Toyota Innova E or J?

[homhomnova]

These are the features not found on the E grade:

-Exterior-
Fog lights
side moulding w/ chrome insert
integrated signal lights on side mirrors
chrome door handles
chrome grille
3rd brake light
back sensor
multi-spoke alloy wheels
side skirts
black out window sash
glass printed antenna

-Interior-
Beige interior
moquette fabric seats
Optitron gauges
auto climate control
leather steering wheel & knob
steering audio controls
power mirrors
map lights
sunglasses holder
rear cup holders
keyless entry + alarm

colors for G:

Black, silver, brown, gray, white pearl

Nice!!! All of these for a price difference of 100k..

these made me decide to get the G variant.. and so far very satisfied..

[shibby75]

I liked the beige interior of the G, malamig sa mata, hindi gloomy sa luob.

Hindi naman makalat at madumi mga anak ko sa kotse at konting punas lang every month and my beige is still cleen after 4 years.

[number001]

Wigo and Avanza (all variants) have that rear wiper.

I think the clear omission of the rear wiper on the J serves more as a differentiator (vs. E) rather than a major cost contributor.

[dr. d]

in the 9 years of owning an innova E, i can count with one hand the number of times i actually had to use and appreciate that rear wiper.
what i find really useful, is the power windows and power locks.

when i initially bought the innova in 2005, i was ready to get the J, because it was cheaper. i had planned to have power windows and locks installed aftermarket. but i was advised at that time, that because the model was still new in the market, wala pang banawe aftermarket ng power windows and locks...
so i got the E.. no regrets whatsoever.
like i said, i have never met anyone who confessed, "i bought an E... i should have bought the cheaper J"..

[kyleryner]

Hello Tsikoters

Reviving this old thread in the hopes someone can give me some tips/advice..

Planning to get an Innova.. there is Time Constraint and Budget involved (otherwise I would wait for the new Innova coming 2nd quarter daw this year). But at least the upside of getting an Innova now is they are giving good discounts (40-50K? is this true?)

Ive been reading up on this E vs J thread, thinking if getting the J would be ok and to summarize what Ive read here, the main differences are as follows:

The Innova J have:

* fewer color options - White, Silver, Red.. Im fine with all..but what do you guys think of WHITE?
* No Rear Wiper - I can live with that, we have a Mazda van with rear wipers and I dont even use it.
* No fancy trimmings - Im not particular about a cars exteriors..
* No fancy rims - Havent seen what the Js rims are, how bad could it be? lol.. but I can buy aftermarket..
* Vinyl upholstery - Im gonna put seat covers anyway
* No power locks , windows and alarm? - My passengers rarely ever open the windows anyway.. and ive had headaches with broken power windows in the past that I actually said I miss the rolling windows..lol. Its the power locks and alarm that I'll miss... but I can install after market right? Will I be voiding the warranty, though?

Did I cover everything?

Bottomline, Engine performance, Ride and comfort and safety features are the same as the E or even the G, correct?

Next question... is the GAS version ok over the Diesel version? Aside from the obvious fuel savings..(esp now that Diesel is really low), hows the Fuel economy, performance and maintenance of the Gas vs Diesel?

I called my dealer already, and as if to really make me decide on the J more, he says the only available E unit he has is Diesel, AT... so price is 1.08 M. He says there are no more Gas units of E being made now.. is this true? He did say he MIGHT be able to get a J unit, Gas M/T.. price is 852K...

So to sum up: Is the Innova J GAS unit a good buy? With the discounts, might be a little bit over 800K only... or should I try to look for an Innova J DIESEL unit.. also, I drive both Manual and A/T , is there anything particular about the Manual vs A/T features of the Innova I need to know?

And lastly.. while I seem to be ok with choosing the J (after reading my own posts, sounds like im convincing myself more than you guys..lol) , Im still open for arguments why I should still pick the E though... feel free to convince me..

Thanks.. hope someone can share their expertise here..

[Lew_Alcindor]

1.08M for an E variant? wow how prices have soared. Three years ago, we got the G variant. Price was 1.1M then. We managed to get a total of almost 100K less cash out (combination of cash discount, free LTO, free insurance, etc) so we got our G unit for 1M.

back to your situation, what is your absolute budget limit?

if you ask me, go for the E variant. power windows and locks is a must whether your are alone or with passengers. bad trip yung utos ka ng utos na isara ang bintana tapos hindi ka naririnig hahaha.

rear windshield wiper is quite useful to me. maybe it depends on the driver.

both will smell plastic when, afaik. yung ang advantage ng G. mas mabango plastic hahaha

[antonath]

We're just in the same situation few weeks ago. Until i decided to get the E variant. Mas sulit sa features esp the all power windows at central locking. Now find the best dealer who can give alot of freebies and discounts. Just be aware lang sa toyota shaw, medyo madugas mga taO dyan,.

[kyleryner]

Thanks for the inputs guys!

1.08M for an E variant? wow how prices have soared. Three years ago, we got the G variant. Price was 1.1M then. We managed to get a total of almost 100K less cash out (combination of cash discount, free LTO, free insurance, etc) so we got our G unit for 1M.

back to your situation, what is your absolute budget limit?

if you ask me, go for the E variant. power windows and locks is a must whether your are alone or with passengers. bad trip yung utos ka ng utos na isara ang bintana tapos hindi ka naririnig hahaha.

rear windshield wiper is quite useful to me. maybe it depends on the driver.

both will smell plastic when, afaik. yung ang advantage ng G. mas mabango plastic hahaha

if you have money to burn, i recommend you get the most expensive that you are willing to buy. that way, there won't be any second-guessing on whether you should have gotten the more expensive one or not.
if you have no money to burn, then you have no other choice than to get the cheaper one..

The G variant now is as much as 1.208 M for the Diesel AT model.. vs 852K for the entry level J-Gas.

My absolute budget limit? hmm, I just realized, 1 M is my psychological barrier.. I dont want to think I spent 1M on a vehicle.. lol.. (which probably in a few more years would be unavoidable already.. )

And no, I dont have money to burn... (if Only...) Otherwise I'd love to get the G variant... you know what I love most about that unit? I just want to have Audio controls on my steering wheel...lol (mababaw lang ako..hehe). I actually went to a bank's automart (2nd hand vehicles), found an Innova G Diesel Manual with only 5K mileage. Went there with my mechanic and its in pristine condition. Made a bid offer of their maximum Selling price at 820K.. cheaper than a J! Waited for a few weeks to see if my bid will be accepted but someone else got it (lined up daw...sayang...)

We're just in the same situation few weeks ago. Until i decided to get the E variant. Mas sulit sa features esp the all power windows at central locking. Now find the best dealer who can give alot of freebies and discounts. Just be aware lang sa toyota shaw, medyo madugas mga taO dyan,.

May I ask what variant E did you get? (Gas/Diesel, Manual/AT)? And how do you find its performance/FC?

Im willing to consider E Gas/Manual..(967K), but as I said in my first post, I was told they dont make them anymore (daw), Available for now is an E Diesel/AT (1.087M) so thats 120K diff from the 2 E variants, and 235 K diff with the J... so the question Im asking myself is, is the additional 120K (Unit not available for now) or 235K (Available) worth it for me just to get the POWER LOCKS and WINDOWS feature that is the most significant feature? (the other features I really dont mind not having)

Actually my wife is not too keen on getting the J... I suspect bec she is gonna be embarrassed by having guests use the rolling windows.. so its more of a Pride thing than actual Own Practical use... hehe

Will try to look for an E Gas if its still available.. best compromise for the budget/features..

Ultimately, Dr D is right..wouldn't want to find myself regretting not getting a higher model...

[dr. d]

Thanks for the inputs guys!






The G variant now is as much as 1.208 M for the Diesel AT model.. vs 852K for the entry level J-Gas.

My absolute budget limit? hmm, I just realized, 1 M is my psychological barrier.. I dont want to think I spent 1M on a vehicle.. lol.. (which probably in a few more years would be unavoidable already.. )

And no, I dont have money to burn... (if Only...) Otherwise I'd love to get the G variant... you know what I love most about that unit? I just want to have Audio controls on my steering wheel...lol (mababaw lang ako..hehe). I actually went to a bank's automart (2nd hand vehicles), found an Innova G Diesel Manual with only 5K mileage. Went there with my mechanic and its in pristine condition. Made a bid offer of their maximum Selling price at 820K.. cheaper than a J! Waited for a few weeks to see if my bid will be accepted but someone else got it (lined up daw...sayang...)





May I ask what variant E did you get? (Gas/Diesel, Manual/AT)? And how do you find its performance/FC?

Im willing to consider E Gas/Manual..(967K), but as I said in my first post, I was told they dont make them anymore (daw), Available for now is an E Diesel/AT (1.087M) so thats 120K diff from the 2 E variants, and 235 K diff with the J... so the question Im asking myself is, is the additional 120K (Unit not available for now) or 235K (Available) worth it for me just to get the POWER LOCKS and WINDOWS feature that is the most significant feature? (the other features I really dont mind not having)

Actually my wife is not too keen on getting the J... I suspect bec she is gonna be embarrassed by having guests use the rolling windows.. so its more of a Pride thing than actual Own Practical use... hehe

Will try to look for an E Gas if its still available.. best compromise for the budget/features..

Ultimately, Dr D is right..wouldn't want to find myself regretting not getting a higher model...

if my gf balks at manual window rolling... dispatsiya ko na siya! ...early signs of high maintenance..
but as she's already your wife... sorikanalang.. heh heh.

as i have mentioned in the past.. power windows and locks are non-negotiables for me.. i had small children then.
but all it takes, is one rainy night in the open parking lot in the mall, with both hands heavy with goods... you will wish you had power locks and keyless.. E variant then! (the E's keyless is aftersales, from casa.)

gas? how many km/liter does the gas do? my diesel MT gives me at least 10 km/liter.. but yesss... it is sometimes a psychological thing, even as user can easily afford the price difference...

[antonath]

Thanks for the inputs guys!






The G variant now is as much as 1.208 M for the Diesel AT model.. vs 852K for the entry level J-Gas.

My absolute budget limit? hmm, I just realized, 1 M is my psychological barrier.. I dont want to think I spent 1M on a vehicle.. lol.. (which probably in a few more years would be unavoidable already.. )

And no, I dont have money to burn... (if Only...) Otherwise I'd love to get the G variant... you know what I love most about that unit? I just want to have Audio controls on my steering wheel...lol (mababaw lang ako..hehe). I actually went to a bank's automart (2nd hand vehicles), found an Innova G Diesel Manual with only 5K mileage. Went there with my mechanic and its in pristine condition. Made a bid offer of their maximum Selling price at 820K.. cheaper than a J! Waited for a few weeks to see if my bid will be accepted but someone else got it (lined up daw...sayang...)





May I ask what variant E did you get? (Gas/Diesel, Manual/AT)? And how do you find its performance/FC?

Im willing to consider E Gas/Manual..(967K), but as I said in my first post, I was told they dont make them anymore (daw), Available for now is an E Diesel/AT (1.087M) so thats 120K diff from the 2 E variants, and 235 K diff with the J... so the question Im asking myself is, is the additional 120K (Unit not available for now) or 235K (Available) worth it for me just to get the POWER LOCKS and WINDOWS feature that is the most significant feature? (the other features I really dont mind not having)

Actually my wife is not too keen on getting the J... I suspect bec she is gonna be embarrassed by having guests use the rolling windows.. so its more of a Pride thing than actual Own Practical use... hehe

Will try to look for an E Gas if its still available.. best compromise for the budget/features..

Ultimately, Dr D is right..wouldn't want to find myself regretting not getting a higher model...

Its an E Diesel AT sir. Cant tell the FC as it used on province(zambales) so less traffic. Daily travel of 50kms. My mother said na mas ok daw yun arangkada kesa sa subic fm namin or maybe she just happy on driving a newer vehicle.

[kyleryner]

Just to give an update on my final choice.. (since I "revived" this thread )

We ended up getting the Innova J Gas Manual. White color. (I said color didn't matter so much, but when I saw it, I would have preferred Red or even silver--even if i already have a silver Accent, but there is only this 1 remaining unit available)

I would have also considered an Innova J Diesel, or an Innova E Gas Manual (my maximum self imposed limit), but the only other available units are the E Diesel (MT and AT).

I asked their parts and accessories.. they can install Central Lock and Keyless, and also Power Windows on all 4 windows (Shark).

Price as follows:

Power Windows Installation - 28,224 (I saw an online ad for this, 8 to 10K only ..a whopping 20,000 markup!! But this is the price to pay to have the warranty intact..) I did see some of the online pics and they looked decent enough so hopefully the Casa Install would be even more professional looking.

Alarm and Central Locks/Keyless entry - 10,236 (vs 6,272 for installation of Alarm/keyless on the Innova E.. so basically you just add 4,000 for the central locking)

To add 2 speakers at the rear seats (since J only has 2 speakers vs 4 speakers on the E ): 8,000++!!! Too much! I asked my SA if I can have it installed outside , as expected she said No..will void the warranty of the "Electricals" . But then I spoke with her Supervisor and HE said, its ok -- will void the warranty of the radio/speakers only (if so might as well replace the whole head unit...besides , when was the last time you've heard of a stereo/speakers needing warranty repairs? )

Well that's it.. hopefully I wont regret choosing this entry level Innova (to tell you the truth, its more of the White color that Im having 2nd thoughts of). Ever since we decided to get one, Ive been scouting the streets for Innovas (which I never bothered to do before) and I just REALIZED... THEY. ARE. EVERYWHERE! So I see the G, E and J variants and they dont look much different on the outside..

Thanks to everyone who posted their comments and suggestions... see you guys on the road!!

[jut703]

Looks like you've made your purchase already. But in case you haven't, I'd share my 2 cents:

1. How many dealers did you ask? I find it difficult to believe that there are no more E gas MTs in any Toyota dealer nationwide. If you look hard enough, you can find the particular unit, variant, and color that you like the most. I went to 3 dealers before going back to my original dealership before I got my car (black Altis G MT). My dealer didn't have them when I first inquired, but 3 weeks after, they were given an additional allocation of units by the plant.

2. Why gas? I've driven both the gas and diesel Innova, and the diesel is the better engine, hands down. The diesel has no problem hauling 8 people on an uphill. Very linear powerband, with good torque at any speed under 140 kph. Yes, it loses steam after 140 kph (the gas has a higher top speed), but you don't buy an Innova to push to 180 anyway. Refinement of the two engines aren't too far apart - the 2.0 gas is rather rough for a gas engine, while the 2.5 D4D is a smooth diesel.

Also, the diesel is obviously more economical (9 km/L vs 7 km/L in moderate to heavy city driving). Considering the price of fuel today (20/L for diesel and 35/L for gas) which is expected to stay for the next 2-3 years, the diesel easily offsets its higher cost.

There's a price difference of 55k for the diesel vs. gas. Assuming you travel 15,000 km a year, with the aforementioned gas prices and fuel mileage, the diesel will save you 42k per year. So in just a little over a year, you'd have saved the difference in cost already. Let's not forget that the diesel is a better engine overall.

Resale value of the diesel will also be higher than the gas variant, perhaps even more than the 55k SRP difference.

3. A white Innova J screams airport taxi, but if you're not affected by that, then the crappy steel rims and bare trims won't bother you as well.

4. As you've noted, the power features are an expensive aftermarket add-on, and aren't expected to be as reliable in the long-run compared to factory-installed power windows and door locks.

I'd say the best choice would be the E MT diesel. Though for someone like you who isn't very particular with the features, even the J diesel is a good choice.

In any case, if you've bought the J gas already, I hope you enjoy your purchase. [emoji4]


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[chito2011]

Looks like you've made your purchase already. But in case you haven't, I'd share my 2 cents:

1. How many dealers did you ask? I find it difficult to believe that there are no more E gas MTs in any Toyota dealer nationwide. If you look hard enough, you can find the particular unit, variant, and color that you like the most. I went to 3 dealers before going back to my original dealership before I got my car (black Altis G MT). My dealer didn't have them when I first inquired, but 3 weeks after, they were given an additional allocation of units by the plant.

2. Why gas? I've driven both the gas and diesel Innova, and the diesel is the better engine, hands down. The diesel has no problem hauling 8 people on an uphill. Very linear powerband, with good torque at any speed under 140 kph. Yes, it loses steam after 140 kph (the gas has a higher top speed), but you don't buy an Innova to push to 180 anyway. Refinement of the two engines aren't too far apart - the 2.0 gas is rather rough for a gas engine, while the 2.5 D4D is a smooth diesel.

Also, the diesel is obviously more economical (9 km/L vs 7 km/L in moderate to heavy city driving). Considering the price of fuel today (20/L for diesel and 35/L for gas) which is expected to stay for the next 2-3 years, the diesel easily offsets its higher cost.

There's a price difference of 55k for the diesel vs. gas. Assuming you travel 15,000 km a year, with the aforementioned gas prices and fuel mileage, the diesel will save you 42k per year. So in just a little over a year, you'd have saved the difference in cost already. Let's not forget that the diesel is a better engine overall.

Resale value of the diesel will also be higher than the gas variant, perhaps even more than the 55k SRP difference.

3. A white Innova J screams airport taxi, but if you're not affected by that, then the crappy steel rims and bare trims won't bother you as well.

4. As you've noted, the power features are an expensive aftermarket add-on, and aren't expected to be as reliable in the long-run compared to factory-installed power windows and door locks.

I'd say the best choice would be the E MT diesel. Though for someone like you who isn't very particular with the features, even the J diesel is a good choice.

In any case, if you've bought the J gas already, I hope you enjoy your purchase. [emoji4]


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+1

Unfortunately, he already made the decision to buy the gas variant he he he

[kyleryner]

Looks like you've made your purchase already. But in case you haven't, I'd share my 2 cents:

1. How many dealers did you ask? I find it difficult to believe that there are no more E gas MTs in any Toyota dealer nationwide. If you look hard enough, you can find the particular unit, variant, and color that you like the most. I went to 3 dealers before going back to my original dealership before I got my car (black Altis G MT). My dealer didn't have them when I first inquired, but 3 weeks after, they were given an additional allocation of units by the plant.

2. Why gas? I've driven both the gas and diesel Innova, and the diesel is the better engine, hands down. The diesel has no problem hauling 8 people on an uphill. Very linear powerband, with good torque at any speed under 140 kph. Yes, it loses steam after 140 kph (the gas has a higher top speed), but you don't buy an Innova to push to 180 anyway. Refinement of the two engines aren't too far apart - the 2.0 gas is rather rough for a gas engine, while the 2.5 D4D is a smooth diesel.

Also, the diesel is obviously more economical (9 km/L vs 7 km/L in moderate to heavy city driving). Considering the price of fuel today (20/L for diesel and 35/L for gas) which is expected to stay for the next 2-3 years, the diesel easily offsets its higher cost.

There's a price difference of 55k for the diesel vs. gas. Assuming you travel 15,000 km a year, with the aforementioned gas prices and fuel mileage, the diesel will save you 42k per year. So in just a little over a year, you'd have saved the difference in cost already. Let's not forget that the diesel is a better engine overall.

Resale value of the diesel will also be higher than the gas variant, perhaps even more than the 55k SRP difference.

3. A white Innova J screams airport taxi, but if you're not affected by that, then the crappy steel rims and bare trims won't bother you as well.

4. As you've noted, the power features are an expensive aftermarket add-on, and aren't expected to be as reliable in the long-run compared to factory-installed power windows and door locks.

I'd say the best choice would be the E MT diesel. Though for someone like you who isn't very particular with the features, even the J diesel is a good choice.

In any case, if you've bought the J gas already, I hope you enjoy your purchase. [emoji4]


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+1

Unfortunately, he already made the decision to buy the gas variant he he he

Hey guys, Got our Innova J Gas this Feb 13... just in time for a Valentine's Day Road Trip the next day...hehe (although we didnt push thru Tagaytay as originally intended, Traffic was horrendous! Went to Nuvali na lang and did leisurely drive around the area and took the backroute out... for a much more pleasant and relaxing drive home..

Anyway just to reply to some of the comments ..

1. We can only get from 3 accredited Toyota dealers..its a company car plan (company pays half of a set limit, we pay the excess..). And all 3 have the E diesel AT, but only one has a J. After picking up the unit, I was told by the agent that this is probably the last among the Gas units being released by Toyota already, since they are phasing out this series soon. (dont know if its true though)

2. I would have considered a J Diesel, but again ..see #1. Pus there was a Time Limit involved in our purchase... (otherwise I would have waited indefinitely for the 2nd Gen Innova to come out). Also I have to admit Ive never driven a Diesel engine before, and I read some issues about it before.. WHICH I UNDERSTAND is already outdated info and probably fixed by now). In any case, i dont worry too much on the fuel savings.. my Accent is about to turn 5 years old and it just passed the 30K mileage..and I dont think ill use the Innova for a daily driver.. I do kinda feel Im missing out n the Power though

3 and 4) . The White color is kinda growing on me. Didnt want another silver Car,and already had red cars before, but ive never had a white car yet. Hoping it doesnt get too dirty looking all the time (and Im lazy in washing my cars regularly pa naman... lol)

The bare trims and steel rims dont bother me at all. Ive seen all sorts of Innovas on the road..Ive seen Innova Js with chrome and spoilers.. hehe, Bare Gs, etc.

Already installed Power windows , locks and alarm (with the discount we got from the list price, its like it came free )

What I find almost comical is aside from the power options, trims and rear wiper, some of the "missing" options are so minor, its laughable that they even took it out. Like, the Vanity mirror in the passenger side.. seriously, how much does a piece of mirror cost? lol. (Anyway, Easy to buy one in Ace Hadrware that comes with CD wallet etc). Rear ashtray isnt included (no one smokes among us) etc.

What I find as a "pleasant" surprise is the radio.. accdg to the Innova flyer , the diff between E and J is that E has USB input, J does not (it didnt list USB as a feature). But turns out it has one. (it might be a very small detail, but I got happy with that..mababaw lang ako...hehe)

So I would say that yes, the 112K savings I got from buying a J instead of an E was worth it.

Important thing is that when Im driving it, the ride and comfort of me and my passengers is the same as if we're riding an Innova G


Anyway, just sharing my thought process in making the purchasing decision... and as you said, Im just enjoying it!

Hmmm now since this generation of Innova is about to end... I wonder what the future threads will be like for the 2nd Gen Innova G vs E vs J....

[cast_no_shadow]

As they say. To each his own.

Enjoy your ride sir!

What is important is masaya ka.


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[learner_til_end]

Hey guys, Ive read the last few pages of this thread. I'm planning to get a second hand Innova. Can you please enlighten me which particular year would be a "good buy". And also, I'm almost decided already to get the E M/T DSL variant.

Please help me in deciding.

Thanks in advance.

[Walter]

Check 2012-2013 Toyota Innova E models ...

[GTi]

Hey guys, Ive read the last few pages of this thread. I'm planning to get a second hand Innova. Can you please enlighten me which particular year would be a "good buy". And also, I'm almost decided already to get the E M/T DSL variant.

Please help me in deciding.

Thanks in advance.

Get the newest unit you can get with your budget. How much is the budget by the way? I see that you already have a preference. The E is good enough for me. It has all the required bare essentials (for me) like power amenities, alloy wheels and the rear wiper. Newer units have airbags and ABS too IIRC. The rest can be easily added in accessories shops in Banawe or Araneta. I also prefer the E's grey interior over the easily soiled beige interior in the G and V variants.

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[learner_til_end]

Get the newest unit you can get with your budget. How much is the budget by the way? I see that you already have a preference. The E is good enough for me. It has all the required bare essentials (for me) like power amenities, alloy wheels and the rear wiper. Newer units have airbags and ABS too IIRC. The rest can be easily added in accessories shops in Banawe or Araneta. I also prefer the E's grey interior over the easily soiled beige interior in the G and V variants.

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Hello, thanks for your response. Budget is around 500K. Not sure what particular year or at least year would be a 'good buy' considering the enhancements each year (which I am not knowledgeable of) like the differences and upgrades between E and J.

Also, can someone please give me some tips regarding a checklist to consider when checking used Innovas?

Thanks.

[hunnie08]

With the new Innova, anong mas okay E or J?

Hubby wants E ako naman ok na ko sa J.

mags, panel design at fog lights lang daw ang naiba sabi ni agents. Or merong mas importante na meron sa E na wala sa J?