expired driver's license during accident

[sean-archer]

Need advice mga Sir, we had this accident just recently, nabunggo (rear-end) kami ng kotse sa likod namin, both of our cars suffered damage, though no physical injuries. I think medyo nakainum yung guy kaya medyo hesitant pa sya makipagusap, ayaw rin nya pumunta sa police station, it was raining and gabi na rin. We took pictures. No police report was made that night, hinde kami tumawag ng pulis. We scheduled na paguusapan namin sa police station pag available na kami dalawa. Ang problema, yung kasama namin (the one driving the car) has an expired license (one month ago lang expiration).

The question is, totally separate na kaso ba yun ?, we'll just pay the penalties of driving with expired license, while yung nakabunggo should pay the damages kase sya ang nakabunggo? We're worried na baka bandang huli kami pa magpaayos ng lahat ng damages kase in the first place dapat hinde nagdridrive ang kasama ko with expired license? What do you think?

[cast_no_shadow]

Need advice mga Sir, we had this accident just recently, nabunggo (rear-end) kami ng kotse sa likod namin, both of our cars suffered damage, though no physical injuries. I think medyo nakainum yung guy kaya medyo hesitant pa sya makipagusap, ayaw rin nya pumunta sa police station, it was raining and gabi na rin. We took pictures. No police report was made that night, hinde kami tumawag ng pulis. We scheduled na paguusapan namin sa police station pag available na kami dalawa. Ang problema, yung kasama namin (the one driving the car) has an expired license (one month ago lang expiration).

The question is, totally separate na kaso ba yun ?, we'll just pay the penalties of driving with expired license, while yung nakabunggo should pay the damages kase sya ang nakabunggo? We're worried na baka bandang huli kami pa magpaayos ng lahat ng damages kase in the first place dapat hinde nagdridrive ang kasama ko with expired license? What do you think?

My thoughts:

Dapat pumunta kayo sa police station right away after the accident, or nagpapunta ng traffic police or traffic enforcer.

Sabe mo pa nakainom yung bumangga sayo, much better na may police involved.

Driver mo walang license ( hindi ba ikaw yung driver? )

Hindi yan sasagutin ng insurance if ever na mag claim ka, police report will show na the one driving has an expired license eh.

[Stigg ma]

Need advice mga Sir, we had this accident just recently, nabunggo (rear-end) kami ng kotse sa likod namin, both of our cars suffered damage, though no physical injuries. I think medyo nakainum yung guy kaya medyo hesitant pa sya makipagusap, ayaw rin nya pumunta sa police station, it was raining and gabi na rin. We took pictures. No police report was made that night, hinde kami tumawag ng pulis. We scheduled na paguusapan namin sa police station pag available na kami dalawa. Ang problema, yung kasama namin (the one driving the car) has an expired license (one month ago lang expiration).

The question is, totally separate na kaso ba yun ?, we'll just pay the penalties of driving with expired license, while yung nakabunggo should pay the damages kase sya ang nakabunggo? We're worried na baka bandang huli kami pa magpaayos ng lahat ng damages kase in the first place dapat hinde nagdridrive ang kasama ko with expired license? What do you think?

yikes, what a very irresponsible thing to do!!! may probe na naka inom yet hinayaan maka takas at mag maneho ulet... pano pag may iba natamaan ulet yan! at ikaw expired na lesensya, talo ka kase ibig sabihin nyan wala ka na karapatan mag maneho kase nga expired ka na, napaka unfair mo sa mga responsable tao na pumila sa LTO para mag pa renew...

[dr. d]

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Need advice mga Sir, we had this accident just recently, nabunggo (rear-end) kami ng kotse sa likod namin, both of our cars suffered damage, though no physical injuries. I think medyo nakainum yung guy kaya medyo hesitant pa sya makipagusap, ayaw rin nya pumunta sa police station, it was raining and gabi na rin. We took pictures. No police report was made that night, hinde kami tumawag ng pulis. We scheduled na paguusapan namin sa police station pag available na kami dalawa. Ang problema, yung kasama namin (the one driving the car) has an expired license (one month ago lang expiration).

The question is, totally separate na kaso ba yun ?, we'll just pay the penalties of driving with expired license, while yung nakabunggo should pay the damages kase sya ang nakabunggo? We're worried na baka bandang huli kami pa magpaayos ng lahat ng damages kase in the first place dapat hinde nagdridrive ang kasama ko with expired license? What do you think?

the golden period is over.
by now, it's a question of "he said, you said..".
but that expired license stands out as un-contestable fact.
settle out of court. but tell the drunk guy that you're not paying him a cent because he was drunk. besides, in a rear-end collision, it is always presumed that the rear-ender is at fault, driving too close to your rear.
what will insurance man say? it all depends on how friendly you both are to each other. you are at their mercy.

[cast_no_shadow]

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the golden period is over.
by now, it's a question of "he said, you said..".
but that expired license stands out as un-contestable fact.
settle out of court.
what will insurance man say? it all depends on how friendly you both are to each other. you are at their mercy.

Ditto!

Ikaw losing end, in the first place hindi naman talaga dapat magmaneho pag wala/expired ang license.

Nakainom man o hindi yung bumangga sayo, undeniably yung driver na walang lisensiya is talo.

Meron tayo Atty dito sa board, sana sumagot siya dito sa thread.

Hingan mo na lang pang participation, or thank you na lang since kung ako nakabangga sayo at medyo kumag din ugali ko then malaman ko na wala lisensiya driver mo aba eh quits na tayo.

[coiter]

di naman dapat automatic na kung expired license mo is ikaw na lagi may kasalanan sa lahat ng aksidente. di naman yun directly related to or cause of the accident. there should still be an investigation on who was more reckless or negligent. pero malamang sa alam ng mga pulis natin at proseso nila, tatanchahin nila kung kanino sila mas madaling makakuha ng lagay at mas madali ngang sabihin na 'kasi expired na lisensya mo' kesa mag investigate pa sila

[kimot]

di naman dapat automatic na kung expired license mo is ikaw na lagi may kasalanan sa lahat ng aksidente. di naman yun directly related to or cause of the accident. there should still be an investigation on who was more reckless or negligent. pero malamang sa alam ng mga pulis natin at proseso nila, tatanchahin nila kung kanino sila mas madaling makakuha ng lagay at mas madali ngang sabihin na 'kasi expired na lisensya mo' kesa mag investigate pa sila

eto opinion ko ah, kung expired ang license mo at di ka nagdrive, di mangyayari yang aksidente sayo. negligent and reckless ka pa rin kasi di na valid yang license mo pero nagdrive ka pa rin.

sa situation nya, anong katibayan nya na nakainom yung tao? eh wala ngang kasulatan kung ano ba talaga ang nangyari.

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di naman dapat automatic na kung expired license mo is ikaw na lagi may kasalanan sa lahat ng aksidente. di naman yun directly related to or cause of the accident. there should still be an investigation on who was more reckless or negligent. pero malamang sa alam ng mga pulis natin at proseso nila, tatanchahin nila kung kanino sila mas madaling makakuha ng lagay at mas madali ngang sabihin na 'kasi expired na lisensya mo' kesa mag investigate pa sila

eto opinion ko ah, kung expired ang license mo at di ka nagdrive, di mangyayari yang aksidente sayo. negligent and reckless ka pa rin kasi di na valid yang license mo pero nagdrive ka pa rin.

sa situation nya, anong katibayan nya na nakainom yung tao? eh wala ngang kasulatan kung ano ba talaga ang nangyari.

[Syuryuken]

2 idiots yan napapala nyo pag expired wag ng magmaneho same sa nakainom.

[pdspd]

di naman dapat automatic na kung expired license mo is ikaw na lagi may kasalanan sa lahat ng aksidente. di naman yun directly related to or cause of the accident. there should still be an investigation on who was more reckless or negligent. pero malamang sa alam ng mga pulis natin at proseso nila, tatanchahin nila kung kanino sila mas madaling makakuha ng lagay at mas madali ngang sabihin na 'kasi expired na lisensya mo' kesa mag investigate pa sila

Sir,nagmamaneho or may drivers license ka ba?Hindi mo yata alam ang cnasabi mo eh.Expired pala license eh,bakit nagmamaneho?chka lakas ng loob nyo na i contest pa yan.D na kailangan mag imbestiga.

[coiter]

Sir,nagmamaneho or may drivers license ka ba?Hindi mo yata alam ang cnasabi mo eh.Expired pala license eh,bakit nagmamaneho?chka lakas ng loob nyo na i contest pa yan.D na kailangan mag imbestiga.

yes po. more than 20 years na. alam ko po ang sinasabi ko dahil sa pagkonsulta sa isang prosecutor.


to TS, ito, baka makatulong though ang sinample na case dito ay driving without license, which is actually worse:

https://www.facebook.com/pnpregional...37577019598201

LEGAL ADVISORY May 22, 2014
SUBJECT: Driver who drives without license and meets an accident IS NOT AUTOMATICALLY at fault.

Believe it or not, there is a predominant belief among our traffic investigators, that a driver who drives without license and encounters an accident is automatically at fault, hence, to be charged for reckless imprudence, despite of the result of the investigation that the proximate cause of the accident is the other driver, though licensed one, or a pedestrian, in case the unlicensed driver, hits one.

Is it possible that an unlicensed driver who encounters an accident not liable for reckless imprudence?

Yes. It is very possible, and in fact, there is a jurisprudence supporting this proposition. We have discussed in our previous advisory that the basis of reckless imprudence resulting in deaths or physical injuries is negligence. As traffic investigators, we cannot “automatically equate” lack of license to that of negligence absence of others facts showing negligence. In other words, lack of license alone should not be made the sole basis for a conclusion of negligence. Rather, it must be coupled with other showings of negligence like over-speeding, drunk or drugged driving. In a case, the SC said:
“We do not see how lack of license could be the proximate cause of an injury. If a person, adult or minor, unlicensed to operate an automobile, is entrusted with one and operates it with that degree of care and skill that is required of a licensed operator, negligence cannot be predicated on the mere lack of license.” Opple vs. Ray, 195 N.E. pp. 81

To give an example: Santos, without or with expired license, drives a vehicle. He has been a driver for many years, or at least, evidence shows that he is a proficient driver. He drives his vehicle cautiously in the right lane within the speed limits. Then, Alex, on the opposite lane, with full speed, recklessly overtakes another vehicle, thereby colliding with the vehicle on the opposite direction being driven by Santos . SPO1 Ronald, the traffic investigator of your station, charges Santos for reckless imprudence, allegedly because according to him, a driver, who drives without license or expired license is presumed negligent under the law.

Is SPO1 Ronald correct?

SPO1 Ronald is not correct. It is very clear that the proximate cause of the accident is the negligence of Alex. The being unlicensed status of Santos does not have any connection with the occurrence of the accident. While it is correct that under the law, a driver who commits traffic violations is presumed negligent, this is only a presumption, that maybe overcome by overwhelming contrary evidence, in the case at hand, the clear negligence of Alex. The liability of Santos is maybe for violation of Traffic Code of the Philippines - driving without license and not for reckless imprudence.
Please share to all our traffic investigators for a good administration of justice...

[12vdc]

Call it quits. Both of you drivers aren't supposed to be on public roads, you are both road hazards. Either you charge it to experience or declare another authorized driver with valid DL for you to claim the insurance.

[CVT]

Settle out of court and hope that he is kind to you.

DUI should never be tolerated and so, you should have gone to the police station... But you have your own story to tell... Oh well....

(You should have just switched drivers and went to the police station.... Lasing iyan e,- hindi niya alam ang nangyayari.... ).. Mandadamay pa iyan ng iba....


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[ClaNker]

Need advice mga Sir, we had this accident just recently, nabunggo (rear-end) kami ng kotse sa likod namin, both of our cars suffered damage, though no physical injuries. I think medyo nakainum yung guy kaya medyo hesitant pa sya makipagusap, ayaw rin nya pumunta sa police station, it was raining and gabi na rin. We took pictures. No police report was made that night, hinde kami tumawag ng pulis. We scheduled na paguusapan namin sa police station pag available na kami dalawa. Ang problema, yung kasama namin (the one driving the car) has an expired license (one month ago lang expiration).

The question is, totally separate na kaso ba yun ?, we'll just pay the penalties of driving with expired license, while yung nakabunggo should pay the damages kase sya ang nakabunggo? We're worried na baka bandang huli kami pa magpaayos ng lahat ng damages kase in the first place dapat hinde nagdridrive ang kasama ko with expired license? What do you think?

Mukhang naka inom yung bumanga sayo is now a case of your word against his. However, yang kasama mong driving with expired license is clear as night and day.

Talo ka. Never ever drive with an expired license.

[makyong]

Good thing walang physical injury on both parties. Kung nag kataon, both of their cars ay ma impound. And if ever yung driver na expired or walang lisensya ang nasaktan, he may sue yung nabangga nya or naka bangga sa kanya. Physical injury will be prioritize over damage to property.

Kaya ingat po lalo na sa mga daan na maraming motorcycle na dumadaan. Pag nabangga nyo ang mga yan or kayo ang binangga kahit na kasalanan pa nila,at may injury-may license or wala, pwede sila mag demand.

[luis_]

Napakadali irenew ng lto license. Walang seminar, walang continuing professional education requirement, walang certificate of good standing. Nasa 30 mins lang may OR ka na at balikan mo na lang daw yung card. Haha. Wala sana kayong pag aalala nung nangyari yung accident.

[Syuryuken]

bahala na attitude pero nung naaksidente siguradong pinagpawisan ng malapot yan

[dct]

2010 lang sasakyan mo? Para sakin maitatawag pang bago bago yan. Bakit di ka maginsurance? Tapos expired license pa