Toyota Innova J gas or diesel?

[markduguran]

actually budget talaga ang concern...inaasahan lang namin ung malaking discount na ibibigay ni bayaw if we plan go for the diesel.....according to him, the new innova will have no price increase..(thats good news!) pero zero discount pa muna.

[F-14]

try this simplified computation re. gas vs. diesel:
i do 1,000 km mileage per month x 12 months = 12,000 km/yr. at 11 km/liter for my D4D. . .

for gas, it's 8 km/liter..

Same "Innova" different variant, 4Kpl difference!

I disagree with this. Comparison seems fair if Kpl are the same.

[ericson21]

tama, alagaan mo lang sa regular PMS tatagal ang diesel or gas. pero mas makakatipid ka talaga sa diesel gaya ng PM ko sayo nung nag message ka TS. :D

sa pagpapa krudo sa di binabaha na gas station, di na ako naniniwala jan. sa pinagpapakargahan ko, maganda na gas station, (dun lang ako nagpapakarga talaga), hinding hindi binabaha, me tubig pa din krudo nila. so gawin mo na lang, replace fuel filter every 15k/10k PMS interval. nagpalit na ako fuel filter nung 15K PMS ko at sa next 25k PMS ko siguro ako magpapalit ulit nun.

kahit solved na ang D4D problems, kung di maalaga sa fuel filter, pwede ka pa din maapektuhan nun. kaya replace it regularly.

[markduguran]

Tama ka sir ericson...mas makakatipid ako sa diesel....

May I ask why do people usually says ......if you plan to use it for lessthan 5 years..better get the diesel...if not go for the gas.....we have not yet experienced any diesel fed vehicle in the family so no idea ako when it comes sa diesel fed vehicle after 10years or more....pero may kapitbahay kame they owned a 1995 toyota tamaraw fx (diesel). it was used everyday untill now....buhay pa naman and hindi pa nagagalaw ung engine...

[SEALANDER]

Matanong ko lang...bakit sinasabi ng iba na "mahirap" mag maintain ng diesel. Ano ba mahirap sa pag change oil, change fuel/air filter, rotate tires, check brakes etc. na ginagawa din sa gas variant as PMS? at pag more than 5 yrs gagamitin huwag diesel. Hindi ba tumatagal mga diesel engines? Eh bakit ung mga PUJ wala nga regular PMS pero tumatakbo pa din.

[KIANTOT]

Matanong ko lang...bakit sinasabi ng iba na "mahirap" mag maintain ng diesel. Ano ba mahirap sa pag change oil, change fuel/air filter, rotate tires, check brakes etc. na ginagawa din sa gas variant as PMS? at pag more than 5 yrs gagamitin huwag diesel. Hindi ba tumatagal mga diesel engines? Eh bakit ung mga PUJ wala nga regular PMS pero tumatakbo pa din.

Yung sinasabi nila na mahirap imaintain yung CRDI, pero ang old school diesel madali imaintain kase sa old diesel engine pagnagkaproblema yung fuel system maraming ordinary calibration shop na available hindi tulad ng sa CRDI bihira pa yun nga lang we will have to wait kung kailan magkaroon ng maraming parts na available kahit saan or dapat magproduce sa atin locally para mas mura, yung PUJ sir hindi pwedeng walang PMS yan, mas madalas pa nga dahil weekly check up yan

[kompressor]

For me, hindi mahirap i-maintain ang CRDI. Napapamahal lang ang maintenance kasi overpriced masyado ang casa pero ang logic ng fuel delivery ng CRDI is same with an EFI gas engine which is dependent on an ECU that receives signals from sensors. Mas ok pa nga ang CRDI kasi wala kang ignition system na aalalahanin unlike a gas engine na both fuel delivery and ignition ang mina-manage ng ECU.

Pareho lang halos sa EFI gas engine na you change oil, change air and fuel filters, have sensors (crank position, AF, O2, etc) cleaned on intervals, change fuel pump pag bumigay (I'm optimistic na magmumura in the long run ang CRDI high pressure fuel pumps just like the first EFI car fuel pumps na napakamahal din dati pero look at them now, dami na murang OEM replacements), minus the HTW's, ignition coils and spark plugs na wala ang diesel. Mas marami lang ang oil na ginagamit ng CRDI coz of the turbo's presence pero bawi mo agad ang operating cost ng additional oil due to fuel cost and km/liter ratio savings.

[SEALANDER]

Yung sinasabi nila na mahirap imaintain yung CRDI, pero ang old school diesel madali imaintain kase sa old diesel engine pagnagkaproblema yung fuel system maraming ordinary calibration shop na available hindi tulad ng sa CRDI bihira pa yun nga lang we will have to wait kung kailan magkaroon ng maraming parts na available kahit saan or dapat magproduce sa atin locally para mas mura, yung PUJ sir hindi pwedeng walang PMS yan, mas madalas pa nga dahil weekly check up yan

Siguro ang issue dito hindi sa MAHIRAP mag maintain kundi mas MAHAL mag maintain. Sa tingin ko kung regular ang PMS hindi na aabot sa calibration. Para sa akin yung mga PUJ's walang regular PMS yan kasi makikita mo sa kalye kung paano nbumuga ng maitim na usok ang mga yan. Para mas maintindihan natin ang mga diesel engine allow me to share this. I'm sure once you've read this you will agree na hindi MAHIRAP mag maintain ng diesel engine:

To understand the problems that you and many other diesel-engine-vehicle owners encounter, we need to take a quick look at how a diesel-fuel system works.

Like any internal-combustion engine, a diesel engine has a tank, a fuel filter, a fuel pump, and a fuel delivery and metering system. In a gasoline engine, the fuel delivery and metering system can be a carburetor or an injector. In diesel engines, it's the injection pump and injectors.

Fuel is stored in the tank, and it travels to the injection pump and injectors after it passes through the fuel filter. What's critical in prolonging the component life of your engine is the fuel filter. Its job is to catch and prevent contaminants from getting to either the injection pump or the injectors. The contaminants include water, microscopic particles and bacteria, which may clog the fuel system over time.

When any of the components gets clogged, you get poor engine performance because there is no longer sufficient fuel getting to the engine.

On the other hand, when orifices inside the fuel metering system wear down, you are getting much more fuel than required. When that happens, you will see black smoke coming out of your tail pipe.

Either way, you need to get to a diesel center to check the condition of your vehicle's injection pump.

This is what happens during calibration: The line to every injector is checked for pressure and flow-rate capacity. They are calibrated to standard specification as required by the engine manufacturer. Anything that is out of spec is rebuilt, reconditioned, and parts are replaced when necessary.

Unfortunately, injectors are often neglected. Why do they need to be replaced? The answer is simple. They are part of the fuel delivery and metering system, and they are subject to a much harsher operating environment compared to the injection pump. If you are not going to check them for flow rate, volume and spray pattern, and if you don't rebuild them as necessary at the same time you have your injection pump calibrated, you're wasting resources and time, particularly when there's a drivability problem with the vehicle.

Recently, fuel companies have been coming out with diesel fuels claiming to offer better performance while being cleaner and less harmful to the environment. To my understanding, these products have been blended with additives that enhance certain properties of the fuel for the engines to run smoother and cleaner. Do note that if the mechanical aspects of the engine mentioned above aren't in proper working order, then fuel can only do so much.

To minimize clogging and contamination I would use a very good fuel filter, choose where I get my fuel and change the fuel filter at a much shorter interval than required by the vehicle manufacturer. It's cheap insurance against a much more costly fuel system failure.

[wilcats]

I highly recommend the D4d. It can pull the Innova effortlessy even with full load. Plus it can get decent fuel consumption figures. Diesel is cheap, but its a lil pricier to maintain. In my opinion is is really worth it. Don't worry about the D4d problems because Toyota has already resolved it with the current models. I can say that it is a perfect engine now. You can never go wrong with it

[Innovajdriver]

Good Day!

Were thingking of having an Innova but were still not decided on what to get. We intend to use it as long as it could serve us..just like our 20 year old corolla....obviously if we are to look at the fuel consumption....diesel will definitely be a good choice ( better FC and diesel fuel is cheaper than gas) but i we are to look in the Maintenance cost (Gas will be a better choice because of maintenance cost and parts)....my father owns a 2003 toyota revo GLX (1.8 efi gas engine) it has already drove morethan 130,000kms and still no problems encountered especially in its engine......i need your advice please.

D4d is expensive plus the maintenance cost. Wont let you save money in the long run. The price of gas and diesel is not much of difference.

I have second hand innova j 2007. Im glad i decide to buy her. These are the factors

1. Fuel consumption is not bad. A good driver knows how and when to accelerate. With diesel the more you shift the more fuel consumption. With gas a light acceleration will let you go. City driving i would say depends on how you accelerate. My innova j can accelerate at 60 km/hr at 4th gear at 1500 rpm. Thats gas. Can diesel do this? Of course not. Try it and you end up stalling your car. So gas innova is still efficient.

2. Maintenance. My J is timing chain built. So no worries at all. Your d4d? If its belt not chain? How much will it cost you for labor to change it?

3. Pick up speed varries on engine power. All normal engines the top speed is 160 to 170 km/hr. Other than that your engine is supercharged. Sa karira 2.0 vs 2.5 or 2.8 talagang talo ang 2.0. Pero sa top speed pareho lang.

4. Gas is for better millage. Most d4d at 100k plus millage tumatagas na. Maitim na usok beyond the normal smoke belch.

5. Diesel unang maoverhall. Ang gas umaarangkada pa rin.

6. Wear and tear issue. Diesel engines parts worn out fast due to high fuel compression. Where as gas as long as you change the oil according to the recommended mileage of the oil brand engine parts are still like new. Mine is still gold in color.

These are just few but important considerations.
I will say go for INNOVA GAS

[dr. d]

D4d is expensive plus the maintenance cost. Wont let you save money in the long run. The price of gas and diesel is not much of difference.

I have second hand innova j 2007. Im glad i decide to buy her. These are the factors

1. Fuel consumption is not bad. A good driver knows how and when to accelerate. With diesel the more you shift the more fuel consumption. With gas a light acceleration will let you go. City driving i would say depends on how you accelerate. My innova j can accelerate at 60 km/hr at 4th gear at 1500 rpm. Thats gas. Can diesel do this? Of course not. Try it and you end up stalling your car. So gas innova is still efficient.

2. Maintenance. My J is timing chain built. So no worries at all. Your d4d? If its belt not chain? How much will it cost you for labor to change it?

3. Pick up speed varries on engine power. All normal engines the top speed is 160 to 170 km/hr. Other than that your engine is supercharged. Sa karira 2.0 vs 2.5 or 2.8 talagang talo ang 2.0. Pero sa top speed pareho lang.

4. Gas is for better millage. Most d4d at 100k plus millage tumatagas na. Maitim na usok beyond the normal smoke belch.

5. Diesel unang maoverhall. Ang gas umaarangkada pa rin.

6. Wear and tear issue. Diesel engines parts worn out fast due to high fuel compression. Where as gas as long as you change the oil according to the recommended mileage of the oil brand engine parts are still like new. Mine is still gold in color.

These are just few but important considerations.
I will say go for INNOVA GAS

i have D4d.

1. my 1000 bucks gives me about 300 km in the city. how many km does 1000 bucks of your gas give you? in km/li, i do about 10 km/li. what's your km/li figure? acceleration and top speed? that's what the transmission stick is for. your fuel figures may be not bad. but mine are better.
2. my timing belt is due for change at 150K. i still have at least 20K to go, and that is for the 2005 model. not bad, for a 12 year old car.
3. top speed? whatever for and where can you do it safely? if i wanted a fast car, i would have gotten a sedan. it will probably be faster than the innova gas. but i'm no slouch, either. average speeds lang.
4. how do you treat your cars? mine is 120K already, with not a bit of tagas, and it does not smoke, either.
5. when do diesels get overhauled? it is how you treat your car, sir.
6. diesels wear out faster than gas? i have heard this many times. i have heard it from the guy having his innova's vvti engine fixed, while i was there because i was buying a replacement light bulb for my D4d. the manufacturer compensates the higher compression and hotter temp, with tougher metals. i have not had anything replaced in the engine, after 120K. and it still drives fine. i don't even have to worry about high tensions and sparking plugs. i use ordinary mineral oil, replaced every 5K. and by virtue of the diesel engine's mode of function, oil does and should get dark. i'd be surprised if it does not.

the only beef i have with diesels, is the pollution stuff. to some, that is enough to shun diesels.

[timtonymanu]

i have D4d.

1. my 1000 bucks gives me about 300 km in the city. how many km does 1000 bucks of your gas give you? in km/li, i do about 10 km/li. what's your km/li figure? acceleration and top speed? that's what the transmission stick is for. your fuel figures may be not bad. but mine are better.
2. my timing belt is due for change at 150K. i still have at least 20K to go, and that is for the 2005 model. not bad, for a 12 year old car.
3. top speed? whatever for and where can you do it safely? if i wanted a fast car, i would have gotten a sedan. it will probably be faster than the innova gas. but i'm no slouch, either. average speeds lang.
4. how do you treat your cars? mine is 120K already, with not a bit of tagas, and it does not smoke, either.
5. when do diesels get overhauled? it is how you treat your car, sir.
6. diesels wear out faster than gas? i have heard this many times. i have heard it from the guy having his innova's vvti engine fixed, while i was there because i was buying a replacement light bulb for my D4d. the manufacturer compensates the higher compression and hotter temp, with tougher metals. i have not had anything replaced in the engine, after 120K. and it still drives fine. i don't even have to worry about high tensions and sparking plugs. i use ordinary mineral oil, replaced every 5K. and by virtue of the diesel engine's mode of function, oil does and should get dark. i'd be surprised if it does not.

the only beef i have with diesels, is the pollution stuff. to some, that is enough to shun diesels.

Agree with you, sir.

The diesel engine is built with tougher and robust materials designed to withstand the higher compression ratio and operating temperature, including the cylinder block, head, pistons and rings, etc.

I actually had a 2001 isuzu crosswind before, even after 330,000 kilometers on the odometer, it still runs perfectly fine, it does not consume oil, as I dont even have to top-up in between oil change intervals. The only maintenance i did to the engine was change oil and filters. Ni hindi nga nabuksan ang makina. The injection pump was overhauled and calibrated at 330,000 kms (before i sold it) since medyo kinakapos na at low idle (namamatay makina pag menor), damage to my wallet was P 4,000.00. Nozzles di pa din napalitan dahil walang usok, pinapalinis ko nga sana sa calibration shop ayaw nila kasi wala naman daw usok at ang ganda pa daw ng acceleration.

Maintenance wise, for me mas matipid pa nga diesel because you dont have to deal with the electricals of the ignition system, though mas madami siya required na engine oil.

Fuel consumption, well,it is pretty much established na mas matipid talaga ang diesel engine.

Now I own a Gen 2 Innova 2.8 diesel. Even I was surprised that the power and refinement of the same is now comparable to a gasoline engine.

[ice15]

Petrol vs Diesel MPV...

Company paid car + fuel - Petrol all the way

Diesel version will be easier to sell later, and will have better FC in traffic

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[moneyp]

Petrol vs Diesel MPV...

Company paid car + fuel - Petrol all the way

Diesel version will be easier to sell later, and will have better FC in traffic

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Do you have a comfortable ride with innova? Is it smooth ba or matagtag kagaya ng hi-ace?

[JJB]

Do you have a comfortable ride with innova? Is it smooth ba or matagtag kagaya ng hi-ace?

Rode once an innova uber, maganda at smooth ride. Almost the same as the old model.
Actually known strength ng innova ang smooth ride for an asian mpv


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[Shutterbug]

For me hindi naman matagtag ang hi ace... bouncy ride lang nga.hehe

Do you have a comfortable ride with innova? Is it smooth ba or matagtag kagaya ng hi-ace?

[dr. d]

compared to the usual sedan, matagtag ang innova.

[MR_BIG18]

compared to the usual sedan, matagtag ang innova.

i was a passenger at the back, there were 4 of us...ok naman doc

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