Another transport strike set on Sept. 25-26

[sparc179]

According to interviews given by Martin Delgra.....WALA.


Honestly, I don't think the PUJ operators are "all in". Transport strike pero mayamaya lang pumapasada na ulit. And no I don't think they will win any concessions.

No surprise there, these groups have been doing that move for decades, sometimes they get something in return, but usually get zero returns.

They should protest for a whole week to make the gov't listen, but even they can't afford not to make a living for a full 5 days.

Gee, imagine no jeepneys on the roads for one whole week, what bliss!

[Little Missy]

so, was monday's puj strike a success?
aside from inconveniencing the commuting public, what else did the recent puj strike result in?
for heartless me, 'twas less traffic on the road...

Sad that it has to be the poor (commuters) vs the poor (jeepney drivers).

Also, hindi naman puv ang nagpapatraffic.

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[chronicle]

Sad that it has to be the poor (commuters) vs the poor (jeepney drivers).

Also, hindi naman puv ang nagpapatraffic.

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[dr. d]

Savage ni LM ngayon ah, hope you've had your morning drink already madame.

...must be the tail light issue...

[Little Missy]

Ang issue nila yung cost. Hindi nila afford yung loan. Pahihiramin ng landbank, with interest aabot 2M.

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[KingoftheNorth]

Ang issue nila yung cost. Hindi nila afford yung loan. Pahihiramin ng landbank, with interest aabot 2M.

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Well, that's the thing. The whole model of a single unit PUJ operator was unduly allowed to continue and proliferate pero hindi naman yun talaga ang requirement sa batas. So with 250,000+ units plying the roads, most if not all are single unit owned and operated, naging mom and pop operation na ang PUJ. No hope of modernizing kasi kung umaandar pa ang 10, 15, 20 year old na jeep, sige lang ang pasada.

Again, an operator of a public utility must show that he has the legal, technical and FINANCIAL capability to own and operate a public utility, in this case, a PUJ. Hindi kailanman nila naging karapatan ang mamasada sa kalye dahil lang nagmamay-ari sila ng jeep.

These PUJ operators are framing the issue badly in that they have "no money" with which to buy a modernized jeep, pero yun talaga ang kailangan mo to operate public transport that is both safe AND convenient. Hindi naman sagot ng gobyerno ang financial viability ng pag-operate ng PUJs. On the contrary, it is the operator who must show they are financially capable kaya sila nag-apply and nabigyan ng franchise. If they were dealing with this intelligently, they should have lobbied for higher fares outright and a higher amount of loans, waived franchise fees, plus tax incentives for 7 years to soften the initial blow of the cost of the newer jeeps.

[sparc179]

It's all just a ruse so the average jeepney operator will not be able to comply and they will be forced to stop plying their jalopies. That's when the cronies come in with their vehicles and take over the whole industry.

Mo' money for the already-rich, less money for the already poor.

[Verbl Kint]

Actually, mas hihigit ₱500k ang jeep kung patok bibilhin mo.

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[Little Missy]

Instead of targeting poverty kasi, lalong mapag-iiwanan yung mahihirap na nga and ang makikinabang yung mayayaman na.

May means ang government or at least they can think of another way that is not antipoor but there lies the other cancer of the country: corruption.

There is a problem if the government and society is apathetic to the poor. Parang sakit yan, if you don't treat it kikirot at lalabas yan elsewhere. Para kang nagpatayo ng bahay pero di mo tinreat yung anay. Modern nga ang transpo, hundred thousand strong naman ang NPA. Joke but you know what I mean.[emoji111]

Gusto natin ng progress but we won't get rid of the third world vibe if maraming naghihirap. Kadikit niyan lack of education, crime, illegal settlement, and so on.

But I guess that's why we have this government right now, because there are Filipinos na payag sa gobyernong itokhang ang mga adik at kriminal dahil di naman sila kriminal. (Pero yung root ng problem which is poverty, druglords and shabu shipments hindi masolve). Sorry OT but you know what I mean. Okay lang satin mamatay ang mga kababayan basta tayo okay. That's a dds mentality.

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[minicarph]

Instead of targeting poverty kasi, lalong mapag-iiwanan yung mahihirap na nga and ang makikinabang yung mayayaman na.

May means ang government or at least they can think of another way that is not antipoor but there lies the other cancer of the country: corruption.

There is a problem if the government and society is apathetic to the poor. Parang sakit yan, if you don't treat it kikirot at lalabas yan elsewhere. Para kang nagpatayo ng bahay pero di mo tinreat yung anay. Modern nga ang transpo, hundred thousand strong naman ang NPA. Joke but you know what I mean.[emoji111]

Gusto natin ng progress but we won't get rid of the third world vibe if maraming naghihirap. Kadikit niyan lack of education, crime, illegal settlement, and so on.

But I guess that's why we have this government right now, because there are Filipinos na payag sa gobyernong itokhang ang mga adik at kriminal dahil di naman sila kriminal. (Pero yung root ng problem which is poverty, druglords and shabu shipments hindi masolve). Sorry OT but you know what I mean. Okay lang satin mamatay ang mga kababayan basta tayo okay. That's a dds mentality.

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hinde nga sila magiging mahirap, kasi yun number 1 skill nila which is driving skills, magkakarun pa nga ng demand, swelduhan pa.

hinde naman tinatanggal ang PUV, like sidewalk vendors, mino-modernize.

so Malabo I-equate ang poverty sa PUV. in fact, in the not so distant future, PUV drivers will be regarded as professionals na. it removes that stereotype na pag driver, mahirap lang.

[dct]

Naaaliw ako magbasa dito. For the first time ata may sense lahat ng sinasabi ni OB

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[chronicle]

Naaaliw ako magbasa dito. For the first time ata may sense lahat ng sinasabi ni OB

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From time to time. He/she has some nuggets of wisdom.


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[sparc179]

From time to time. He/she has some nuggets of wisdom.


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Lucid intervals.

[myas110]

If the target of this program is the operators (or a cooperative), why is it the drivers do not want to join them if they will have more earnings than driving a regular (dilapidated) jeep?

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[dr. d]

If the target of this program is the operators (or a cooperative), why is it the drivers do not want to join them if they will have more earnings than driving a regular (dilapidated) jeep?

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someone has to pay for that milling buck-vehicle.
it has to come out of someone's pocket.
and they believe, it's... their pocket. directly or indirectly.
"tataas ang boundary."

[xxxlam]

I'm willing to pay 15.00 pesos per ride xD

Imagine, paying around 180.00++ just for the parking fee ng kotse?

What I don't like about our legacy jeeps are, it is siksikan, madali madukutan (grabe 'yung nakita ko, ayaw ko i-kwento dito :-/ ), kaskasero ang driver halos mahulog ka na sa upuan.

You guys are keep saying "you do the math"... i-expect natin na mag-mamahal talaga ang singil kung gaganda naman ang service.

What if we phase out little by little, example, dry-run tayo sa Makati. Then let's study, learn, and improve what needs to be improved. Next, nearby cities, hanggang buong Metro Manila na... I'm pretty sure kung gumanda ang lifestyle, gumanda ang earnings, nearby provinces will follow.

Not to mention we should comply with Euro4 emission standards in the future.

[minicarph]

If the target of this program is the operators (or a cooperative), why is it the drivers do not want to join them if they will have more earnings than driving a regular (dilapidated) jeep?

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the cold hard truth, jeepney is not really anti-poor. a dilapidated jeepney can earn as much as 5K-7k per day for a 19 hour operation, given 5AM - 12 midnight. with two or three shifts of drivers.

so given that the boundary per shift is 1K per driver x 3 shifts a day = 3k boundary. so pano pa yun sa operator, let's say 3k din per day. so that's 6k per day.

6K x 30 = 180,000 per month for a jeep that cost 180k too. pero this jeep, will operate forever

so what's the major cost, diesel. what else, wala na they hide on idea that they are poor so they don't maintain anything anymore, tires, lights, engine, emission.

yan talaga ang tutoo dahlian bistado na sila .


so here's a video of the Beep Marikina, the conductor is happy at P500 per day, while the driver is happy at P1000 per day salaries. these are salaries, all other maint or monthly installment, shouldered by the coop or corporation.

look at the persona of the driver and conductor in this video. tipong Hinde magkakatarbaho ang mga ito sa iba.



bakit ayaw ng mga existing jeepney drivers ang bago sistema, kasi maliit sa kanila ang P500 per day or P1000 per day. P500 - P1k per day cannot send 2 kids to college. but the existing drivers say andami nila na-paaaral.

so ginawang livelihood na talaga. PUV driving should be dun lang dapat sa mga young people maybe up to 40 years old, parang nagtrabaho lang sa jollibee, or malls or barista, single people or starting families. makes sense, kaki driving is a very physical work, kelangan sharp mind and body.


pero most of those PUV drivers that will be affected, kina-reer na buong buhay ang PUV, nagpatayo ng bahay, nagpaaral whatever. kaya apektadong apektado sila.

[_Qwerty_]

mini san mo kinuha yang 5K-7K per day operation? masyado mataas yan.. eh di lahat nag Jeepney driver na lang..

sa trapik ngayon.. ma swerte na maka 1T na kita (malinis na, bawas na boundary, krudo, linis) ang driver in 12 hours..

and hindi 30 days lumalabas.. ma swerte na siguro yung 20 to 24 days per month.

the cold hard truth, jeepney is not really anti-poor. a dilapidated jeepney can earn as much as 5K-7k per day for a 19 hour operation, given 5AM - 12 midnight. with two or three shifts of drivers.

so given that the boundary per shift is 1K per driver x 3 shifts a day = 3k boundary. so pano pa yun sa operator, let's say 3k din per day. so that's 6k per day.

6K x 30 = 180,000 per month for a jeep that cost 180k too. pero this jeep, will operate forever

so what's the major cost, diesel. what else, wala na they hide on idea that they are poor so they don't maintain anything anymore, tires, lights, engine, emission.

yan talaga ang tutoo dahlian bistado na sila .


so here's a video of the Beep Marikina, the conductor is happy at P500 per day, while the driver is happy at P1000 per day salaries. these are salaries, all other maint or monthly installment, shouldered by the coop or corporation.

look at the persona of the driver and conductor in this video. tipong Hinde magkakatarbaho ang mga ito sa iba.



bakit ayaw ng mga existing jeepney drivers ang bago sistema, kasi maliit sa kanila ang P500 per day or P1000 per day. P500 - P1k per day cannot send 2 kids to college. but the existing drivers say andami nila na-paaaral.

so ginawang livelihood na talaga. PUV driving should be dun lang dapat sa mga young people maybe up to 40 years old, parang nagtrabaho lang sa jollibee, or malls or barista, single people or starting families. makes sense, kaki driving is a very physical work, kelangan sharp mind and body.


pero most of those PUV drivers that will be affected, kina-reer na buong buhay ang PUV, nagpatayo ng bahay, nagpaaral whatever. kaya apektadong apektado sila.

[_Qwerty_]

ang kagandahan lang dyan sa bagong sistema.. may SSS / Philhealth / Pagibig / 13th month pay ang driver at kundoktor na wala sa sistema ngayon..

[minicarph]

mini san mo kinuha yang 5K-7K per day operation? masyado mataas yan.. eh di lahat nag Jeepney driver na lang..

sa trapik ngayon.. ma swerte na maka 1T na kita (malinis na, bawas na boundary, krudo, linis) ang driver in 12 hours..

and hindi 30 days lumalabas.. ma swerte na siguro yung 20 to 24 days per month.

5k-7k per jeep yun, say 5k, 2.5k sa driver and 2.5k sa operator, the 2.5k can be 2 shifts pa, so 1.25k each, then subtract diesel cost of the day per driver since boundary system

Anything else lower than this wag ka na lang mag operate diba, pero since dami nag ooperate, aabot ng 5k gross per day ang jeep per day.

Magkanu pa minimum fare ngsun? P10 . Ilan seater ang normal jeep, 18 , im assuming 9 per row,

So 10 x 18 = P180 minimum per trip, balikan P360. If say one round trip can be completed in 1 hour at minimum of P360 x 19 hours operate a day

Total nyan - P6840 per 19 hours. 5AM - 12mn . But thats the mimimum fare.

Kaya hinde poor yan mga yan. People who are classified in the poverty line are families who spends P200 for 3 meals a day and 4 members. Thats according to Neda.