Is Toyota still forcing you to do 5,000km PMS?

[niky]

Hi Niky! Are the 1NZ and 2NZ prone to this too?

Not so sure. I would have to interview the taxi operators. I know that the engines tend to run hot on LPG, but that's also partly due to operator error and tinkering. I've also noted that the NZ tends to feel sluggish in traffic, and could do with a beefier cooling system. This is likely why non-LPG Vios taxi operators also open their hoods, not just to prevent overheats (that aren't happening) but also because of heat-soak.

(note: won't overheat with the hood closed... not unless you've been remiss on maintenance)

[_Qwerty_]

you had the car in 1996? how old were you then?

I do the same. My 1996 AE101 has more or less 180k on the odometer, oil change done religiously every 5000 kms. The car's engine never gave me any problems. I recently sold it and the buyer was able to drive it home to La Union/Baguio!

I followed the 5000 km oil change even after the warranty of my car expired, in return I got myself a car that is reliable and headache free.

[_Cathy_]

you had the car in 1996? how old were you then?

I was around 16.

[Lew_Alcindor]

my 10,000kms PMS last January cost me Php3,900.
Mineral oil (7 liters) for Innova Diesel G M/T

mura lang.

[chookchakchenes]

Vodka,

Yung sa honda casa na tinutukoy mo every 6months or 10,000kms eh fully synthetic oil ang gamit. If mineral oil every 3months or 3,000 kms ang advise.

Ang mga casa sa pilipinas eh may sales quota kailangan matarget every month. Kaya ang service advisor puro mahal gusto ibenta sa mga consumer. Nung warrranty pa kotse ko sabi ko mineral oil lang ilagay tapos every 6months. Sinabihan ako na keyso ganyan kesyo ganito. Nakasimangot nung sinabi ko mineral pa rin gusto ko. (hindi ako lumalagpas ng 10,000kms sa isang taon)

Ang toyota casa dito sa pilipinas hao siao mga binebenta langis. 20w50 oil para sa altis? Ano yan truck? May barkada ako bago lang nagkakotse at mukhang ginagago sa casa. Sinabihan ko wag na sa casa magpagawa at magbasa sa bob is the oil guy. Ang gamit nya ngayon delo gold ultra at mas tahimik daw engine nya. Yun nga lang element type oil filter eh walang available locally P7454 so napabili sa casa oil filter element type na mukha tissue paper.

So sa threadstarter, kung binobola ka ng casa eh ipakita mo service car manual. Ako nga hindi ko sinunod sinabi honda casa pero nawarranty naman kotse ko nung may recall sa headlights, engine support. Tinatakot lang kayo kesyo hindi mawawarranty pag hindi sinunod yung fully synthetic dapat every 6months.

[Vodka]

Vodka,

Yung sa honda casa na tinutukoy mo every 6months or 10,000kms eh fully synthetic oil ang gamit. If mineral oil every 3months or 3,000 kms ang advise.

Ang mga casa sa pilipinas eh may sales quota kailangan matarget every month. Kaya ang service advisor puro mahal gusto ibenta sa mga consumer. Nung warrranty pa kotse ko sabi ko mineral oil lang ilagay tapos every 6months. Sinabihan ako na keyso ganyan kesyo ganito. Nakasimangot nung sinabi ko mineral pa rin gusto ko. (hindi ako lumalagpas ng 10,000kms sa isang taon)

Ang toyota casa dito sa pilipinas hao siao mga binebenta langis. 20w50 oil para sa altis? Ano yan truck? May barkada ako bago lang nagkakotse at mukhang ginagago sa casa. Sinabihan ko wag na sa casa magpagawa at magbasa sa bob is the oil guy. Ang gamit nya ngayon delo gold ultra at mas tahimik daw engine nya. Yun nga lang element type oil filter eh walang available locally P7454 so napabili sa casa oil filter element type na mukha tissue paper.

So sa threadstarter, kung binobola ka ng casa eh ipakita mo service car manual. Ako nga hindi ko sinunod sinabi honda casa pero nawarranty naman kotse ko nung may recall sa headlights, engine support. Tinatakot lang kayo kesyo hindi mawawarranty pag hindi sinunod yung fully synthetic dapat every 6months.

bro it's 10,000 / 6months using DINO JUICE (non fully synthetic)

[Vodka]

I failed to mention that that figure (and presumably like the one from Toyota Phils.) is already a local adaptation. The GLOBAL standard it seems for oil change interval (for Honda, in this case) can be found here:

Maintenance Schedule for Normal and Severe Conditions - Except European, Australia and New Zealand Models

wow i didn't know that! thanks for the info! so it's actually 1 year, that makes me feel better when i miss my 6month PMS haha

[Vodka]

The 4AFE is different from the 1ZZ and 1ZR engines... this is the deal:





As per my research, a combination of piston rings designed for low sulfur fuel, a lack of piston-cooling and the nature of the Z engines to run hot in traffic causes the sludging. Synthetic helps slow down the breakdown and sludge formation, but it's not a cure. Some US owners report oil consumption of over a liter between intervals.

That's the price you pay for fuel economy.

The new ZR has improved rings and presumably better piston cooling, but Toyota is still sticking to the 5k interval.

For all local manufacturers, you get the 5k interval unless you use synthetic oil. If you want to go 10k, it makes a whole lot of sense to go synthetic, anyway... unless you want to collect engine-sized paperweights.

well toyota still insisted on 5,000 even during the 4afe days...

http://www.toyota-tech.eu/Maintenanc...uris/Final.pdf

that document says 15,000 kms interval for NORMAL

7,500 for SEVERE

for 1ZR engine

i've also tried to read up a little on these engines. i've read reports of them burning too much oil. and the sludging issue. seems like they're not very good engines, no? :D

[Vodka]

Mga tsikoteers, alam nyo ba na sa Toyota Philippines lang ganyan?

Sa ibang bansa, like dito sa Canada, kahit ibang brand okay lang ikaw na lang mag change-oil, as long as you keep the receipt of the things you used (i.e. oil, filter, etc.) para may record ka when you did the oil change. Wala lang akong lugar and hindi ako mechanically-inclined sa makina ng cars kaya hindi ko pa magawa ng ako lang.

OA ang mga nagsasabi na severe driving conditions ang Pinas, eh traffic at init lang naman kalaban nyo jan. Compared dito freezing talaga and may road salt ka pang kalaban tapos nagto-tow pa ng fifth wheel, in addition to the traffic and init kapag summer/spring.

So in the end, yes business model yan ng TOYOTA PH lang, hindi Toyota worldwide. May nagsabi nga saken na yan ang pinakamalaking kita ng toyota - yang maintenance service nila.

Since nasa pinas kayo at wala kayong magagawa kundi sumunod sa 5K rule nila, magpa service na lang at baka magka aberya mahirap na.

Chill out guys!

well as usual, consumers have little rights and protection here in PH

and given that there are so many "willing victims" as evident on this thread this situation isn't gonna change anytime soon

[Vodka]

way back in 2000 when i bought my mitsubishi lancer, i asked the person in charge of handling warranty claims at mitsu q.ave. if i can have the PM done outside the casa. he told me ok lang after the 10k pm as long as the service record is rubber stamped and signed by the service shop (so hindi pwede yung tabi-tabi, dapat reputable din naman) and i keep the receipt including the receipt for the parts used. so ayun sa 15k pm sa labas na ako nagpa-pm. but that was back then, now it is different, they already require casa maintenance. sayang nga din naman yung business.

nowadays my favorite rant is the one against hyundai, or HARI in particular. i bought a 2011 grand starex (my 3rd hyundai) and i was told the warranty and pm schedule is as per normal, 3 years warranty and 5000km/6 months whichever comes first. ok, all good. then after 3 months i was told that because of their 5 year extended warranty i should now have my vehicle serviced every 5000 km/3 months! I protested, i told them i bought my vehicle before that policy came out so i will only avail of the 3 years warranty and follow the 5000km/6months rule. they said NO, 3 months or i lose my warranty. I followed 5000km interval, and each time (5000km, 10,000 km and 15000 km) their service manager would remind me (more like a threat) that i will lose the warranty if i do not bring it in every 3 months. i said "fnck you hari!" and took my business elsewhere. i save at least 50% having my gs serviced at another brand name casa where i bring my own oil and spare parts.

now i have a kia sorento, and it's 5000km/6 months mineral oil or 10,000km/6 months fully synthetic. i can bring my own oil and spare parts from outside vendors and pay only for the labor, no questions asked. i am very satisfied.

i am buying a pick up. i would have loved to have the ford ranger wildtrak, but ford sales sucks big time, asking for DI and forcing their in-house financing with double the interest rate of banks. so i said "fnck you ford!" and took my business to mazda where there is no DI and the in-house financing rate is the same as bank direct financing rates. and i get 3 years/60,000km FREE preventive maintenance including oils and spares. and i say it again, "fnck you ford!"

it all boils down to choices. if you continue to patronize blindly a brand then they will abuse your blind loyalty. so yes, i can sympathise with what the TS is trying to say.

FnCK YOU H.A.R.I.!
FnCK YOU FORD!

i salute you!

this is the proper attitude

yes they will abuse their leadership position unless people start complaining. but i guess that's not gonna happen since people just love getting fncked by these big car companies