HPG starts managing traffic in EDSA effective September 7 2015

[jut703]

Was surprised with how light EDSA Northbound was tonight. Bit of a slowdown from Shaw to Ortigas but only because there was a stalled A31 on the flyover. But afterwards, pretty smooth. My usual 50 minute trip took just 35 minutes.

Grabe pa rin ang private motorists on the yellow lane though.

[jut703]

I was thinking about it while driving home, and technically, it's less of a sin for a private car to occupy the yellow lane than it is for a bus to occupy the private cars' lanes.

This is because buses are in no hurry to get to their destination, since their point is to stay on the road as long as possible, to pick up as many passengers as possible. Which is why there are huge stretches of yellow lane that are empty.

For example, after loading at Ortigas Ilalim, buses will stop at Corinthians to pick up the unending supply of construction workers at its front gate. But from Corinthians to Santolan (the next proper bus stop), they would erratically stop at the White Plains intersection, at the AFP gate, and finally at the Santolan bus stop.

During the time that they're dilly-dallying on these pseudo-stops, private cars could use the yellow lane without impeding the pace of the buses.

However, there's the question of when should the private motorist's use of the yellow lane stop? I personally think you should stay out of the yellow lane when approaching a proper bus stop (Megamall, Guadalupe, Santolan, etc).

Basically the logic is that if you won't be impeding any buses, then it should be okay to use the yellow lane to declog the inner 3 lanes.

Unfortunately, not everyone will know when they're already a nuisance to the buses, while there will be others who don't care if the buses are blocked.

"Eh ginagawa din nila sa private yang panghaharang eh" (as if 2 wrongs make a right)

"Eh nagmamadali ako eh" (as if their time is more important than everyone else's),

"Eh ang haba ng pila sa private eh" (as if they're so special they don't need to line up)

I've been avoiding the yellow lane to abide by the rules as much as possible, but I can't help but notice how underutilized it is (except for bus stops).

[dr. d]

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you create exceptions to the rule, and pretty soon, everyone thinks he is an exception.
no... in my opinion, we should keep the yellow land exclusive.
(typo intentional)

but i do have one question...
where does the private vehicle stop so that passengers can get in or get out..?
i asked several mmdas, and i was not able to elicit a consistent answer..
they were so hooked on the bus.. they forgot the citizen..

[StockEngine]

I use PL(private lane) and YL SB before the flyover(Ortigas?) near Autocentrum/white plains area. Hatid-duty in the morning requires you to avoid the people on the 4 outer lanes. Hows the HPG in this area?

I also use PL and YL SB after the Guadalupe mrt stop. going up the bridge requires maximum acceleration. if the flow is right buses won't hit you. Marami naka post dito na HPG?

also PL and YL SB before crossing i think this is allowed. not sure if they're apprehending here na.



I think these areas pwede naman. Im always mindful of every vehicle around me.

normally i drive non-rush hour times. and its quite convenient and no harm done to other motorists.

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I use PL(private lane) and YL SB before the flyover(Ortigas?) near Autocentrum/white plains area. Hatid-duty in the morning requires you to avoid the people on the 4 outer lanes. Hows the HPG in this area?

I also use PL and YL SB after the Guadalupe mrt stop. going up the bridge requires maximum acceleration. if the flow is right buses won't hit you. Marami naka post dito na HPG?

also PL and YL and SB before crossing i think this is allowed. not sure if they're apprehending here na.



I think these areas pwede naman. Im always mindful of every vehicle around me.

normally i drive non-rush hour times. and its quite convenient and no harm done to other motorists.

[jut703]

I've dropped many people off on different bus stops in EDSA, never got flagged down. I think even enforcers know that you've got to allow car passengers to be dropped off somewhere.

[sientobente]

I traverse EDSA from Southbound to Northbound during mornings on a daily basis. Di hamak na maluwag ang kalye. Even if I will be coming from MOA pa. Malaking kabawasan nung mawala ang mga nagsweswerve na bus ng 3 lanes sa Edsa. Di ko na rin nakikita masyado ang mga Jeep na nakatambay sa harapan ng guadalupe. Good improvement for me so far by the HPG. So for Tolentino - you suck!

[dr. d]

I've dropped many people off on different bus stops in EDSA, never got flagged down. I think even enforcers know that you've got to allow car passengers to be dropped off somewhere.

..problem is, once you drive into these bus stops, you're caught in their queue..

[jut703]

I use PL(private lane) and YL SB before the flyover(Ortigas?) near Autocentrum/white plains area. Hatid-duty in the morning requires you to avoid the people on the 4 outer lanes. Hows the HPG in this area?

I also use PL and YL SB after the Guadalupe mrt stop. going up the bridge requires maximum acceleration. if the flow is right buses won't hit you. Marami naka post dito na HPG?

also PL and YL SB before crossing i think this is allowed. not sure if they're apprehending here na.

I think these areas pwede naman. Im always mindful of every vehicle around me.

normally i drive non-rush hour times. and its quite convenient and no harm done to other motorists.

Agree with your observations on those areas. I think the easiest way to maximize the YL is to have some parts strictly for buses only, and some parts available for mixed use. Buses will have to stay exclusively on the yellow lane, but private cars can also use it on its open stretches. This can be indicated by using yellow and white paint for the areas where they can pass, plus a diagonal line showing where they should merge back into the inner lanes as a bus stop is approaching.

To us it may be common sense, but others will need to have it in black and white to avoid abuse, both by undisciplined drivers and corrupt enforcers.

bro jut partly agree here except the above-mentioned in bold fonts usually sa pangkaraniwang na pamilyadong employee, di na sila risk taker sa career to move out of MM lalo na kung may mga anak pang nag-aaral at isa lang sa kanila ang kumikita. sa bawat decision, una palagi ang kapakanan ng family bago ang pansarili. hanggang kaya pang tiisin, di makikipagsapalaran sa ibang lugar maliban kung talagang no choice. Hindi gaya nating mga binata pa, di gaano malaking ang responsibility sa buhay, kung minsan nga sarili lang natin ang ini-intindi, mas bata at idealistic pa, mas madaling makahanap ng trabaho sa ibang lugar etc.....

True bro, kaya nga for those people with no option to move out, eh kailangan matuto magadjust. I have no plans of leaving Manila so I've just adjusted my expectations about traffic and I try my best to be as disciplined on the road to avoid causing more traffic.

..problem is, once you drive into these bus stops, you're caught in their queue..

I'd rather queue up with the buses than cause inconvenience to other motorists by creating a stop where there isn't one.

Usually though, what I do is to find the nearest gasoline station or other establishment with proper ingress/egress and drop off my hitchhiker there.

[dr. d]

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I'd rather queue up with the buses than cause inconvenience to other motorists by creating a stop where there isn't one.

Usually though, what I do is to find the nearest gasoline station or other establishment with proper ingress/egress and drop off my hitchhiker there. [/QUOTE]



many years ago, private vehicles can pull over anywhere, to load and unload passengers.
it was only the buses and jeepneys, who were required to load and unload only in designated areas.
to my knowlege, there has not been any formal directive changing this..
a gloop from our administrators, perhaps?

[macsd]

MMDA chief Tolentino gets stuck in traffic, misses TV appearance | Inquirer News

At 8:55 a.m., Tolentino informed the host that he would be in the studio “in five minutes” or at 9 a.m., when Headstart was scheduled to end.

The good for nothing got to taste his own ineptness. :rofl:

[chronicle]

Or, baka sinadya ni mr mmda na ma late para masabi nya na walang nagagawa talaga ang HPG.

[jut703]

Mas pasaway daw ang private cars kaysa PUVs, according to HPG chief. Anong masasabi niyo dito?

PNP-HPG buckles down to work vs. stubborn motorists - DZRH News

Lots of people use those pictures of buses eating into private lanes on EDSA. Eh ngayon wala nang ganun, pero traffic pa rin. Ano na? Ang dali kasi sisihin bus drivers - ganun naman diba, lahat sinisisi bago sarili. Eh etong picture na 'to, nasaan yung bus diyan?



We're all part of the problem. The most common violation I see is the utter disregard of the intersection. I try my best to not block the intersection, but I often find myself not being able to move for several minutes as literally noone will give way to you even if you arrived at the intersection prior to them. I end up getting pissed and have to force myself through the intersection (hence being part of the problem as well).

I'm working on keeping my cool no matter how many dozens of cars refuse to give way, but honestly it's so hopeless. Madalas kong naiisip, "what's the point in doing right when all other motorists are so selfish?". I just try to leave earlier and take into consideration the extra time that it'll cost me to follow road rules.

Traffic will flow much smoother when everyone follows the rules, but when only a minority do so, those few people will end up worse off than everyone else.

[zoomzoom]

Yung mga bus wala sa picture. Sila ang dahilan kaya hindi umaandar yung mga sasakyan sa lower right part ng picture. ;)

[jut703]

Yung mga bus wala sa picture. Sila ang dahilan kaya hindi umaandar yung mga sasakyan sa lower right part ng picture. ;)

Seryoso ba yang comment na yan?

Kasi San Miguel Ave. yang picture na yan, at walang kahit isang bus sa daan na yan.

[Altis6453]

Already I'm not liking what the HPG's take on traffic is:

From abs-cbnnews.com (quoting ANC) Sept. 11, 2015

MANILA - Unruly bus drivers may seem to be the common cause of traffic jams along EDSA but the Philippine National Police Highway Patrol Group (HPG) sees things differently.

Speaking to ANC's Headstart, HPG director Chief Superintendent Arnold Gunnacao said that motorists, particularly private car owners, are harder to discipline than bus drivers on EDSA.

"They want to be ahead of others. That is one of the reasons why traffic congestion occurs because they really want to be ahead of others, and there will come a time that there will be a bottleneck because of their habit of doing that," he said.

The HPG chief said 271 traffic violators were apprehended in the past four days, most of which are private vehicles. He added that cars often swerve and change lanes which contribute to road congestion.

The HPG has already taken over the management of traffic along EDSA instead of the Metro Manila Development Authority (MMDA).

Gunnacao, meanwhile, defended the MMDA from criticisms that the agency failed in its duty to manage traffic on EDSA. He pointed out there is a difference between cops and constables.

"If you do not have that semblance of authority, the ordinary citizens will not respect you. And, of course, they (MMDA constables) cannot just arrest people. Unlike we, as policemen, we have the police power, we have the semblance of authority...and the right to arrest," Gunnacao said.

Gunnacao said the traffic situation along EDSA has improved since the deployment and implementation of the new traffic measures, adding that "fear and determination" made the road management more efficient.

My take, the number of apprehensions in 4 days is a pretty small sample size. This is without context regarding when and what time the driver apprehensions took place and for what violations?

[CVT]

Mas pasaway daw ang private cars kaysa PUVs, according to HPG chief. Anong masasabi niyo dito?

PNP-HPG buckles down to work vs. stubborn motorists - DZRH News

Lots of people use those pictures of buses eating into private lanes on EDSA. Eh ngayon wala nang ganun, pero traffic pa rin. Ano na? Ang dali kasi sisihin bus drivers - ganun naman diba, lahat sinisisi bago sarili. Eh etong picture na 'to, nasaan yung bus diyan?



We're all part of the problem. The most common violation I see is the utter disregard of the intersection. I try my best to not block the intersection, but I often find myself not being able to move for several minutes as literally noone will give way to you even if you arrived at the intersection prior to them. I end up getting pissed and have to force myself through the intersection (hence being part of the problem as well).

I'm working on keeping my cool no matter how many dozens of cars refuse to give way, but honestly it's so hopeless. Madalas kong naiisip, "what's the point in doing right when all other motorists are so selfish?". I just try to leave earlier and take into consideration the extra time that it'll cost me to follow road rules.

Traffic will flow much smoother when everyone follows the rules, but when only a minority do so, those few people will end up worse off than everyone else.

Hopeless na bro ang mga Filipino drivers sa rule na Keep the Intersection Open dito sa atin..... Hindi puwede silang (tayong) iwanang nag-iisa sa kalye na tayo-tayo lang....

Kung ikaw ang magsisimula,- walang susunod, and eventually, you drown in the system.... You will never reach your destination and fellow drivers would take advantage of you while cursing you...

Pero,- pag-drive-in mo ang mga Pinoy sa ibang bansa kung saan ang mali ay mali...

Aba e,- parang tupang sumusunod sa batas... Takot kasing mahuli,- at may pera pang penalty.....

Kaya initially,- as part of the on-the-job training and education ng mga drivers,- kailangang nandiyan ang mga nagpapatupad ng batas na walang tinititigan habang hawak ang hagupit!


"The measure of a man is what he does with power" LJIOHF!

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[makyong]

Hopeless na bro ang mga Filipino drivers sa rule na Keep the Intersection Open dito sa atin.....

Kung ikaw ang magsisimula,- walang susunod, and eventually, you drown in the system.... You will never reach your destination and fellow drivers would take advantage of you while cursing you...




"The measure of a man is what he does with power" LJIOHF!

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I always follow this rule.
Mapag bigay ako sa kalsada. Kaso aabusuhin ka ng mga pinag bibigyan mo. Likewise mumurahin ka ng mga nasa likod mo. Like, bababaan ka ng window at sisigawan ka ng- NERBYOSO!, wala ka sa probinsya G*go! At puro busina abot mo.

[KenGarcia]

I always follow this rule.
Mapag bigay ako sa kalsada. Kaso aabusuhin ka ng mga pinag bibigyan mo. Likewise mumurahin ka ng mga nasa likod mo. Like, bababaan ka ng window at sisigawan ka ng- NERBYOSO!, wala ka sa probinsya G*go! At puro busina abot mo.

Sa sobrang dali kumuha at mag renew ng license. Pag napapadaan ako sa LTO office dito samin na puro fixer ang nakabaang sa mismong gate mapapailing ka nalang.

[99moves]

Mas pasaway daw ang private cars kaysa PUVs, according to HPG chief. Anong masasabi niyo dito?

PNP-HPG buckles down to work vs. stubborn motorists - DZRH News

Lots of people use those pictures of buses eating into private lanes on EDSA. Eh ngayon wala nang ganun, pero traffic pa rin. Ano na? Ang dali kasi sisihin bus drivers - ganun naman diba, lahat sinisisi bago sarili. Eh etong picture na 'to, nasaan yung bus diyan?



We're all part of the problem. The most common violation I see is the utter disregard of the intersection. I try my best to not block the intersection, but I often find myself not being able to move for several minutes as literally noone will give way to you even if you arrived at the intersection prior to them. I end up getting pissed and have to force myself through the intersection (hence being part of the problem as well).

I'm working on keeping my cool no matter how many dozens of cars refuse to give way, but honestly it's so hopeless. Madalas kong naiisip, "what's the point in doing right when all other motorists are so selfish?". I just try to leave earlier and take into consideration the extra time that it'll cost me to follow road rules.

Traffic will flow much smoother when everyone follows the rules, but when only a minority do so, those few people will end up worse off than everyone else.

agree 100%. as much as possible i follow the rules. when you are doing the right thing you are supposed to feel good. pero sa kalsada pag ginagawa mo ang tama iinit lang ulo mo dahil sasamantalahin ka ng mga demonyo at mumurahin ka pa. tapos madedelay ka pa sa pupuntahan mo dahil sa mga hinayupak

OT: sir yung sa top-left lanuza ba yun? ginawang one-way?

[jut703]

OT: sir yung sa top-left lanuza ba yun? ginawang one-way?

Sorry not Lanuza. That is San Miguel Ave cor the road behind LSM (forgot the name). Either way, still no buses.