Manila to be uninhabitable in 4 years if traffic chaos not resolved

[Stigg ma]

May tren na, ayaw mo pa?


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yes ayaw ko, we all know we have a dispute in china, so how can you guarantee its quality and safety? dispute sa china tapos dun ka bibili ng gamit mo, pera ng pinas na punta sa china para palaguin ang economy nila, dont tell me wala iba choice, there are mas mahal nga lang, but kung justifiable yong quality eh why not (like japan)... also, what happened to the mini train UP/DOST was developing???

may pa dispute x2 pa, eh we're funding there economy naman pala

i do not need a term, give me 6 months and i will kill corruption in the govt or else i resign -DU30

[jut703]

yes ayaw ko, we all know we have a dispute in china, so how can you guarantee its quality and safety? dispute sa china tapos dun ka bibili ng gamit mo, pera ng pinas na punta sa china para palaguin ang economy nila, dont tell me wala iba choice, there are mas mahal nga lang, but kung justifiable yong quality eh why not (like japan)... also, what happened to the mini train UP/DOST was developing???

may pa dispute x2 pa, eh we're funding there economy naman pala

So do you think that the train was tampered by the Chinese government out of spite? To kill innocent commuters? And you think that the DOTC never bothered to test the trains? This prototype has been under rigorous testing since Q4 last year.

And if you really wanna push the anti-China sentiment, do you mind throwing away everything you own that was made in China? You might find that your household will be much more minimalist afterwards.

You speak about acquiring trains as if it were as easy as shopping for a car. I don't know your credentials, but all your posts on this forum about political issues are terribly off-tangent. Making things worse is that you have the gall to dismiss all the efforts of the government as pathetic, yet are unable to come up with cohesive, implementable suggestions of your own. You act as if you understand the intricacies of government issues, but as the idiom says, the noisiest cans are the empty ones.

And while we're at it, your beloved Duterte has claimed that he'll make a railway on top of the Pasig River. Now, please tell me how he plans to implement that. Considering the capex required, not to mention the sheer difficulty of the project, coupled with your bet's brazen attitude, how exactly will he get companies to enter into PPPs to built the grandiose river railway? Or are you expecting a government-funded project, in which case, please enlighten me where we'll get the billions to build this project. Lastly, while feasibility studies of the MRT/LRT extensions have taken the most part of Aquino's term, I wonder what sort of research has been put into your bet's plans, or are you just going to assume that whatever he says is always sound and implementable?


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[anonemus]

Even a child can understand that a good public transpo system is the first step to get the middle class out of their cars and alleviate traffic.

But what ticks me off is that people seem to think that fixing our broken transpo system is something that can be done within 1 term of a president. PPPs, anomalous contracts, all of these need time to fix and implement. Even with a completely efficient government, it won't be done as quickly as people expect. With a sub-optimal government like ours, it'll take even longer.

But right now, all there is for us to do is wait, and deal with it. There's also the option to move out if you don't have the patience to see this country move up from its 3rd world status (might not even happen in your lifetime if you're middle-aged already).


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As usual, excellent points.

Just to add one crucial thing we can do: select wisely the next President who will execute this strategy based on JICA master plan incorporating short, medium and long-term projects (Dream)

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?sto...10345575679186

https://youtu.be/SVFP2JCd8Bs

But if the next President couldn't care less but enrich himself, his family and cronies...

Hello Perth, Australia! 😁

[jut703]

As usual, excellent points.

Just to add one crucial thing we can do: select wisely the next President who will execute this strategy based on JICA master plan incorporating short, medium and long-term projects (Dream)

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?sto...10345575679186

https://youtu.be/SVFP2JCd8Bs

But if the next President couldn't care less but enrich himself, his family and cronies...

Hello Perth, Australia! [emoji16]

I definitely agree bro. Each presidentable's action plan on the metro traffic is something I'm closely watching. I want pragmatic, doable solutions and not papogi blanket statements nor excessively idealistic plans.

My girlfriend's brother has been egging us to move to Melbourne with them, but I haven't raised the white flag just yet on this pearl of the orient of ours.


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[anonemus]

I definitely agree bro. Each presidentable's action plan on the metro traffic is something I'm closely watching. I want pragmatic, doable solutions and not papogi blanket statements nor excessively idealistic plans.

My girlfriend's brother has been egging us to move to Melbourne with them, but I haven't raised the white flag just yet on this pearl of the orient of ours.


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I hope the country's mega traffic problems (MManila, Cebu, Davao, etc) will be discussed in the presidential debate and also be in each candidate's platform.

Pwede naman din bro if the Dark Lord wins eh migrate na lang muna temporarily, until EDSA 5 or 6 😁

[EQAddict]

Makati to Qc where I live. 2 hrs everyday via edsa. That's been since before Christmas and after the holidays and including the new bus lane implementation era.

[dishcom]

Sa ikaka unlad ng bayan. Train ang kaylangan.. kung magiging magaan ang pag sakay sa train then mas maraming station e tingin ko mas kukunti anggm gagamit ng auto.

[viper888]

The simple solution would be more trains and the management of metro manila bus lines. I dont see the chinese trains being a problem.

Decentralization could work but there are many areas outside of luzon which already experience grid lock traffic on a daily basis.

[jut703]

The simple solution would be more trains and the management of metro manila bus lines. I dont see the chinese trains being a problem.

Decentralization could work but there are many areas outside of luzon which already experience grid lock traffic on a daily basis.

Yes, I agree that more trains and a better bus system are simple, doable solutions.

The trains are on their way, delayed, but on the way. Hopefully, the extension projects of the MRT and LRT commence construction as well. During construction, traffic will inevitably worsen, but after 5-10 years, it should bring greater convenience to the commuting public.

The DOTC already has plans to phase out old buses and to consolidate bus operations to a single franchisee, ideally government-run. Unfortunately, a major problem is that these franchises do not expire all at the same time, so the plan will really take several years to implement.

I'm hoping that whoever sits on the iron throne come May 2016 will continue these efforts and expedite them.


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[viper888]

Yes, I agree that more trains and a better bus system are simple, doable solutions.

The trains are on their way, delayed, but on the way. Hopefully, the extension projects of the MRT and LRT commence construction as well. During construction, traffic will inevitably worsen, but after 5-10 years, it should bring greater convenience to the commuting public.

The DOTC already has plans to phase out old buses and to consolidate bus operations to a single franchisee, ideally government-run. Unfortunately, a major problem is that these franchises do not expire all at the same time, so the plan will really take several years to implement.

I'm hoping that whoever sits on the iron throne come May 2016 will continue these efforts and expedite them.


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Cities are not built in a day, they also cant be fixed in a day. Metro Manila now is where New York was in the early 1900s. Burgeoning growth has strained the infrastructures whilst skyscrapers are being built left and right with a booming economy. Of course, we know NY decided to drill through their extremely hard soil (adobe?) to build the subway system. An above ground railway system would reduce land values all around. Manila has to something drastic and innovative in order to improve the traffic system.

Innovation is also where the current administration is lacking. Yes, they have good governance and we have experienced stable economic growth up to the middle class. I havent heard of any mega infrastructure projects from this administration. The airport ideas come from private companies. The expressway to Baguio was planned a long time ago. If the government was a company, it would be blackberry.

Honestly, none of the 4 presidential candidates seem to have the eye for innovation. All of them seem to want to be president to be president. I honestly wish Gibo or Villar would run again.

[niky]

Cities are not built in a day, they also cant be fixed in a day. Metro Manila now is where New York was in the early 1900s. Burgeoning growth has strained the infrastructures whilst skyscrapers are being built left and right with a booming economy. Of course, we know NY decided to drill through their extremely hard soil (adobe?) to build the subway system. An above ground railway system would reduce land values all around. Manila has to something drastic and innovative in order to improve the traffic system.

Innovation is also where the current administration is lacking. Yes, they have good governance and we have experienced stable economic growth up to the middle class. I havent heard of any mega infrastructure projects from this administration. The airport ideas come from private companies. The expressway to Baguio was planned a long time ago. If the government was a company, it would be blackberry.

Honestly, none of the 4 presidential candidates seem to have the eye for innovation. All of them seem to want to be president to be president. I honestly wish Gibo or Villar would run again.

The problem is that parts are so overbuilt that any new transportation alternatives will be hard to implement.

Decongestion is the only viable solution. I doubt fuel prices will stay low, but while they are, perhaps there are those businesses that can take advantage of them and set up shop further out from the city.

[99moves]

damn, that duterte supporter guy was completely decimated in this thread.

btt: metrowalk to pasig simbahan took me almost 1 hour. 10 pm na to. ngayon pa lang uninhabitable na hehe.

[b_9904]

The problem is that parts are so overbuilt that any new transportation alternatives will be hard to implement.

Decongestion is the only viable solution. I doubt fuel prices will stay low, but while they are, perhaps there are those businesses that can take advantage of them and set up shop further out from the city.

Not hard really. Remember that the government is powerful.

It will be EXPENSIVE though.

Decongestion, however, is not realistic. No matter how much you decongest NCR, it will all be for nothing.

Why? Cities reflect our mentality to go into cities. First where the tribes, then villages, then castles and Roman cities, then megapolis.

Instead of decongesting, INCREASE a cities capacity to fix congestion.

If you have a hard on for decongestioning the NCR, then I humbly ask that you give a concrete plan on how to do it.

[n_spinner06]

I'm considering moving south...laguna in the next few years God-willing. The time i spend in traffic is too expensive already. Costlier than the toll i'd be spending...

[johnbreeeezy]

Jut for the win [emoji122]🏻[emoji119]🏻[emoji106]🏻

[Vodka]

leave manila! that place is hell

[minicarph]

Ako gusto ko yan chaos in the streets, efficient millenials plus chaos in the streets, sobra dami business ko naiisip hehe

[Newcomer123]

Take away all MALLS built along EDSA. Let EDSA be as mall free as possible. You'll immediately see the difference after you remove these car magnets.

[anonemus]

Abaya logically says Roxas is most qualified.

Santiago believes it's Binay or Duterte

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Roxas least qualified to solve Metro Manila traffic problem — transport expert

By*Mikas Matsuzawa, CNN Philippines

Updated 23:45 PM PHT Sat, January 23, 2016



Problems surrounding Metro Manila's mass transit system was discussed in the second election roundtable of CNN Philippines — an issue that voters might consider in the coming elections.

Metro Manila (CNN Philippines) —*A transportation expert thinks presidential candidate Manuel "Mar" Roxas II is not the best choice when it comes to addressing mass transit problems in Metro Manila.

Roxas had the chance to address the problems in 2011 when he was appointed as secretary of the Department of Transportation and Communications (DOTC), but “he failed,” Rene Santiago said Friday (January 22) during thesecond election roundtable of CNN Philippines.

The roundtable discussed problems surrounding Metro Manila's mass transit system, an issue that voters might consider in the coming elections.

Asked on who among the presidential candidates has concrete answers to address the issue, Transportation secretary Joseph Abaya said his vote is for Roxas, his predecessor.

“I merely continued on his programs and enhanced it… Definitely, we want the 'Daang Matuwid' to continue,” he said.

“Just give us time. He'll be reaping the benefits. He'll be cutting the ribbons of the solutions that we're providing today,” he added.

Roxas least qualified to solve Metro Manila traffic problem — transport expert - CNN Philippines

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Wala ng solution yan. Kasi walang pera ang pilipinas. Puro fighter jet ang inaatupag pangontra daw sa china, eh hindi nga maka afford ng mass transit. hello...