Toyota Innova Owners & Discussions [continued 3]

**oj88** · October 3rd, 2016 06:46 PM

From what I gather...

1st Gen Innova uses Toyota ATF Type T-IV.

2nd Gen Innova uses Toyota ATF WS

**CVT** · October 3rd, 2016 07:26 PM

Originally Posted by oj88

From what I gather...

1st Gen Innova uses Toyota ATF Type T-IV.

2nd Gen Innova uses Toyota ATF WS

Thanks bro.

But i don't see how they tie up with an international standard for us to buy one from a third party manufacturer/supplier...

**oj88** · October 3rd, 2016 07:38 PM

Originally Posted by CVT

Thanks bro.

But i don't see how they tie up with an international standard for us to buy one from a third party manufacturer/supplier...

If you can't find a Toyota OEM ATF, just look for a 3rd party ATF that is compatible with Type T-IV.

Just a quick Google.... Here's an excerpt from: Brand: Clearing up confusion over transmission fluid - StarTribune.com

The T-IV automatic transmission fluid meets industry specification JWS3309. Here are several automatic transmission fluids that are listed as suitable for T-IV applications: Valvoline MaxLife Dex/Merc ATF, Mobil 1 Synthetic ATF, Castrol Trans-Max Synthetic ATF, Quaker State Ultimate Synthetic Multi-vehicle ATF, Pennzoil Multi-Vehicle Automatic Transmission Fluid — to name just a few. Mobil ATF 3309 is a JWS3309-spec transmission fluid engineered for this application.

BUT, call me old fashioned but I will never use 3rd-party fluids (ATF, PSF), even if the bottle says it's 'suitable' or 'compatible'.

Also, Toyota ATF T-IV is NOT compatible with A/Ts spec'd for ATF WS and vice versa.

**CVT** · October 3rd, 2016 07:44 PM

Originally Posted by oj88

If you can't find a Toyota OEM ATF, just look for a 3rd party ATF that is compatible with Type T-IV.

Just a quick Google.... Here's an excerpt from: Brand: Clearing up confusion over transmission fluid - StarTribune.com

BUT, call me old fashioned but I will never use 3rd-party fluids (ATF, PSF), even if the bottle says it's 'suitable' or 'compatible'.

Also, Toyota ATF T-IV is NOT compatible with A/Ts spec'd for ATF WS and vice versa.

Am with you on that bro. I am too and will not purchase compatible ones. However, are these available locally?

When you state Gen2, are you referring to the current model? Or the one which came out in 2009?

If the latter, is there a change in the AT and so the requirement for a different ATF? Both are still 4 speed right?

**ptk675** · October 3rd, 2016 08:29 PM

Originally Posted by CVT

I take it that you meant [you stated that this is the first time to do this outside the casa] that the casa has replaced your ATF during your 40KKm PMS with them.

You ask around first bro,- for the availability of an ATF dialysis machine from your gas station/local car shop.

Then, your call whether to drain and refill (about 3L, yes) or dialysis (about 10L), based on your budget and risk appetite. More importantly,- I suggest you buy the ATF from Toyota....[their manual nor their ATF carriers do not state what international standard their ATF is...]

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yes sir. casa maintained up until 60k kms/3 years. since then, PMS has been done in a local shop, but all fluids and filters are still Toyota OEM which i buy from the casa. so first time coming up with the ATF change outside casa, but i'm not sure if dialysis is required, or drain and fill is ok. mine is daily driven with a mix of nlex and city traffic. i drive relatively fast, but don't think it would qualify as "abusive" driving.

if dialysis is required, then i wont mind spending extra rather than scrimping now and worrying about a huge AT repair bill later.

**homhomnova** · October 4th, 2016 12:36 AM

Originally Posted by ptk675

yes sir. casa maintained up until 60k kms/3 years. since then, PMS has been done in a local shop, but all fluids and filters are still Toyota OEM which i buy from the casa. so first time coming up with the ATF change outside casa, but i'm not sure if dialysis is required, or drain and fill is ok. mine is daily driven with a mix of nlex and city traffic. i drive relatively fast, but don't think it would qualify as "abusive" driving.

if dialysis is required, then i wont mind spending extra rather than scrimping now and worrying about a huge AT repair bill later.

Dialysis

Exalta Banawe - 600 labor + 9L ATF
Speedyfix - quoted me 11k
Toyota North Edsa - quoted me 6.9k

But I opted to do drain and refill only since my Innova only clocked 32k odo. 280 labor + 3L ATF.

**StockEngine** · October 4th, 2016 01:49 AM

Drain and fill every year. Why not coconut?

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**antonath** · October 4th, 2016 04:43 AM

Sumabit sa alambre while my mom backing up for parking. Backyard paint repair told na buong pinto daw ang kelangan pinturahan ulit and cost 4k all in na. Kung touch up lang mismo sana pwede na for 4k pero for the whole door eh wag na, sayang ang orig paint. Kung sa casa ito at ipasok sa imsurance, magkano kaya aabutin.

**dr. d** · October 4th, 2016 07:09 AM

Originally Posted by antonath

Sumabit sa alambre while my mom backing up for parking. Backyard paint repair told na buong pinto daw ang kelangan pinturahan ulit and cost 4k all in na. Kung touch up lang mismo sana pwede na for 4k pero for the whole door eh wag na, sayang ang orig paint. Kung sa casa ito at ipasok sa imsurance, magkano kaya aabutin.

insurance will charge you the participation fee. read your insurance contract, sir. the rate varies from one insurance company to another. the industry range is about 2-3K.

**oj88** · October 4th, 2016 07:59 AM

Originally Posted by CVT

Am with you on that bro. I am too and will not purchase compatible ones. However, are these available locally?

When you state Gen2, are you referring to the current model? Or the one which came out in 2009?

If the latter, is there a change in the AT and so the requirement for a different ATF? Both are still 4 speed right?

I believe there are only two generations of the Innova. The 2016 'all-new' model is the 2nd Gen.

From what I've read, the 2nd Gen has a 6-speed A60 transmission while the 1st Gen uses a 4-speed A/T; A340E for Diesel, and A45DE for Gas.