LTO Non Renewal of Subic Vehicles

[jvnj]

Masters,

My brother lives in Iloilo and his Subic bought Pajero FM is due for a registration renewal, but was refused by the local LTO. According to them (LTO), they already received an Executive Order regarding the non renewal of Subic/imported vehicles. My brother even was shown or read this article at the LTO office. Though I haven't got the copy yet, but i'm deeply bothered by this rule. I must admit that i myself have owned several of these imported vehicles, and still hoping to own one again as I've enjoyed using them, especially the SUV types. I heard this rule before but did not took it seriously (knowing the process of implementation here in our country).

Hoping for some who can shed light about this. Thank you for your response / take on this.

[1D4LV]

looks like meron ng batas on this...

LTO stops renewing surplus vehicles

OWNERS of imported sports utility vehicles (SUV) who bought their cars after November 2006 will no longer be allowed to renew their vehicle registration at the Bacolod Land Transportation Office (LTO).

Arroyo Watch: Sun.Star blog on President Arroyo

LTO Negros chief Norman Saril said they were directed by the national office to strictly implement the order and inform SUV owners to process their registration in the place where they originally bought their cars, usually in Cebu and Subic, where imported surplus vehicles have been delivered.

The administrative order stemmed from earlier complaints of local distributors of Toyota, Ford, Mitsubishi and others whose businesses were affected by the numerous surplus vehicles that entered through the ports of Cebu and Subic.

The vehicles are suspected to have been facilitated and released with owners paying lower taxes than they would normally pay for buying imported vehicles.

President Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo earlier issued Executive Order 156 to address the complaints of local distributors.

But local importers questioned the legality of the EO and filed a case before the Supreme Court.

The SC recently decided that Arroyo\'s EO is valid and ruled the registration of vehicles bought after November 15, 2006 as void. (Ma Ester Espina)

[1D4LV]

another related article:

http://www.topgear.com.ph/news/lto-c...n-surplus-cars

[dr. d]

looks like meron ng batas on this...

LTO stops renewing surplus vehicles

OWNERS of imported sports utility vehicles (SUV) who bought their cars after November 2006 will no longer be allowed to renew their vehicle registration at the Bacolod Land Transportation Office (LTO).

Arroyo Watch: Sun.Star blog on President Arroyo

LTO Negros chief Norman Saril said they were directed by the national office to strictly implement the order and inform SUV owners to process their registration in the place where they originally bought their cars, usually in Cebu and Subic, where imported surplus vehicles have been delivered.

The administrative order stemmed from earlier complaints of local distributors of Toyota, Ford, Mitsubishi and others whose businesses were affected by the numerous surplus vehicles that entered through the ports of Cebu and Subic.

The vehicles are suspected to have been facilitated and released with owners paying lower taxes than they would normally pay for buying imported vehicles.

President Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo earlier issued Executive Order 156 to address the complaints of local distributors.

But local importers questioned the legality of the EO and filed a case before the Supreme Court.

The SC recently decided that Arroyo\'s EO is valid and ruled the registration of vehicles bought after November 15, 2006 as void. (Ma Ester Espina)

finally!!!
so what are LTO going to do?
a. refuse registration renewal, then impound it if it is still being used on public road afterward?
b. confiscate outright.
c. make them pay full import duties, and afterward consider them as just another regular car.

[1D4LV]

finally!!!
so what are LTO going to do?
a. refuse registration renewal, then impound it if it is still being used on public road afterward?
b. confiscate outright.
c. make them pay full import duties, and afterward consider them as just another regular car.

item c is the more realistic thing that they can do. in the fairness of owners who have bought one. if the vehicles are correctly taxed, may papers yan so that they can present it to LTO so that it can go into mainstream.

the only hassle there is being flagged by TEs.

[dr. d]

item c is the more realistic thing that they can do. in the fairness of owners who have bought one. if the vehicles are correctly taxed, may papers yan so that they can present it to LTO so that it can go into mainstream.

the only hassle there is being flagged by TEs.

i think the "proper taxes" is one of the problems... i have read before, that the taxes paid by these importers were less than what should have been. how they got away with that, i do not know.

i am not sure as to how the law runs..
is it absolutely no importation of used such vehicles, period? or is importation allowed, provided the proper taxes be paid?
and what about the other grey market imports ?
the topgear article said "...can never be renewed again..". harsh words, indeed.

the law was dated nov 15, 2006. so i suppose no one can claim ignorance of that law when they bought their units after that date.
ang nakikita ko dito, ay biglang dadami ang surplus parts for sale (from vehicles that were dis-assembled because they can never be renewed again).

[dreamur]

Eto ba ung mga plates nag start sa B and R?

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[dr. d]

Eto ba ung mga plates nag start sa B and R?

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hindi naman lahat... yung mga natives sa area ng B and R, "legally purchased" naman sila dahil sa official casa/dealer nila binili yon. and the CR should easily show that. malas lang nila dahil they have to register it in the same LTO offices that those that passed port irene, were also being registered...
and lest we forget, some C's (subic).

[dreamur]

d. Ask for lagay and continue renewing the registration papers and leave to the TE to run aftet them, who in turn will the TEs to let them go. Same vivous cycle, new opportunities for corruption.

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[Wh1stl3r2]

I don't like it. It is right to pay the proper taxes but if the cost at the time of purchase reflected these correct taxes, the people who bought these units probably wouldn't have bought them. Taxing them retroactively seems like a trap of sorts, to me at least.

[dr. d]

I don't like it. It is right to pay the proper taxes but if the cost at the time of purchase reflected these correct taxes, the people who bought these units probably wouldn't have bought them. Taxing them retroactively seems like a trap of sorts, to me at least.

the way i see it, there will be no grace period nor retroactive taxation.
these vehicles will never see public asphalt again.

[Wh1stl3r2]

Still seems unfair to register them in the past and then refuse to do so now. They could just as easily wait for the old released units to die a natural death and refuse to register newly brought in surplus units. Most of them are really old anyway.

If they were to follow this to the letter, there would be a huge spike in truck sales. Surplus units account for the majority of all heavy duty and light duty trucks in service.

[dr. d]

Still seems unfair to register them in the past and then refuse to do so now. They could just as easily wait for the old released units to die a natural death and refuse to register newly brought in surplus units. Most of them are really old anyway.

If they were to follow this to the letter, there would be a huge spike in truck sales. Surplus units account for the majority of all heavy duty and light duty trucks in service.

i remember when... someone challenged the EO in the supreme court. the buyers that were then emboldened and went on to buy the questioned vehicles, were warned beforehand, that should the court rule in favor of the EO, it would be a retroactive ban going all the way back to 2006. caveat emptor, so to speak. but they continued to buy...
so now, they can't really complain.

diplomatic corps, trucks and buses of defined GVW, and specialty vehicles are not included in the ban. so no... i do not see a spike in locally manufactured truck sales. errr... do we have a real local heavy truck manufacturing factory or assembly plant?
pick ups are included in the ban.

what i see, is a huge spike in the sale of small, fuel-efficient cars.

car aficionado-wise... i do see a number of "B"-plated porsches... sayang...

[Wh1stl3r2]

That's good to know. Haven't read the EO so I assumed all surplus units. I think most of the truck cab-chassis are imported from Thailand, its just the FB and some aluminum bodies made here.

I still feel sorry for people who'll be affected by this. A big question would be what to do with these units. Use them as freeport taxis? Farm use?

The more expensive ones like Porsches I guess they could ship to somewhere to recover some of the cost.

[jvnj]

Masters,

It is indeed a burden to the owners who purchased such vehicles. Though it has been 6 years already from the time I let go of my Subic SUV, which by the way I still miss 'em, I am glad and very happy that I was spared from the difficulties of those owners who have been affected. Honestly, I pity them. I hope the government considers extending assistance to those Subic car owners who legally purchased them.

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[dr. d]

Masters,

It is indeed a burden to the owners who purchased such vehicles. Though it has been 6 years already from the time I let go of my Subic SUV, which by the way I still miss 'em, I am glad and very happy that I was spared from the difficulties of those owners who have been affected. Honestly, I pity them. I hope the government considers extending assistance to those Subic car owners who legally purchased them.

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i hope not.
the government has been bending backward so much for so long, many people already feel it has no backbone.
the supreme court already said it's a valid law. so let's implement it.
i hope this is the start of a real, honest-to-goodness implementation of other current laws.

perhaps these owners can claim they were hoodwinked by the importers who sold them the vehicles... "for selling them goods that were illegally imported and for not fully informing them of such and such possibilities". then let's see what happens.

[vinj]

I have a friend with a EK hatch and he had to fix the LTO papers at the originating branch of registration in Mindanao around two years ago. Took him several months.

Good point dr.d. I hope their next and immediate move would be those deteriorating jeepneys and buses.

This is what i hope they really do.

[jvnj]

This is what i hope they really do.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, I forgot (sorry OT), add to the list the tricycles flying along EDSA and National Highways.

Since this Subic Vehicle case has been backed-up by car companies, I hope they do the same to the Jeepney, Bus and Tricycles. Quite impossible? I guess yes as it doesn't affect them directly. It just came to my thought that sometimes the government needs a red tape, este push from private companies in order for them to move or do their job.

[dr. d]

This is what i hope they really do.

Yeah, I forgot (sorry OT), add to the list the tricycles flying along EDSA and National Highways.

Since this Subic Vehicle case has been backed-up by car companies, I hope they do the same to the Jeepney, Bus and Tricycles. Quite impossible? I guess yes as it doesn't affect them directly. It just came to my thought that sometimes the government needs a red tape, este push from private companies in order for them to move or do their job.[/QUOTE]



"alas! tricycle franchising falls under local government. the financial benefits are city hall's. and just like squatters euphemistically called informal settlers, they are a real 'asset' in local elections."

[romeocharlie]

Di ba pwede naman iregister? Dun nga lang sa area to where its bought. Hassle lang, but pwede naman..

Why do it seem hopeless para sa ilan?

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