Vios 1.3 M/T faster than Mazda 3 2.0R!

[RadioKnight]

0 to 60 (or thereabouts... Not top speed) --- which is faster?

Does anyone have first hand experience? Ive driven both and really feel the vios is faster (?)

One of these days, i might just race the two just to see which is which... Hehe

Anyone care to share their experience with the two?

[mda]

The Vios 1.5s are faster than the 1.6 3s, but I doubt that the 1.3s will be faster than the 2.0Rs.

Not first hand experience though. We don't own any of the two.

But as far as I know, the Civic 1.8 AT will accelerate around the same speed that the 2.0R will, and I don't think matatapatan yan ng 1.3 Vios.

[niky]

The 2.0R and Civic 1.8 AT both get to 100 km/h in 10.5 seconds or so from a dead stop.

The Vios 1.5 MT does the same in about 11 seconds.

Your Vios 1.3 MT should do it in about 12 or so. It only feels faster because Toyota programs its electronic throttles to open more completely with smaller pedal inputs.

With the 2.0R, it's
10% pedal - (delay) 10% throttle
50% - 50%
100% - 100%

With Toyota's it's usually
10% pedal - 20% throttle
50% - 80%
100% - 100%.

All perception.

[vinj]

The Vios is also lighter thus it feels nervous and faster at speed versus the heavier 1.6s.

[RadioKnight]

The 2.0R and Civic 1.8 AT both get to 100 km/h in 10.5 seconds or so from a dead stop.

The Vios 1.5 MT does the same in about 11 seconds.

Your Vios 1.3 MT should do it in about 12 or so. It only feels faster because Toyota programs its electronic throttles to open more completely with smaller pedal inputs.

With the 2.0R, it's
10% pedal - (delay) 10% throttle
50% - 50%
100% - 100%

With Toyota's it's usually
10% pedal - 20% throttle
50% - 80%
100% - 100%.

All perception.

Thanks for your input! If this is true, toyota did a great job with improving feel and perception. Now that you mentioned it, i did base my observation only from slightly spirited city driving, NOT from full throttle scenarios.

I just downloaded this cool app for my android phone that uses gps to time how long it takes for you to get from speed X to speed Y. Really cool! Can't wait to test it out and see which is faster! Will posts results here! Too bad I don't know anyone who has a civic I can time.

[niky]

I'm not completely satisfied with the performance of GPS-based speed meters on Androids. Most Android phones don't have the accuracy to give consistent results. And standing starts often flummox them, and they don't start timing right away.

Best results you can get with a "cheap" device are with the Racelogic V-Box.

That said, best to do testing on a piece of ground that's straight, with no traffic. You'll have to use your GPS to measure altitude at the beginning and end of the straight. For slow cars like the Vios, a slightly uphill pull results in a much longer time, while a slightly downhill one results in a shorter time.

Safest to do, if you don't want to ruin your clutch, is a 30-60 mph measure or a 60-100 km/h one.

[RadioKnight]

*niky : thanks for your advice. I just got back in from a night of 'testing'! Pretty fun!

I agree that the android gps time apps are less than satisfactory! At the very best, i think they are only good as basis of comparison (especially if used over many 'runs').

I tested 20-80kph -- as i thought this is the 'sweet spot'. But since 20 kph is slow, i ended up taking it from stop and 1st gear anyway.

unfortunately, i was not able to take the vios out, but i was able to do about 5 runs on the mazda 3 2.0... I averaged around 8 seconds. (does this sound right?).

Im normally quite a mild mannered driver. But for the sake of science, I kept gunning it from stop... The car would shift itself at red line! Whew!

Side question: Assuming car is warm already, how damaging is open throttle hard acceleration? What would you keep an eye out for? engine damage? Clutch? Transmission? Or is this generally ok? I assume a lot of the performance buffs here gun their cars quite a bit. Should i have the car checked out after? But that was quite fun!

Going back to my experimentation, I'll see if i can borrow and take the vios out tom. My worry is that the gps app can not capture the fine difference. Anyway, aside from the vios, I will also try it on a car that should deliver a faster time and see if gps will validate what is expected.

[niky]

Only damaging to the clutch when you "launch".

Unfortunately, I have no point of comparison with a 20-80. I know most cars at this level can do 0-20 km/h in about 1.5 seconds, but 80-100 depends on a whole slew of factors, including gearing and the 2nd-3rd shift (which can add nearly a whole second. 8 seconds sounds a bit slow, but if you're not "launching", it takes the engine some time to kick into gear.

[renzo_d10]

Niky, if you dont mind sharing, ano yung time ng RS mo ? 0-60mph or whatever. Curious kasi ako since your RS is stock from the outside & yet tuned siya from the " inside " plus M/T pa.

[niky]

Last I timed it in this state of tune, around 8.6 or 8.7 seconds from 0-100 km/h. Estimate the surface we used for the last test added about 0.5 seconds to the time.

Fastest I've ever done (when it was still just lightly modified) was 8.3 seconds, but that was on a better surface.

Reason the car isn't so much faster now is because my tires are too sticky (hard to launch) and the gearbox isn't as new as it used to be, so I have to be gentle with the 2-3 upshift, which costs me about 0.5 seconds. If the gearbox were fresh and I still had my stock tires, I reckon the car should be in the high 7s or around 8 flat.

[renzo_d10]

7 ? Bilis.

Since nasa usapan na rin ng performance, so it's not really that advantageous to use Neovas since they're sticky at dry surfaces & are slippery on the other hand on wet pavements ?

Nagiging advantageous lang ang Neova's pag dating sa high speed turns & runs since mas maganda kapit niya sa daan, diba ? Hmmmm.

[niky]

High 7s. Maybe 7.9. Still not quite as good as a moderately modified SiR.

Neovas are great on the racetrack. On the street, on drag launches, they're not a great advantage on a low-power car which doesn't have a lot of torque. (yes, I consider cars like the Lynx and SiR low-power... )

[renzo_d10]

High 7s. Maybe 7.9. Still not quite as good as a moderately modified SiR.

Neovas are great on the racetrack. On the street, on drag launches, they're not a great advantage on a low-power car which doesn't have a lot of torque. (yes, I consider cars like the Lynx and SiR low-power... )

Exception naman yung sayo eh.

Yeah, I can consider the SiR as low power. AFAIK a properly tuned SR20DE can eat up SiR's anytime. Wag lang hindi nakatono yung SR.

Hehehehe.

[ghosthunter]

Exception naman yung sayo eh.

Yeah, I can consider the SiR as low power. AFAIK a properly tuned SR20DE can eat up SiR's anytime. Wag lang hindi nakatono yung SR.

Hehehehe.

Even a Sentra with a factory stock SR20DE will eat SiRs.

[GTi]

I would like to share about my experiences. I have driven a 2006 1.3E M/T Vios for quite a few times before. I had to be very careful with the pedal input as to avoid unnecessary overrevving as even the slightest additional pedal input can send the tach needle skyrocketing. The performance of the car itself is quite ordinary and definitely not what I would call fast. Also the idling of that particular unit (ganun ba lahat ng Vios?) is very low so that I had to always maintain a bit of gas before launching from a full stop. I haven't driven a Mazda 3 2.0R, the only 2.0L sedan I've driven is a 1993 Ford Telstar (rebadged 626) 2.0GLX A/T in Taiwan. Of course, being an old car, everything is traditional here so no sort of pedal trickery. But despite the modest power output of this particular engine and much lower than the Mazda 3's 2.0, this is what I would call fast. Even the slightest prod on the throttle would be enough to go around town at a lively pace and the only thing that I had to constantly take note of is to keep the car from exceeding the city speed limit of 60km/h. The exhaust note, is very, very pleasant to my ears too as compared to the Vios 1.3E which was simply asthmatic.

So IMHO a 1.3 M/T Vios could not be faster than a 2.0L Mazda 3. Perhaps a lightly modded 1.5L Vios would.

[RadioKnight]

I am back from testing with new insights -- Vios 1.3L M/T IS NOT FASTER than the Mazda 3 2.0!

It is true that in city / mild traffic driving, it seems to me that vios is faster. Throttle is more responsive, pull is instant (mostly due to being manual) and the vios generally feels a lot more nimble (I feel I could weave thru with more control -- also due to being manual).

But after taking my (somewhat unreliable/inaccurate) Android-based GPS timing system and flooring both cars in an open road, I realized -- MAN, Vios is slow. hehe

I mentioned doing about 8 seconds 20kph-80kph with the mazda 3 2.0... I did about 15 seconds on the vios! hehe It takes forever. I was surprised at the size of the difference.. but that's what I got!

I mostly ended up just driving around with friends with our different cars. Generally had a good time "testing". We got to time others, although generally tinamad na kami mag time. Next time sama kayo!

[ghosthunter]

Just proves that "by the pants feeling" of acceleration can be misleading to the driver's perception of speed.

The same goes for cars equipped with CVT transmissions. The smoother "shifts" from low to high ratios and lacking that "shift" feel can make the driver think the car is accelerating slower than other equivalent vehicles.

[renzo_d10]

Probably because the Vios is lighter you can feel the pull & the speed more than when you're in a Mazda 3 2.0R which is generally heavier.

[Slyfox168]

The 1.3 variant Vios has been known to reach 190 Kph at clear NLEX, SCTEX and SLEX stretches. I haven’t personally tried this, but I can say I can personally attest to the less-than-10 seconds zero to 100 acceleration.

Review: Toyota Vios 1.3E (2nd Generation) - Pinoy Auto Blog
my vios 1.3E can do also less than 10 seconds ;)

I did about 15 seconds on the vios! hehe

maybe may sira na yan 1.3E mo bro

[niky]

Review: Toyota Vios 1.3E (2nd Generation) - Pinoy Auto Blog
my vios 1.3E can do also less than 10 seconds ;)



maybe may sira na yan 1.3E mo bro

Sub-10 seconds? Bull. I've been doing acceleration testing for the past 5 years... and that claim just makes me laugh.

I've driven various ZZ-powered Toyotas. I've tested various methods of launching. And there's no way of getting below 10 seconds on a stock 1.3.

A stock 1.3 is within the 12-13 second range if you drive it right. The slow 20-80 time is because he wasn't "launching", meaning he had to slog through the entire first gear. To get anywhere under 12 seconds, you have to launch at a catastrophic 5000+ rpms on the tachometer and slip the clutch brutally to keep the engine spinning through first gear and up into the powerband right away.

Maybe someone flat-shifting through the transmission will get near 11... on a cool day with a fresh engine and a stripped interior. Someone who doesn't care about grinding the transmission to dust. But under 10 seconds? Whoever claims that can set an appointment with us at Speedlab for V-Box testing. Hell... let's put money on the table on the results... shall we?