Another transport strike set on Sept. 25-26

[dr. d]

5k-7k per jeep yun, say 5k, 2.5k sa driver and 2.5k sa operator, the 2.5k can be 2 shifts pa, so 1.25k each, then subtract diesel cost of the day per driver since boundary system

Anything else lower than this wag ka na lang mag operate diba, pero since dami nag ooperate, aabot ng 5k gross per day ang jeep per day.

Magkanu pa minimum fare ngsun? P10 . Ilan seater ang normal jeep, 18 , im assuming 9 per row,

So 10 x 18 = P180 minimum per trip, balikan P360. If say one round trip can be completed in 1 hour at minimum of P360 x 19 hours operate a day

Total nyan - P6840 per 19 hours. 5AM - 12mn . But thats the mimimum fare.

Kaya hinde poor yan mga yan. People who are classified in the poverty line are families who spends P200 for 3 meals a day and 4 members. Thats according to Neda.

too optimistic. hatiin siguro.

except for the neighborhood routes, for an inter-city route, walang ruta na one hour lang.
also is the assumption na palaging puno.

[KingoftheNorth]

the cold hard truth, jeepney is not really anti-poor. a dilapidated jeepney can earn as much as 5K-7k per day for a 19 hour operation, given 5AM - 12 midnight. with two or three shifts of drivers.

so given that the boundary per shift is 1K per driver x 3 shifts a day = 3k boundary. so pano pa yun sa operator, let's say 3k din per day. so that's 6k per day.

6K x 30 = 180,000 per month for a jeep that cost 180k too. pero this jeep, will operate forever

so what's the major cost, diesel. what else, wala na they hide on idea that they are poor so they don't maintain anything anymore, tires, lights, engine, emission.

yan talaga ang tutoo dahlian bistado na sila .


so here's a video of the Beep Marikina, the conductor is happy at P500 per day, while the driver is happy at P1000 per day salaries. these are salaries, all other maint or monthly installment, shouldered by the coop or corporation.

look at the persona of the driver and conductor in this video. tipong Hinde magkakatarbaho ang mga ito sa iba.



bakit ayaw ng mga existing jeepney drivers ang bago sistema, kasi maliit sa kanila ang P500 per day or P1000 per day. P500 - P1k per day cannot send 2 kids to college. but the existing drivers say andami nila na-paaaral.

so ginawang livelihood na talaga. PUV driving should be dun lang dapat sa mga young people maybe up to 40 years old, parang nagtrabaho lang sa jollibee, or malls or barista, single people or starting families. makes sense, kaki driving is a very physical work, kelangan sharp mind and body.


pero most of those PUV drivers that will be affected, kina-reer na buong buhay ang PUV, nagpatayo ng bahay, nagpaaral whatever. kaya apektadong apektado sila.

Just focusing on the Php 500/day take home, since equivalent to minimum wage 'yan, wala na income tax, so less PhilHealth, SSS and Pag-Ibig nalang na meron naman silang benefit.

College education is free in state-owned universities and colleges, plus they can avail of assistance for books and other fees.

[dr. d]

College education is free in state-owned universities and colleges, plus they can avail of assistance for books and other fees.

alas,
education is a long-term investment.
it won't save one from dying of starvation next month.

yes,
it would be nice if everyone had the privilege of getting a decent education.

[KingoftheNorth]

alas,
education is a long-term investment.
it won't save one from dying of starvation next month.

yes,
it would be nice if everyone had the privilege of getting a decent education.

Agree doc.

Just want to move away from the "I am poor/I am a victim" card that's always being raised ad nauseam in this issue.

[Little Missy]

Just focusing on the Php 500/day take home, since equivalent to minimum wage 'yan, wala na income tax, so less PhilHealth, SSS and Pag-Ibig nalang na meron naman silang benefit.

College education is free in state-owned universities and colleges, plus they can avail of assistance for books and other fees.

That's 15,000 a month (30 days walang day off). Pwede yan kung yung driver eh binata na tumutulong sa pamilya, pero kung head of a family, kahit isa lang anak nila sakto lang yan para wag sila magutom. Pag may anak, either gagastos sa gatas at diaper or pagpapaaral. Kailangan din ng damit, konting basic na gamit sa bahay. Gusto rin niyan ng konting pasyal sa mall at jolibee.

State universities are cheap pero kailangan din ng pamasahe, pagkain, damit, pera para sa school contributions and projects.

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[yapoy86]

Kaya dapat may financial literacy din.. marunong dapat sa pera.. at gumamit ng birth control para di dumami ang palamunin

Ang tanong nga nung taga LTFRB bakit yung bus ang taxi companies kaya mag palit ng unit?

Add nyo pa yung mga UV express plus colorum.. bakit nakakabili ng bagong urvan at hiace? Susugal ba sila dyan kung hindi kumikita?

[minicarph]

That's 15,000 a month (30 days walang day off). Pwede yan kung yung driver eh binata na tumutulong sa pamilya, pero kung head of a family, kahit isa lang anak nila sakto lang yan para wag sila magutom. Pag may anak, either gagastos sa gatas at diaper or pagpapaaral. Kailangan din ng damit, konting basic na gamit sa bahay. Gusto rin niyan ng konting pasyal sa mall at jolibee.

State universities are cheap pero kailangan din ng pamasahe, pagkain, damit, pera para sa school contributions and projects.

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hinde na nga talaga pwede, kumbaga pang barista o jollibee crew na lang ang PUV driving. hinde talaga makakabuhay ng pamilya as in. 5 anak papunta college

now that corporations are taking over, parang ganun, Rustan's in open Starbucks or Jamba Juice (Ewan ko kanila ba yun) , mga swelduhan lang ang crew, pero Ke Rustan's lahat renovation, maintenance, supplies, consumables, sofa etc ttc


so ganyan na ang mangyari sa transport industry, corporation na ang mamumuhanan, which in return, like we enjoy Starbucks with premium or satisfactory service, ganun na din ang PUV. Hindi dun sasasakay kasa dilapidated na 1989 pa manufacture,


ano ba naman ate? maawa ka naman sa masang Pilipino. misplaced ang sympathy mo, unless kaya ka ganyan either operator kayo or kamag-anak mo driver.

it's time that public commuting should be more beneficial to the commuters kasi sila ang nagpapaikot ng ekonomiya dyan, sila ang nagbabayad ng pamasahe, at least give them that convenience and privilege.

[akosijhay]

If the target of this program is the operators (or a cooperative), why is it the drivers do not want to join them if they will have more earnings than driving a regular (dilapidated) jeep?

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Actually sir we currently have a unit of UV Express. Here are the problems on our case that has individual franchise and need to transfer to a cooperative franchise

1. Some cooperatives ask for an initial 100k cash advance (or more depending on route). According to them, the money will be use to pay LTFRB fixers/insiders "padulas" in order to fasten the process of changing the individual franchise to cooperative franchise. But then, your 100k is only a cash advance at kada process/pirma ni ganito/ganyan e another padulas ang kailangan.

2. Let say some operators opted to pay for LTFRB fixers/insiders, it does not guarantee that your franchise will be process for a month. We know someone who applied for individual to cooperative franchise that is already waiting for a year, but then the "franchise decision" is still not release by LTFRB thus no valid franchise until now.

3. If an operator bought a brand new unit, imagine paying monthly amortization but then the unit itself is still not earning since no valid franchise is given by LTFRB due to "slow" process of franshise.

4. If your lucky enough, LTFRB will provide "provisional authority" while your franchise is still on process BUT you need to pay LTFRB 500 pesos every 2 months to renew it since it is only valid for 2 months.

5. For drivers, imagine if the unit they drive does not have a valid franchise, paano nila mapapakain ang pamilya nila. Will government provide a temporary support?


I am in favor of this PUV modernization since I am a commuter too. I just hope that government should also fix the LTFRB "slow and corrupt practice".

If someone will answer this post "bakit kasi kailangan nyo magbigay ng padulas para bayaran ang mga fixers", then i think we can compare this case to Customs

[heavenlee]

Actually sir we currently have a unit of UV Express. Here are the problems on our case that has individual franchise and need to transfer to a cooperative franchise

1. Some cooperatives ask for an initial 100k cash advance (or more depending on route). According to them, the money will be use to pay LTFRB fixers/insiders "padulas" in order to fasten the process of changing the individual franchise to cooperative franchise. But then, your 100k is only a cash advance at kada process/pirma ni ganito/ganyan e another padulas ang kailangan.

2. Let say some operators opted to pay for LTFRB fixers/insiders, it does not guarantee that your franchise will be process for a month. We know someone who applied for individual to cooperative franchise that is already waiting for a year, but then the "franchise decision" is still not release by LTFRB thus no valid franchise until now.

3. If an operator bought a brand new unit, imagine paying monthly amortization but then the unit itself is still not earning since no valid franchise is given by LTFRB due to "slow" process of franshise.

4. If your lucky enough, LTFRB will provide "provisional authority" while your franchise is still on process BUT you need to pay LTFRB 500 pesos every 2 months to renew it since it is only valid for 2 months.

5. For drivers, imagine if the unit they drive does not have a valid franchise, paano nila mapapakain ang pamilya nila. Will government provide a temporary support?


I am in favor of this PUV modernization since I am a commuter too. I just hope that government should also fix the LTFRB "slow and corrupt practice".

If someone will answer this post "bakit kasi kailangan nyo magbigay ng padulas para bayaran ang mga fixers", then i think we can compare this case to Customs

This is why a lot of stakeholders are wary of the government and its program. When government says "It's for everyone's good", what the stakeholders hear is "This is our grand scheme to make lots more money from you suckers". Can you blame them? They've been thrown under the bus so many times, they know better than to trust the government blindly.

[myas110]

So the LTFRB really is the culprit. Nagbibigay nga ng Franchise sa mga modern jeeps pero pag sa iba, uupuan nila ng matagal.

Ako naman, I'm all in for the PUV modernization. Pero nakakainis lang talaga yung mga continued "corrupt" practices ng agency.

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[Little Missy]

Here we talk about our cars, watches, travels, food and coffee and yet expect a typical Filipino family na mabuhay sa 500 a day. On some days isang meal lang natin yan.

Konting kibot ng government nararamdaman ng nasa laylayan. Pasensiya na napupunta sa sa "I am poor I am a victim" ang usapan.



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[Little Missy]

Sabi mo tataas na tingin sa drivers, professional na, in demand. Tapos ngayon service crew level di makabuhay ng pamilya? Ano talaga.

I'm all for modernization, commuter din ako tsaka I think if people leave their cars at home and take public transpo, that can help ease the traffic problem. The thing with what your saying mini, san galing yan? Yan ang naiimagine mo pero nasa motive and implementation yan. This admin has a track record for anomalies.



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[akosijhay]

Sabi mo tataas na tingin sa drivers, professional na, in demand. Tapos ngayon service crew level di makabuhay ng pamilya? Ano talaga.

I'm all for modernization, commuter din ako tsaka I think if people leave their cars at home and take public transpo, that can help ease the traffic problem. The thing with what your saying mini, san galing yan? Yan ang naiimagine mo pero nasa motive and implementation yan. This admin has a track record for anomalies.



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Commuter ka rin pala Ms. Missy. Can you just imagine ung pila ng UV Express/Jeep na nararanasan natin ngayon every rush hour at kailangan mag antay for atleast an hour bago makasakay? Then once they implement phasing out old jeepneys/vans without any alternatives e paano na kaya tayo makakauwi?


Again, I support the PUV modernization program dahil maganda ang layunin neto. IMHO, it's the LTFRB implementation that makes it hard for most operators who want to comply.

[17Sphynx17]

Sabi mo tataas na tingin sa drivers, professional na, in demand. Tapos ngayon service crew level di makabuhay ng pamilya? Ano talaga.

I'm all for modernization, commuter din ako tsaka I think if people leave their cars at home and take public transpo, that can help ease the traffic problem. The thing with what your saying mini, san galing yan? Yan ang naiimagine mo pero nasa motive and implementation yan. This admin has a track record for anomalies.



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http://ltfrb.gov.ph/wp-content/uploa...O-2017-011.pdf

Per the Modernization guidelines, they should be requiring an Age Limit for these PUJs, meaning only those that exceed it will immediately need to be replaced. The rest/remaining can continue to operate their last remaining months/years.

But, I can't find the exact department memorandum that specifically states the maximum age of jeeps.

It indicated, buses, taxis, UV Express... but no jeeps. So, you can try to clear it up yourself as well to get a black and white answer, not hearsay.

Motive? Improve public transport.

Hindi mo din pwede sabihin na i-libre ng gobyerno yung pagpalit ng jeep nila, dahil they are a business operation for profit (the operators). That also applies to the vehicle manufacturing.

I would agree with subsidy on the acquisition of these modern Jeeps/minibus since they are for public conveyance, but that's it. Only on the SRP of the vehicles, not on the fares. Mauulit lang tayo sa MRT niyan kasi papabayaan ng operator yung vehicle na mabulok kung subsidized kahit fares nila.

What admin exactly has no track record of anomalies? Kahit si Cory meron, so what's the point? The importance is just implementing this as straight as you can. Kaya nga may "watchdogs" diba?

Pero, we already have the info that the operators themselves are twisting the information they say in public. You could also say the same for the other side, but... at least there is some documentation available online already from the institutions in question about the "facts".

I do agree, I want LTFRB trashed and just have it under DOTR, at least wala na turuan kung sino may sala. Kung may anomaly about franchising, ang turo lang sa isang agency, wala na iba.

I do not particularly agree with just playing on emotion na "maawa kayo sa maralita" kasi ilang taon na ba nagbigay ng consideration at "naawa"? Hanggang ngayon sa kanila pa din pero pag may nangyari sa public because of these dilapidated unmaintained vehicles... "pasensya na boss..." ganun na lang parati?

There should be a line already. Sa kaka postpone, ayan, inflation has skyrocketed the SRP, postpone mo ulit, tataas lang yan ulit in 5 years time. Same tune ulit maririnig mo, maawa kayo, sobra mahal. Walang katapusan.

I want to go back to commuting again if I can, but I can't kasi bago pa ako makarating sa meeting/pupuntahan ko, lamog na ako.

Nagcommute ako dati dito sa Manila, pero ngayon, sa ibang bansa lang.

Bakit ko nagagawa yun sa ibang bansa, pero dito hindi. When public transpo should be the most accessible. It may not be the most convenient, but at least practical and accessible.

E dito, hindi na nga practical, hindi pa convenient.

EDIT :

Below is some details from imoney website. But I don't see links to official documentation so take this an interpretation of a website, rather than official information

Jeepney Modernization Program: Future Of Public Transport

[minicarph]

Sabi mo tataas na tingin sa drivers, professional na, in demand. Tapos ngayon service crew level di makabuhay ng pamilya? Ano talaga.

I'm all for modernization, commuter din ako tsaka I think if people leave their cars at home and take public transpo, that can help ease the traffic problem. The thing with what your saying mini, san galing yan? Yan ang naiimagine mo pero nasa motive and implementation yan. This admin has a track record for anomalies.



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Since corporate na ang setup PuV, ageing drivers can move up the ladder, trainor, supervisor, dispatcher, or maybe even avp ng coop or kumpanya nila.

Magkakarun na ng promotion system. If the driver is more technically inclined, then dun sya mechanic dept. mag head. Who knows they ‘d invent someday solar battery efficient system na financed by the company itself

Mga Ayala, at SM saka mga SMC din magpapatayo ng sari sarile nila PUV Lines and even incorporate it with their existing infra like their mall terminals, or , townships, condo, expressways Atbp.


Hinde ko na iniisip ang existing setup and these drivers na ayaw sa change. If they will not change, we as a country will not change.

Hirap na hirap na nga kami lahat sa corporate everyday trying to find solutions to problems, pero mga existing jepepney drivers paulit-paulit ang problema at bottleneck sa klasada, and then kelangan maawa pa kami sa plight nila in the guise of what? they are poor? They earn are as much as us, eh nakakapag-aral ng 5 anak sa college. Wala pa sila tax.

Kahit tanung mo kahit sinong expat dito, na galing first world who never had a problem with traffic caused by stop and go jeepneys, alam nila walang patutunguhan ang Pilipinas if we dont remove the baluktot system

i could be darwinian to you LM, if these drivers are not up to the challenges of the future then let them fall, free fall if they have to. They are like rotten apples to a basket like the new Philippine economy.

[yapoy86]

Sabi mo tataas na tingin sa drivers, professional na, in demand. Tapos ngayon service crew level di makabuhay ng pamilya? Ano talaga.

I'm all for modernization, commuter din ako tsaka I think if people leave their cars at home and take public transpo, that can help ease the traffic problem. The thing with what your saying mini, san galing yan? Yan ang naiimagine mo pero nasa motive and implementation yan. This admin has a track record for anomalies.



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Here it is.. so what can you suggest how to implement given that there will always be anomalies in the government

[17Sphynx17]

Here it is.. so what can you suggest how to implement given that there will always be anomalies in the government

Well, if I may just recommend here.

1) All LTFRB/DOTR Application, pending and approved be available online, for viewing by enforcers (to check colorum etc)

2) LTFRB/DOTR Application MUST only be applied online, so that walang "padrino system" or "backer" na pwede maginfluence ng decision.

3) Applications MUST be approved or rejected with X Days or Weeks. If hindi naactionan within said period, automatic provisional authority na for 6 months, subject for reapplication, since LTFRB/DOTR may delay.

3.1) Since a route is already awarded to a coop/group, wala na pwede iba magapply for the same route para wala na magkarera/unahan ng pasahero. Ang tanong na lang ilan ang max routes pwede hawakan ng isang group of people/coop/organization para di bagsak sa PCC (Competition Council) at walang "monopoly"

4) Since may designated yard na dapat sila and/or terminals, LTO must conduct random spot inspections quarterly for their "areas" kung road worthy ba since heavy use mga ito. Kung di kaya quarterly, semi-annual na lang. And may service records dapat na susubmit to LTO, parang sa logbook ng elevators and fire protection equipment.

5) LGU/Municipal/Provincial Government MUST define set stops, hindi na labolabo ang dropoff and pickup points.

6) Transport Plan submitted during the application process must define intervals of dropoff or pickup at set routes, every 15 minutes ba, 20 minutes, or half an hour? Para di na din chambahan kung may dadaan. That way, kung kulang/sobra ang PUJ sa routes, trabaho ng coop increase ang frequency/decrease ang frequency.

[Little Missy]

I know that document I'm asking mini san niya pinagkukuha sinasabi niya na paiba iba.

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[17Sphynx17]

I know that document I'm asking mini san niya pinagkukuha sinasabi niya na paiba iba.

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Kwento nung kaibigan kong operator dati, alam ko sabi niya NET na niya per jeep niya is 500php, deduct na yung sa driver, gas, and "simple" maintenance and parts replacement. Iba usapan pa yung palit gulong or kung may major repairs. Yung 500php, lowest daily average na niya sa isang jeep. So pwede pa tumaas.

Pero hindi ko na alam status ngayon kasi sumakabilang buhay na siya. Di ko na din alam anu nangyari sa "fleet" niya. I think tatlo or apat na jeep yun.

So kung sa "minimum". 500php x 30days x 12 months. 180,000php. If say tataas nga yung minimum fare to 12php from 8php, so 50% increase, sabihin mo na minimum annual revenue ng operator kung apples to apples pa din, 270,000php.

Pero pwede tumaas yung daily annual niya kasi lowest daily net niya yung 500php, per kwento niya.

[heavenlee]

Kwento nung kaibigan kong operator dati, alam ko sabi niya NET na niya per jeep niya is 500php, deduct na yung sa driver, gas, and "simple" maintenance and parts replacement. Iba usapan pa yung palit gulong or kung may major repairs. Yung 500php, lowest daily average na niya sa isang jeep. So pwede pa tumaas.

Pero hindi ko na alam status ngayon kasi sumakabilang buhay na siya. Di ko na din alam anu nangyari sa "fleet" niya. I think tatlo or apat na jeep yun.

So kung sa "minimum". 500php x 30days x 12 months. 180,000php. If say tataas nga yung minimum fare to 12php from 8php, so 50% increase, sabihin mo na minimum annual revenue ng operator kung apples to apples pa din, 270,000php.

Pero pwede tumaas yung daily annual niya kasi lowest daily net niya yung 500php, per kwento niya.

500 per day is just like getting minimum pay. Call center agents earn way more. Even if he averages 750pesos/day that's not even 20k / month, if you deduct 4 days of the month for when the vehicle does not go out (i.e. color coding days).