speeding kase hanggang 85kph lang ang max speed ko lagi sa NLEX), AFAIK eh pag nag-exit ka na, dun ka ia-apprehend.

[artpogi]

^^ that's correct, but the question is, are there any "proof" that you are really breaking the speed limit?

meron ba photos yung speed guns nila that they can print out and with the speed you're doing indicated on the photo? or as IMm29 say, it's just your word against theirs?

[boybi]

as of now, the MNTC/NLEX have only ONE speed gun. before, they are always stationed on top of the overpass before the Petron station (southbound). now, they use a white innova that is parked on the shoulder or sometimes in the center.

when caught speeding, the speed gun have an integrated camera with the speed reading super imposed. they will send the info (type/model of car, plate number and speed) to their apprehending officers stationed at the toll plaza. the proof of your overspeeding will be sent to you via email or maybe snail mail if you don't have email.

[IMm29]

as of now, the MNTC/NLEX have only ONE speed gun. before, they are always stationed on top of the overpass before the Petron station (southbound). now, they use a white innova that is parked on the shoulder or sometimes in the center.

when caught speeding, the speed gun have an integrated camera with the speed reading super imposed. they will send the info (type/model of car, plate number and speed) to their apprehending officers stationed at the toll plaza. the proof of your overspeeding will be sent to you via email or maybe snail mail if you don't have email.

Ah, I see. So mas high tech na sila sa MNTC/NLEX.

To clarify, if that's the case, they'll apprehend you first, get your license, then send the proof much later?

Thanks.

[the_noise]

How about sa SLEX? Once to twice a week. Speed limit kasi dito is 80 kph lang e.

Is it the same as NLEX na radar gun, picture then apprehend sa exit? Ang alam ko dati sa timestamp yata nung toll card pwede din manghuli.

Dati kasi ang alam ko may nanghahabol sa SLEX e.

[boybi]

yup, that's what i heard from friends who got apprehended. but don't know if they got the email.