BF Homes P'que Gates open to public.

[RedHotBlood]

last night my friend txt me to inform that the Mayor ordered that ubfhai open the Aguirre and Lopez gates respectively. wala na ngang privacy dahil sa mga nagsulputang korean barbecue restaurants at iba pa tapos open pa sa public? What could be the reason behind this? Wala namang announcement na inilabas o pag uusap akong nabalitaan for justification man lang sana. Haay naku!!!! Any comments mga bro..???

[111prez]

i remember BF homes during the 80s and it was such a nice, cozy, residential community

recently, dumaan ako doon ang parang commercial center na lalo na yung aguirre street

frankly, i just find it sad that this happened. they could have just limited the commercial area to the place where the supermarket was (is?)

[scarab]

....i'm a resident and this ain't good news to me. AFAIK, medyo matagal ng nagaaway ang mayor at yung UBFHAI president (celso reyes). i believe the mayor wants to fully commercialize BF homes.

[bougartt]

Resident rin ako ng BF, this is bad news. But before nagkagulo na dito, nangharang nga ng 10 wheeler sa main gate dati eh.(I dont remember why). HASSLE KA JUN BERNABE.

[RedHotBlood]

grabe nga mga bro. wala ng ngang zoning para sa mga establishments tapos ganun pa. Every morning ang trapic na sa lahat ng exit and dadagdagan pa ng iba? Yung elizalde going concha cruz may guards at barrier kanina di yata kasama sa order.

[chieffy]

madalas ako dyan sa Aguirre simula late 80's hanggang early 90's...iyan din yung daanan namin papuntang SM Almanza (sa Toyota ang labas)...imho okay nga yung pagiging comercialized ng ibang portion dahil very convenient para sa mga nakatira dito

dapat hayaan man lang ipa regulate ng mayor sa homeowners assoc yung pagpasok ng sasakyan...may safety and security issue kasi na involve (remember the vizconde massacre?) at kung ako nakatira dyan siyempre ayaw ko na gawin na lang daanan ang subdivision na tinitirhan ko...ano pa purpose at sa subdivision ako kumuha ng bahay di ba? kung ganun din pala ang mangyayari eh dapat sa tabing kalye na lang ako bumili ng bahay at lupa...

di ba dalawang klase din ang stickers dyan may pang residente talaga at meron pang outsider? dapat ganitong sistema pa rin...

[kuyapete]

nung napanood ko si bernabe sa tv last week regarding this issue nga. sabi niya the public, kahit pwede nang dumaan ay bounded pa rin by the sticker policy of UBFHAI. Sa pagkaintindi ko, i think they will have a separate sticker that is only good on certain hours of the day. kung off-peak at papasok ka, di ka papayagan. Mas may sense hindi ba?

[yomar]

Buti naman kung may sticker policy pa din. Kasi traffic na talaga kahit pagkapasok pa lang sa lopez gate. diyan daan ko parati pag sinusundo ko sister ko sa san beda alabang tska going to ATC. Grabe traffic talaga.

[wildthing]

mga once or twice lang ako nakadaan dyan, I think it would be selfish not to open the gates. I know hindi na magiging "tahimik" sa lugar ninyo (bilang residente) pero ganun din naman yun kahit sarado ung mga naturang gate. Often the LOCAL GOVT has the say on these matters - kasama yun sa Urban Planning changes ng bawat munisipyo.

Why not look into the brightside of things...(if there are any)...kasi kahit anong gawin niyong petition dyan....hindi rin yan maisasara forever.

just my 2 cents. peace.

[Tifosi]

I have been a BF resident all my life (not at the present though) and I for one am truly oppossed to the idea of opening up the gates. Kaya nga kami tumira sa gated community kasi we wanted peace & quiet, not to mention safety & security. So to open up the gates, even with this sticker thing, is a sure fire road to disaster. Kung gusto ng mga sasakyan makidaan, then kumuha sila ng non-resident sticker, as in the case of BF residents getting non-resident stickers from Alabang Hills for quicker access to ATC and thereabouts. There may be those who argue na mayayaman ang mga tao sa BF kaya they can afford that, but hey, convenience comes at a price. It's not served to you on a silver platter.

Kung ganyan rin lang pala ang mangyayari eh di sana hindi na kami sa BF tumira di ba? You can say that BF residents are being selfish, but before you comment, put yourself in our shoes. Wouldn't you be fighting for the same thing? Wouldn't you be riled up if they wanted to open up your 'home'? It's like the local government telling you to open up your garden because it's the fastest way to the other street. And take note, the local government is not the one paying for the upkeep of BF, UBFHAI does from the proceeds of sticker sales and other fees. Eminent domain my a$$.

[IPSG_SlimShady]

It's like the local government telling you to open up your garden because it's the fastest way to the other street.

Not an exact analogy probably, since residents do not own the main road. And because the main roads of BF have become a major artery that conveniently connect Paranaque with Las Pinas, they have become a public interest that the municipal government can influence like to relieve traffic congestion. It has become a balancing act between privacy and public interest. I'm sure many of the commercial establishments inside BF Homes eh may kinalaman din yung mga BF Homeowners who are enterpreneurs themselves.

Parang Suez Canal yan or Panama Canal, public interest will slice it open for the greater good. You just have to re-adjust to cope up with the inevitable.

[scarab]

....actually ang pinaka-apektado talaga jan would be the residents living along the main roads (aguirre ave., el grande, elizalde, etc.).

...if your living inside a subdivision, just hope your association tightens its security.

[BlueGirl]

susubukan ko ngad umaan diyan minsan pauwi..ang alam ko mahal ng stiker kung dadaan ka lang...baka naman may friendship route narin diyan...

[sequoia]

Sobra matitipid mo kapag dyan ka dumaan lets say coming from sucat/lopez going to toyota alabang. instead na pupunta ka pa sa south xpressway para umikot. save ka na sa gas/oras at toll fee. At saka may mini subdivision within the subdivision na dyan eh, mga sectors na may sarili ring stickers. sa sobrang laki ng BF at sa pagdami ng sasakyan at commercial stablishments, inevitable na buksan na talaga yan sa public, yun nga lang dapat puro private vehicles lang ang dadaan.

[xpac]

yun nga di pa open ang gates dito traffic na, eh di lalo lang nila pinalala.
subdivision na may 4 traffic light.

[oldblue]

next thing they'll do road expansion in the coming years, so bibilhin yun mga bahay at fair market value na nasa main road to accomodate road expansion. wala magagawa home owners d2 kasi nasa law ata somewhere that do you have to comply for the greater majority, in this case, yan daan na yan.

malas ng mga taga-BF, pero ganun talaga eh, yun nga sa Blueridge dami ata house ni-relocate dun to accomodate the flyover from C5 to katip

[111prez]

...... wala magagawa home owners d2 kasi nasa law ata somewhere that do you have to comply for the greater majority, in this case, yan daan na yan.....

bro -- under the local government code in book 1, title 1, chapter 2, it provides:

"SECTION 19. Eminent Domain. − A local government unit may, through its chief executive and acting pursuant to an ordinance, exercise the power of eminent domain for public use, or purpose, or welfare for the benefit of the poor and the landless, upon payment of just compensation, pursuant to the provisions of the Constitution and pertinent laws: Provided, however, That the power of eminent domain may not be exercised unless a valid and definite offer has been previously made to the owner, and such offer was not accepted: Provided, further, That the local government unit may immediately take possession of the property upon the filing of the expropriation proceedings and upon making a deposit with the proper court of at least fifteen percent (15%) of the fair market value of the property based on the current tax declaration of the property to be expropriated: Provided, finally, That, the amount to be paid for the expropriated property shall be determined by the proper court, based on the fair market value at the time of the taking of the property."

thus, taking can be done for the following reasons: a) for public use; b) public purpose; c) public welfare for the benefit of the poor and landless

the 1987 philippine constitution also provides in article III (the bill of rights):

"Section 9. Private property shall not be taken for public use without just compensation"

the constitutional basis for taking is simply and generally "public use"

the above gives you the legal basis for the act of the local government of paranaque

as to what is public use, we have jurisprudence on that matter

[oldblue]

as to what is public use, we have jurisprudence on that matter

kitang-kita na kasi na mas madami makinabang pag gagawan ng daan dyan kasi d na kelangan dumaan ng SLEX at magbayad. mahirap yan sitwasyon ng mga taga-BF, ngayon parang nakikiraan pa yun mga motorista pero in 3 or 5 years, aakuin na ng motorista na main public road na yan

yun manggahan floodway dun sa Pasig dami din daw tinamaan na subdivision & homes to make way for the floodway, wala din nagawa considering si Imelda pa noon ang may project nito.

[Altis6453]

bro -- under the local government code in book 1, title 1, chapter 2, it provides:

"SECTION 19. Eminent Domain. − A local government unit may, through its chief executive and acting pursuant to an ordinance, exercise the power of eminent domain for public use, or purpose, or welfare for the benefit of the poor and the landless, upon payment of just compensation, pursuant to the provisions of the Constitution and pertinent laws: Provided, however, That the power of eminent domain may not be exercised unless a valid and definite offer has been previously made to the owner, and such offer was not accepted: Provided, further, That the local government unit may immediately take possession of the property upon the filing of the expropriation proceedings and upon making a deposit with the proper court of at least fifteen percent (15%) of the fair market value of the property based on the current tax declaration of the property to be expropriated: Provided, finally, That, the amount to be paid for the expropriated property shall be determined by the proper court, based on the fair market value at the time of the taking of the property."

thus, taking can be done for the following reasons: a) for public use; b) public purpose; c) public welfare for the benefit of the poor and landless

the 1987 philippine constitution also provides in article III (the bill of rights):

"Section 9. Private property shall not be taken for public use without just compensation"

the constitutional basis for taking is simply and generally "public use"

the above gives you the legal basis for the act of the local government of paranaque

as to what is public use, we have jurisprudence on that matter

I believe that pertinent to the issue is...did the City of Paranaque exercise the power of eminent domain or merely exercise police power?

From what I gather, there wasn't any expropriation to speak of. So, in effect, there was a seizure of private property without just compensation.

Just to clarify a point made earlier, the individual residents do not own the roads within their subdivision. It is the homeowners' association which holds title to the property. So, while the purpose of the property is for public use, its ownership --- at least within the confines of the subdivision, is still private and the association is tasked with the maintenance of these roads.

[oldblue]

I believe that pertinent to the issue is...did the City of Paranaque exercise the power of eminent domain or merely exercise police power?

From what I gather, there wasn't any expropriation to speak of. So, in effect, there was a seizure of private property without just compensation.

Just to clarify a point made earlier, the individual residents do not own the roads within their subdivision. It is the homeowners' association which holds title to the property. So, while the purpose of the property is for public use, its ownership --- at least within the confines of the subdivision, is still private and the association is tasked with the maintenance of these roads.

question po yun ba pag-aari ng subdivision say roads may real estate tax din, kasi d2 sa min nde nakabayad yun subd. sa real estate tax ng basketball court, nag-default na daw sabi ng munisipyo kaya may power na munisipsyo to take over our basketball court. I just wanna know if it applies to subd. roads as well.